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This latest assult on any conference not named the Big 10 or SEC comes after last years tourney included 2 of the 4 schools in the final 4 were Group of 5 schools (FAU and SDSU)

This years NIT they took the Auto bids away from the G5 again. Even though the NIT Championship Game included 2 teams from CUSA. And of course CUSA was snubbed with no teams invited even though Xavier was invited with a losing record because they are in the Big East.

Their arguements are changed to suit them. In FBS Football they use the example that the SEC and Big 10 had so many teams in the 4 team playoff that they deserve the most money and byes, and auto bids because of performance.

But the same arguement is not used when last years NIT and NCAA Championship games 3 of the 4 teams were from the G5.
What do we get from those basketball sucesses (No G5 auto bids in the NIT this year and a call for no G5 auto bids in the NCAA in the future.

They could not even give the 12 team playoff a chance to work for a while now they want a 14 team version. Structured with big payouts for the SEC and Big 10.

You have 10 FBS Conferences and the champion of each one should be included in any playoff. The FCS, Div 2 and 3 do this every year.

All this money grab is in addition to the 70 million each school can receive in the Big 10 and SEC TV contracts along with the revenue from their 90,000 seat stadiums.

And also remember that in most cases that in both Football and Basketball the G5 school has to play the P5 at their home.

Add in NIL and the transfer portal, Where you have to recruit a new team every year. They talk about name brand schools for ratings. Why are they name brands because they are on Prime Time National TV every week.

The NFL has a great model where you have revenue sharing and schedules where you play home and away.
Oh there are 2 things that the Group of Greed
Likes about the G-5 (steal our coach or players)

They are destroying college sports.

THANK YOU GROUP OF GREED

Group of 5 needs to proactively break off. If we keep waiting for the P2.5 to do it they will just keep pilfering us and destroying our programs. The G5 should start from scratch. Restructure all of the conferences based on geography. It would make everything cheaper for team travel AND allow easier travel to road games for fans. It would also reignite traditional rivalries. Finally, negotiate the media rights deal in a totality...meaning basically the entire G5 should have a media rights deal that is equitable for all institutions. No separate conference contracts. If there is going to be monetary inequity among institutions, let it arise from donors, gate receipts and internal sources. Finally, and I don't know if this would be legal, but create barriers to transfer to the P2.5. Since they will basically be a completely separate entity I think there could be a way to do it.

(03-20-2024 03:12 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2024/03/20/to...r-programs

This latest assult on any conference not named the Big 10 or SEC comes after last years tourney included 2 of the 4 schools in the final 4 were Group of 5 schools (FAU and SDSU)

This years NIT they took the Auto bids away from the G5 again. Even though the NIT Championship Game included 2 teams from CUSA. And of course CUSA was snubbed with no teams invited even though Xavier was invited with a losing record because they are in the Big East.

Their arguements are changed to suit them. In FBS Football they use the example that the SEC and Big 10 had so many teams in the 4 team playoff that they deserve the most money and byes, and auto bids because of performance.

But the same arguement is not used when last years NIT and NCAA Championship games 3 of the 4 teams were from the G5.
What do we get from those basketball sucesses (No G5 auto bids in the NIT this year and a call for no G5 auto bids in the NCAA in the future.

They could not even give the 12 team playoff a chance to work for a while now they want a 14 team version. Structured with big payouts for the SEC and Big 10.

You have 10 FBS Conferences and the champion of each one should be included in any playoff. The FCS, Div 2 and 3 do this every year.

All this money grab is in addition to the 70 million each school can receive in the Big 10 and SEC TV contracts along with the revenue from their 90,000 seat stadiums.

And also remember that in most cases that in both Football and Basketball the G5 school has to play the P5 at their home.

Add in NIL and the transfer portal, Where you have to recruit a new team every year. They talk about name brand schools for ratings. Why are they name brands because they are on Prime Time National TV every week.

The NFL has a great model where you have revenue sharing and schedules where you play home and away.
Oh there are 2 things that the Group of Greed
Likes about the G-5 (steal our coach or players)

They are destroying college sports.

