(04-12-2024 01:10 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(04-12-2024 01:01 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 09:22 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 08:09 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 06:09 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It’s absurd. It was never intended to be like this. It has ruined college athletics

I disagree. I think the powers that be in The P4 are getting exactly what they wanted, the ability to “legally” buy the best players/team. Pay up boosters!

I don’t think so. The lawsuit was brought against the NCAA by an individual, so that students athletes could make money off of their NIL. It was never supposed to involve “collectives” that found a loophole to abuse the system. It all benefits the biggest schools with the most supporters, but it was an unintended consequence. Kids aren’t supposed to be recruited with money, nor get payed, unless their NIL actually has worth to a private entity through advertising. At least that's how I understand it. If your NIL is worth nothing, then you make no money in the private sector.

Perhaps not expressly intended, or admitted to, but anyone who did foresee it as an inevitable consequence was kidding themselves, or just not thinking. I thought it was obvious from the get-to what would happen.

George - did you mean “… who did NOT foresee it …”?

That's what he meant.

(04-12-2024 04:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Academic requirements need to be implemented. Kids should have to attend and pass all classes in order to qualify for any NIL payments. Being that college is about education, that shouldn't be too much to ask.

If this is to happen -- as I hope it would -- I suspect that university presidents (especially of those in the P2 conferences) will have to band together to insist on academic standards and their enforcement. Boosters, NIL fund managers and media exec will surely NOT lead this charge.

(04-13-2024 12:38 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(04-12-2024 04:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Academic requirements need to be implemented. Kids should have to attend and pass all classes in order to qualify for any NIL payments. Being that college is about education, that shouldn't be too much to ask.

If this is to happen -- as I hope it would -- I suspect that university presidents (especially of those in the P2 conferences) will have to band together to insist on academic standards and their enforcement. Boosters, NIL fund managers and media exec will surely NOT lead this charge.

How do you make it legally enforceable? That's almost a return to the prior status quo. The NCAA (or any other association of schools) can't prohibit a portion of athletes from getting NIL any more than they could previously prohibit all NIL. NIL is now the same as the athletes having a part-time job even if many of these most extravagant offers are just sinecures. The NCAA and conferences can't make a rule that says athletes can't hold a job that doesn't interfere with their athletic obligations and doesn't publicly embarrass the school, and they can't force a private entity to "fire" a student who fails classes.

There's no way to fix this other than federal legislation, and there's a snowball's chance in hell that happens. The P2 include schools in 25 states (likely more when the ACC eventually collapses). Legislation that would diminish their politically-connected boosters would never get through the Senate unless college football becomes so nationally important that the masses demand it. Where's the big constituency for federal D-I sports regulation? In the disparate fan bases that are being left out in the cold precisely because they're smaller than the those of the schools that do get P2 invitations? Do you think Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Houston alumni are ever going to win out politically over UT and A&M? ULL and LaTech over LSU? The old NCAA is over and never coming back.

(04-13-2024 01:52 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(04-13-2024 12:38 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(04-12-2024 04:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Academic requirements need to be implemented. Kids should have to attend and pass all classes in order to qualify for any NIL payments. Being that college is about education, that shouldn't be too much to ask.

If this is to happen -- as I hope it would -- I suspect that university presidents (especially of those in the P2 conferences) will have to band together to insist on academic standards and their enforcement. Boosters, NIL fund managers and media exec will surely NOT lead this charge.

How do you make it legally enforceable?

The same way that was done in the 70s. Schools rat each other out!

(04-12-2024 04:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(04-12-2024 01:10 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(04-12-2024 01:01 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 09:22 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 08:09 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I disagree. I think the powers that be in The P4 are getting exactly what they wanted, the ability to “legally” buy the best players/team. Pay up boosters!

I don’t think so. The lawsuit was brought against the NCAA by an individual, so that students athletes could make money off of their NIL. It was never supposed to involve “collectives” that found a loophole to abuse the system. It all benefits the biggest schools with the most supporters, but it was an unintended consequence. Kids aren’t supposed to be recruited with money, nor get payed, unless their NIL actually has worth to a private entity through advertising. At least that's how I understand it. If your NIL is worth nothing, then you make no money in the private sector.

Perhaps not expressly intended, or admitted to, but anyone who did foresee it as an inevitable consequence was kidding themselves, or just not thinking. I thought it was obvious from the get-to what would happen.

George - did you mean “… who did NOT foresee it …”?

That's what he meant.

Oops -- sorry about that, and thanks for catching it.

I have a bad habit of inadvertently omitting the word "not" when I type. It's one thing to omit an article or preposition, but "not" is a pretty important word! The good news is that this error has never blown up a business deal or caused an injury -- yet.

(04-13-2024 11:39 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(04-12-2024 04:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(04-12-2024 01:10 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(04-12-2024 01:01 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 09:22 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I don’t think so. The lawsuit was brought against the NCAA by an individual, so that students athletes could make money off of their NIL. It was never supposed to involve “collectives” that found a loophole to abuse the system. It all benefits the biggest schools with the most supporters, but it was an unintended consequence. Kids aren’t supposed to be recruited with money, nor get payed, unless their NIL actually has worth to a private entity through advertising. At least that's how I understand it. If your NIL is worth nothing, then you make no money in the private sector.

Perhaps not expressly intended, or admitted to, but anyone who did foresee it as an inevitable consequence was kidding themselves, or just not thinking. I thought it was obvious from the get-to what would happen.

George - did you mean “… who did NOT foresee it …”?

That's what he meant.

Oops -- sorry about that, and thanks for catching it.

I have a bad habit of inadvertently omitting the word "not" when I type. It's one thing to omit an article or preposition, but "not" is a pretty important word! The good news is that this error has never blown up a business deal or caused an injury -- yet.

I have the same problem with the word “not”.