Kinda think so, this NCAAT is proof of that.

What happened last year?

The NIL was barely a thing last season.

(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

Also, NC State is a Cinderella. They are an 11 seed they only made the dance because of a crazy conference tournament run. I hope they go all the way.


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(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

Am I going crazy or are you just trying to make me think I'm going crazy?

(03-29-2024 08:33 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

Also, NC State is a Cinderella. They are an 11 seed they only made the dance because of a crazy conference tournament run. I hope they go all the way.


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Has to be a non P6 conference to be considered a Cinderella.

(03-29-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:33 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

Also, NC State is a Cinderella. They are an 11 seed they only made the dance because of a crazy conference tournament run. I hope they go all the way.


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Has to be a non P6 conference to be considered a Cinderella.

Does Gonzaga count?

(03-29-2024 08:56 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:33 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

Also, NC State is a Cinderella. They are an 11 seed they only made the dance because of a crazy conference tournament run. I hope they go all the way.


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Has to be a non P6 conference to be considered a Cinderella.

Does Gonzaga count?

Gonzaga has done nothing in the tournament.

(03-29-2024 08:56 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:33 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

Also, NC State is a Cinderella. They are an 11 seed they only made the dance because of a crazy conference tournament run. I hope they go all the way.


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Has to be a non P6 conference to be considered a Cinderella.

Does Gonzaga count?

That's like saying ND is like UConn in football because both are Indy, there are exceptions. NCSU is hot right now and overachieving, not a Cinderella.

(03-29-2024 09:04 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:56 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:33 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

Also, NC State is a Cinderella. They are an 11 seed they only made the dance because of a crazy conference tournament run. I hope they go all the way.


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Has to be a non P6 conference to be considered a Cinderella.

Does Gonzaga count?

Gonzaga has done nothing in the tournament.

Made it further than a lot of teams from power conferences.

I agree, it's all over
they just not have buried the body yet

No.

There will always be players that hit their stride at different times. They’ll just be able to transfer to a big program easier if they have eligibility.

(03-30-2024 12:15 AM)esayem Wrote:  No.

There will always be players that hit their stride at different times. They’ll just be able to transfer to a big program easier if they have eligibility.

Right. I think what's dead is the chance really of a Butler in 2010 and 2011 of happening again going back to back like that.

(03-30-2024 12:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-30-2024 12:15 AM)esayem Wrote:  No.

There will always be players that hit their stride at different times. They’ll just be able to transfer to a big program easier if they have eligibility.

Right. I think what's dead is the chance really of a Butler in 2010 and 2011 of happening again going back to back like that.

I tend to agree, yet FAU did surprise me this past season bringing those players (and coach) back.

(03-30-2024 12:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-30-2024 12:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-30-2024 12:15 AM)esayem Wrote:  No.

There will always be players that hit their stride at different times. They’ll just be able to transfer to a big program easier if they have eligibility.

Right. I think what's dead is the chance really of a Butler in 2010 and 2011 of happening again going back to back like that.

I tend to agree, yet FAU did surprise me this past season bringing those players (and coach) back.

I think their results this year will make that harder to do in the future realistically.

(03-29-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:33 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 07:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The NIL was barely a thing last season.

You’re not doing it right if you didn’t find out about NIL until 2024. It was very much a thing last year. Maybe if we have 5 more NCAAT like this we can talk, but for now this looks like random chance.

Also, NC State is a Cinderella. They are an 11 seed they only made the dance because of a crazy conference tournament run. I hope they go all the way.


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Has to be a non P6 conference to be considered a Cinderella.

Says who? You? FAU made the final 4 as a 9 seed last year and was one point away from the Championship Game. They would have been the lowest seed to ever progress that far if they'd scored 2 more pts against SDSU, and they were from CUSA of all places. Hardly the end of the Cinderella era.

The all time greatest "Cinderellas" were a P6 program: 8 seed Villanova won the whole thing in 1985. Of the 5 11 seeds to make the final 4, 3 were from smaller conferences (George Mason 2006, VCU 2011, Loyola Chicago 2018) but 2 were anything but (LSU 1986 and UCLA 2021).

(03-30-2024 12:15 AM)esayem Wrote:  No.

There will always be players that hit their stride at different times. They’ll just be able to transfer to a big program easier if they have eligibility.

Agreed. A Cinderella can sprout up with a star player during the NCAA Tournament. The bigger challenge is that Cinderella retaining that player after their tournament run is over.

Also, the transfer portal goes both ways where blue blood program as aren’t realistically able to keep a bench full of McDonald’s All-Americans on the bench for multiple seasons. So, I think we’re already seeing a larger mix of teams with Final Four-level talent (e.g. the 3, 4 and 5 seeds that don’t seem that different talent-wise compared to 2 seeds or even some 1 seeds). Winning an outright national title probably still requires a super-special level of talent (like UConn’s level of talent), but the number of teams with the talent that could have a non-fluke Final Four run seems as large as ever. I think that’s why we saw so much chalk get to the Sweet Sixteen compared to the upsets in the first round. The top 15-20 teams this year seem to have a lot more depth. We’ll see if that trend continues.

FWIW, at the dinner table my son declared NC State a Cinderella.

If employee-athletes and NIL kill off half the D-I basketball programs (e.g., your Holy Mother College and Nodirection State U's drop) fans of underdogs will simply gravitate toward major universities that haven't done much in sports lately or who are low ranked as teams to follow and root for.

(03-30-2024 12:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  FWIW, at the dinner table my son declared NC State a Cinderella.

If employee-athletes and NIL kill off half the D-I basketball programs (e.g., your Holy Mother College and Nodirection State U's drop) fans of underdogs will simply gravitate toward major universities that haven't done much in sports lately or who are low ranked as teams to follow and root for.

The networks.