(04-11-2024 05:40 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 04:35 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 03:51 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 03:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  UNC - 50+


FSU - 11?

Exactly, I guess he didn't bother to check the difference in total national championships between FSU and UNC. Hell, since he added Clemson, he can combine the two and still fall short. That total isn't close to Carolina Women's soccer let alone UNC's athletic department.

And this is the issue that got us to where we are today - prioritization of football. Clemson's first and foremost priority is football championships. We like championships in other sports for sure but those sports are all of secondary importance to Clemson when compared to football. For example, Clemson has 4 men's soccer championships and has had an above average soccer program for many years yet they (Clemson) are willing to join the SEC due to football even though the SEC doesn't even sponsor soccer. So, it is a matter of what each school prioritizes and for Clemson, football is king. Congratulations to UNC on their 50+ championships ........ Clemson would like to have that number of championships but in all honesty, they would never trade their 3 football national championships for those 50+ championships. UNC has their athletic priorities and Clemson has theirs ......... to each their own!

Do you prioritize football championships by playing 5-6 games against schools with equal or better money and talent or do you do better by playing just 2-3 such games a year?

In basketball terms, it’s the difference between making the NCAAT and winning it. A 1 bid league is just excited to be there, but no realistic shot at winning the whole thing.

What you’re trying to sell is basically the same thing, but for football.

No it’s not. Clemson has made less than the SEC and the Big Ten for years, and still competed for championships. Please explain.


Once again, the ESPN check has absolutely nothing to do with NIL. In fact, that would be illegal. So please tell me how this isn’t just the universities coveting thy neighbor’s media check? A healthy NIL collective is the name of the game, and once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with the ESPN check.

This is just universities that are making more than they ever have in their athletic department’s history being flat out greedy.

(04-11-2024 06:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 05:40 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 04:35 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 03:51 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  Exactly, I guess he didn't bother to check the difference in total national championships between FSU and UNC. Hell, since he added Clemson, he can combine the two and still fall short. That total isn't close to Carolina Women's soccer let alone UNC's athletic department.

And this is the issue that got us to where we are today - prioritization of football. Clemson's first and foremost priority is football championships. We like championships in other sports for sure but those sports are all of secondary importance to Clemson when compared to football. For example, Clemson has 4 men's soccer championships and has had an above average soccer program for many years yet they (Clemson) are willing to join the SEC due to football even though the SEC doesn't even sponsor soccer. So, it is a matter of what each school prioritizes and for Clemson, football is king. Congratulations to UNC on their 50+ championships ........ Clemson would like to have that number of championships but in all honesty, they would never trade their 3 football national championships for those 50+ championships. UNC has their athletic priorities and Clemson has theirs ......... to each their own!

Do you prioritize football championships by playing 5-6 games against schools with equal or better money and talent or do you do better by playing just 2-3 such games a year?

In basketball terms, it’s the difference between making the NCAAT and winning it. A 1 bid league is just excited to be there, but no realistic shot at winning the whole thing.

What you’re trying to sell is basically the same thing, but for football.

No it’s not. Clemson has made less than the SEC and the Big Ten for years, and still competed for championships. Please explain.

I won't be casting any more of my pearls. You seem to be convinced that less money is better and gives you some kind of advantage, even if that were true, the B1G and SEC are dictating the playoff rules and FSU and Clemson want to be a part of that.

(04-11-2024 06:41 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 06:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 05:40 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 04:35 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  And this is the issue that got us to where we are today - prioritization of football. Clemson's first and foremost priority is football championships. We like championships in other sports for sure but those sports are all of secondary importance to Clemson when compared to football. For example, Clemson has 4 men's soccer championships and has had an above average soccer program for many years yet they (Clemson) are willing to join the SEC due to football even though the SEC doesn't even sponsor soccer. So, it is a matter of what each school prioritizes and for Clemson, football is king. Congratulations to UNC on their 50+ championships ........ Clemson would like to have that number of championships but in all honesty, they would never trade their 3 football national championships for those 50+ championships. UNC has their athletic priorities and Clemson has theirs ......... to each their own!

Do you prioritize football championships by playing 5-6 games against schools with equal or better money and talent or do you do better by playing just 2-3 such games a year?

In basketball terms, it’s the difference between making the NCAAT and winning it. A 1 bid league is just excited to be there, but no realistic shot at winning the whole thing.

What you’re trying to sell is basically the same thing, but for football.

No it’s not. Clemson has made less than the SEC and the Big Ten for years, and still competed for championships. Please explain.