THANK YOU GROUP OF GREED

I agree with everything you said except maybe one thing. I think that they’ve already destroyed college sports as we knew it. They will never be happy though until they have all the money and all the attention and they’ve eliminated all their competition.

(03-20-2024 07:20 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 03:12 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2024/03/20/to...r-programs

This latest assult on any conference not named the Big 10 or SEC comes after last years tourney included 2 of the 4 schools in the final 4 were Group of 5 schools (FAU and SDSU)

This years NIT they took the Auto bids away from the G5 again. Even though the NIT Championship Game included 2 teams from CUSA. And of course CUSA was snubbed with no teams invited even though Xavier was invited with a losing record because they are in the Big East.

Their arguements are changed to suit them. In FBS Football they use the example that the SEC and Big 10 had so many teams in the 4 team playoff that they deserve the most money and byes, and auto bids because of performance.

But the same arguement is not used when last years NIT and NCAA Championship games 3 of the 4 teams were from the G5.
What do we get from those basketball sucesses (No G5 auto bids in the NIT this year and a call for no G5 auto bids in the NCAA in the future.

They could not even give the 12 team playoff a chance to work for a while now they want a 14 team version. Structured with big payouts for the SEC and Big 10.

You have 10 FBS Conferences and the champion of each one should be included in any playoff. The FCS, Div 2 and 3 do this every year.

All this money grab is in addition to the 70 million each school can receive in the Big 10 and SEC TV contracts along with the revenue from their 90,000 seat stadiums.

And also remember that in most cases that in both Football and Basketball the G5 school has to play the P5 at their home.

Add in NIL and the transfer portal, Where you have to recruit a new team every year. They talk about name brand schools for ratings. Why are they name brands because they are on Prime Time National TV every week.

The NFL has a great model where you have revenue sharing and schedules where you play home and away.
Oh there are 2 things that the Group of Greed
Likes about the G-5 (steal our coach or players)

They are destroying college sports.

THANK YOU GROUP OF GREED

I agree with everything you said except maybe one thing. I think that they’ve already destroyed college sports as we knew it. They will never be happy though until they have all the money and all the attention and they’ve eliminated all their competition.

What is the end game for this greed ?

What more can they possibly want that they do not already have ?

Will the courts ever get involved ?

They want it all. Thats the end game. No more WKU vs. Marquette. No more MT beating Mich St.

If we're looking for fairness in treatment of Non-Cartel schools; we're dreaming. The Cartel consisting of all SEC, B10, B12 & ACC schools +ND will continue to take and take until they have it all. But, when they finally succeed and kill the opportunity for Non-Cartel programs to both participate in (& receive) competitive revenue college sports will be dead to me. If I want to watch professional sports, I'll just go watch the Titans or see the NFL and NBA on TV. The Cartel is gonna kill the Goose that laid that Golden Egg!

I hate to say it, but if we want any fairness at all at the G5 level, we need to create something ourselves. I was kind of hoping the NIT might be that "thing" but to be honest, I think I prefer starting up our own post season opportunities how we see fit and how it benefits us. That is across all sports and not just football and basketball.

I know it would be difficult and the risk of failure may be relatively high. That shouldn't dissuade the powers that be, IMO.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

I agree with all of you all. It's good to see other G5 fans waking up to the sham. I'm tired of the G5 being treated like an annoying little brother that your parents force to take along with you.

Over the last year, I've come to realize that the current and future college football structure isn't helping us grow. It's actually slowing killing all of our fanbases outside of maybe a few teams. And over time, where you only get to play for a sub standard bowl game, where half the players sit out, head coaches have already moved onto other jobs, those fanbases will become apathetic as well.

We need our own division. Where we have fair rules and equal shots at a legit playoff and national title. It can be done and I believe would actually fair pretty well in terms of interest.

What's not helpful is for us to keep pretending that we are on the same level as the Georgia, Alabamas, and Ohio States of the world, when those schools can openly buy players now. Why do we even want to try and compete with that? It doesn't make any sense anymore.

(03-21-2024 09:50 AM)Theflash Wrote:  They want it all. Thats the end game. No more WKU vs. Marquette. No more MT beating Mich St.