I won't be casting any more of my pearls. You seem to be convinced that less money is better and gives you some kind of advantage, even if that were true, the B1G and SEC are dictating the playoff rules and FSU and Clemson want to be a part of that.

Praise the LORD!

(04-11-2024 06:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 05:40 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 04:35 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 03:51 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  Exactly, I guess he didn't bother to check the difference in total national championships between FSU and UNC. Hell, since he added Clemson, he can combine the two and still fall short. That total isn't close to Carolina Women's soccer let alone UNC's athletic department.

And this is the issue that got us to where we are today - prioritization of football. Clemson's first and foremost priority is football championships. We like championships in other sports for sure but those sports are all of secondary importance to Clemson when compared to football. For example, Clemson has 4 men's soccer championships and has had an above average soccer program for many years yet they (Clemson) are willing to join the SEC due to football even though the SEC doesn't even sponsor soccer. So, it is a matter of what each school prioritizes and for Clemson, football is king. Congratulations to UNC on their 50+ championships ........ Clemson would like to have that number of championships but in all honesty, they would never trade their 3 football national championships for those 50+ championships. UNC has their athletic priorities and Clemson has theirs ......... to each their own!

Do you prioritize football championships by playing 5-6 games against schools with equal or better money and talent or do you do better by playing just 2-3 such games a year?

In basketball terms, it’s the difference between making the NCAAT and winning it. A 1 bid league is just excited to be there, but no realistic shot at winning the whole thing.

What you’re trying to sell is basically the same thing, but for football.

No it’s not. Clemson has made less than the SEC and the Big Ten for years, and still competed for championships. Please explain.


Once again, the ESPN check has absolutely nothing to do with NIL. In fact, that would be illegal. So please tell me how this isn’t just the universities coveting thy neighbor’s media check? A healthy NIL collective is the name of the game, and once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with the ESPN check.

This is just universities that are making more than they ever have in their athletic department’s history being flat out greedy.

Greedy?? Maybe. For whatever reason(s), the Clemson administration and athletic department have decided that the ACC is no longer the best long term home for Clemson athletics and specifically for football. As an ACC charter member, this is a decision that I am sure was not made lightly by the Clemson leadership. Assuming that Clemson does in fact leave the ACC, only time will tell if this decision was a good one or not.

(04-10-2024 11:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 04:35 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 03:51 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 03:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 02:38 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  ACC mindset - winning the conference is the prize.

FSU/Clemson mindset - winning the national championship is the prize.

UNC - 50+


FSU - 11?

Exactly, I guess he didn't bother to check the difference in total national championships between FSU and UNC. Hell, since he added Clemson, he can combine the two and still fall short. That total isn't close to Carolina Women's soccer let alone UNC's athletic department.

And this is the issue that got us to where we are today - prioritization of football. Clemson's first and foremost priority is football championships. We like championships in other sports for sure but those sports are all of secondary importance to Clemson when compared to football. For example, Clemson has 4 men's soccer championships and has had an above average soccer program for many years yet they (Clemson) are willing to join the SEC due to football even though the SEC doesn't even sponsor soccer. So, it is a matter of what each school prioritizes and for Clemson, football is king. Congratulations to UNC on their 50+ championships ........ Clemson would like to have that number of championships but in all honesty, they would never trade their 3 football national championships for those 50+ championships. UNC has their athletic priorities and Clemson has theirs ......... to each their own!

Do you prioritize football championships by playing 5-6 games against schools with equal or better money and talent or do you do better by playing just 2-3 such games a year?

Why risk 2 or 3? Why not just one? I mean look at all those titles Boise State won amirite? And we can all see how playing a soft schedule has brought home natty after natty for Gonzaga.

You may pick up additional losses playing in the SEC, but you can still make the playoff easily with losses in the SEC. And you're better tested and more proven.

Or are you going to also tell us NC State MBB's team would have done a lot better playing third fiddle in the WCC then getting blitzed in the NCAAT?

(04-11-2024 06:41 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 06:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 05:40 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 04:35 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  And this is the issue that got us to where we are today - prioritization of football. Clemson's first and foremost priority is football championships. We like championships in other sports for sure but those sports are all of secondary importance to Clemson when compared to football. For example, Clemson has 4 men's soccer championships and has had an above average soccer program for many years yet they (Clemson) are willing to join the SEC due to football even though the SEC doesn't even sponsor soccer. So, it is a matter of what each school prioritizes and for Clemson, football is king. Congratulations to UNC on their 50+ championships ........ Clemson would like to have that number of championships but in all honesty, they would never trade their 3 football national championships for those 50+ championships. UNC has their athletic priorities and Clemson has theirs ......... to each their own!

Do you prioritize football championships by playing 5-6 games against schools with equal or better money and talent or do you do better by playing just 2-3 such games a year?

In basketball terms, it’s the difference between making the NCAAT and winning it. A 1 bid league is just excited to be there, but no realistic shot at winning the whole thing.

What you’re trying to sell is basically the same thing, but for football.

No it’s not. Clemson has made less than the SEC and the Big Ten for years, and still competed for championships. Please explain.

I won't be casting any more of my pearls. You seem to be convinced that less money is better and gives you some kind of advantage, even if that were true, the B1G and SEC are dictating the playoff rules and FSU and Clemson want to be a part of that.

No, I just believe the media deal ≠ guaranteed football success. Why? Because it hasn't in the past.

Some of these schools are going to blow that overhead money so fast it won't even be relevant, plus it costs much, much more to play in the SEC or Big Ten.

Does the overhead really end up netting more at the end of the day? I haven't seen anything saying so. They make more, they spend more. They have a harder path to the playoff. IDK, doesn't add up to me. Seems more like itchy trigger finger panic than anything else.

(04-11-2024 10:22 AM)PAW79 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 06:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 05:40 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 04:35 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  And this is the issue that got us to where we are today - prioritization of football. Clemson's first and foremost priority is football championships. We like championships in other sports for sure but those sports are all of secondary importance to Clemson when compared to football. For example, Clemson has 4 men's soccer championships and has had an above average soccer program for many years yet they (Clemson) are willing to join the SEC due to football even though the SEC doesn't even sponsor soccer. So, it is a matter of what each school prioritizes and for Clemson, football is king. Congratulations to UNC on their 50+ championships ........ Clemson would like to have that number of championships but in all honesty, they would never trade their 3 football national championships for those 50+ championships. UNC has their athletic priorities and Clemson has theirs ......... to each their own!

Do you prioritize football championships by playing 5-6 games against schools with equal or better money and talent or do you do better by playing just 2-3 such games a year?

In basketball terms, it’s the difference between making the NCAAT and winning it. A 1 bid league is just excited to be there, but no realistic shot at winning the whole thing.

What you’re trying to sell is basically the same thing, but for football.

No it’s not. Clemson has made less than the SEC and the Big Ten for years, and still competed for championships. Please explain.


Once again, the ESPN check has absolutely nothing to do with NIL. In fact, that would be illegal. So please tell me how this isn’t just the universities coveting thy neighbor’s media check? A healthy NIL collective is the name of the game, and once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with the ESPN check.

This is just universities that are making more than they ever have in their athletic department’s history being flat out greedy.

Greedy?? Maybe. For whatever reason(s), the Clemson administration and athletic department have decided that the ACC is no longer the best long term home for Clemson athletics and specifically for football. As an ACC charter member, this is a decision that I am sure was not made lightly by the Clemson leadership. Assuming that Clemson does in fact leave the ACC, only time will tell if this decision was a good one or not.

ACTUALLY....


No they haven't. They decided they want to sue the conference to invalidate the GOR. They haven't withdrawn from the conference, but are free to do so at any time.

(04-12-2024 08:35 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 10:22 AM)PAW79 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 06:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 05:40 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Do you prioritize football championships by playing 5-6 games against schools with equal or better money and talent or do you do better by playing just 2-3 such games a year?

In basketball terms, it’s the difference between making the NCAAT and winning it. A 1 bid league is just excited to be there, but no realistic shot at winning the whole thing.

What you’re trying to sell is basically the same thing, but for football.

No it’s not. Clemson has made less than the SEC and the Big Ten for years, and still competed for championships. Please explain.


Once again, the ESPN check has absolutely nothing to do with NIL. In fact, that would be illegal. So please tell me how this isn’t just the universities coveting thy neighbor’s media check? A healthy NIL collective is the name of the game, and once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with the ESPN check.

This is just universities that are making more than they ever have in their athletic department’s history being flat out greedy.

Greedy?? Maybe. For whatever reason(s), the Clemson administration and athletic department have decided that the ACC is no longer the best long term home for Clemson athletics and specifically for football. As an ACC charter member, this is a decision that I am sure was not made lightly by the Clemson leadership. Assuming that Clemson does in fact leave the ACC, only time will tell if this decision was a good one or not.

ACTUALLY....


No they haven't. They decided they want to sue the conference to invalidate the GOR. They haven't withdrawn from the conference, but are free to do so at any time.

You are correct. Clemson has not started the process to withdraw from the conference. However, their intention to do so at some point is crystal clear. They are simply playing the "realignment game" as it is currently configured.