See, that's crazy to me; what is it that makes people so drawn to March Madness? It's the upsets and Cinderella runs; you can't have that without the Cinderellas...

(03-21-2024 12:24 PM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  I agree with all of you all. It's good to see other G5 fans waking up to the sham. I'm tired of the G5 being treated like an annoying little brother that your parents force to take along with you.

Over the last year, I've come to realize that the current and future college football structure isn't helping us grow. It's actually slowing killing all of our fanbases outside of maybe a few teams. And over time, where you only get to play for a sub standard bowl game, where half the players sit out, head coaches have already moved onto other jobs, those fanbases will become apathetic as well.

We need our own division. Where we have fair rules and equal shots at a legit playoff and national title. It can be done and I believe would actually fair pretty well in terms of interest.

What's not helpful is for us to keep pretending that we are on the same level as the Georgia, Alabamas, and Ohio States of the world, when those schools can openly buy players now. Why do we even want to try and compete with that? It doesn't make any sense anymore.

There was a time that I would have disagreed with what you said. I would have said don’t let them win. If a suggestion of separation were made then we lose what little we have. But you know what, they’ve already won. They have practically all the money. All the good bowl games. All the good broadcast rights. All the influence with the broadcast networks. They control the tournaments. As it has just been proven, a subpar P2 team will get in before a good G5 team. And they definitely don’t plan on sharing a fraction of what they have. As we’ve been talking about, they even want what little we have. And just like you, I’m sick of it. Why not let them do their own thing? They already are anyway. As you so correctly stated, the Georgia’s and Alabama’s of the world can buy their championship team every year. Something they’ve already been doing for a while now. So why not level the playing field for the rest of us. Let us who are in the G5 actually have a fair opportunity to play for a championship. Maybe we could get back a little of what college sports was meant to be. Good post GreenDaddy.

(03-21-2024 06:26 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 12:24 PM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  I agree with all of you all. It's good to see other G5 fans waking up to the sham. I'm tired of the G5 being treated like an annoying little brother that your parents force to take along with you.

Over the last year, I've come to realize that the current and future college football structure isn't helping us grow. It's actually slowing killing all of our fanbases outside of maybe a few teams. And over time, where you only get to play for a sub standard bowl game, where half the players sit out, head coaches have already moved onto other jobs, those fanbases will become apathetic as well.

We need our own division. Where we have fair rules and equal shots at a legit playoff and national title. It can be done and I believe would actually fair pretty well in terms of interest.

What's not helpful is for us to keep pretending that we are on the same level as the Georgia, Alabamas, and Ohio States of the world, when those schools can openly buy players now. Why do we even want to try and compete with that? It doesn't make any sense anymore.

There was a time that I would have disagreed with what you said. I would have said don’t let them win. If a suggestion of separation were made then we lose what little we have. But you know what, they’ve already won.

My sentiments exactly.

Even before JSU moved up, I've fought hard against every suggestion of a "G5 Championship" because all it does is recreate the old I-AA. (Only this time with some minor bowls, for however long those last.)

But what the GG have already done and are (so far successfully) attempting to push even further is a big step beyond turning us into I-AA part deux.

They're turning us into D-II.

It's not just football. It's basketball, too. If they get that, then the rest of the OLY sports will surely follow.

"But that will never that happen. There are 'power' teams in basketball and other sports who play G5 football, and even more who don't sponsor football at all."
-- Me, just a few short months ago

The GG will surely take this into consideration.

In a case like the Big East, where the league itself is a legitimate non-football power, it will be included in their little Cool Kids club.

As for the West Coast Conference, it's a little cloudier. Sure, it's home to Gonzaga and St. Mary's. That counts for something. But everyone else is mediocre to terrible. Unless the GG really needs Gonzaga and St. Mary's to round out some far west expansion -- Narrator: They won't. -- then these two schools will be cast into D-II with all of us and the rest of their conference.

I can picture the outcry now from GG fans and coaches like Tim Izzo: "Oh, no. Whatever will we do without two tiny Catholic colleges from California? How will the NCAA Tournament survive without their national reach and marketability?! Mwa-ha-ha-haaaaah!!"

Yeah, they're screwed.

Just like the rest of us.