So nothing like a "P", and nothing like an "M" either. But it's better than "G".

Well I guess they will remain Independent then? Surely if they join the MWC they won't keep that level of payout?

So each Pac-2 "member" jumped from 20% of a G5 share ($360k) to double a G5 share ($3.6M) in less than a week's time?

Unless it was a math error, what triggered the not insignificant change?

The money for the two additional payouts — a combined $6.5M annually — didn't fall out of the sky. On the surface, it seems unlikely the P2, M2 and/or G5 would willingly take a slight haircut on behalf of the Cougs and Beavs.

Did ESPN kick in more dollars and/or did the CFP committee have a set aside available for such adjustments?

Curious what went down here.

Even more curious on why it happened — and what that might say about the Pac-2's future conference affiliation(s)

I'm starting to think the initial reporting was wrong and is trying to save face because the initial reporting said they would be getting exactly 360,000 each but now it's 3.6 million.

(03-20-2024 10:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So nothing like a "P", and nothing like an "M" either. But it's better than "G".

Im wondering what else is in this agreement with respect to the Pac12 we DONT really know about. The assumption by many is the Pac12 is not included in the deal---but just like this provision---it wouldnt surprise me if WSU/OSU stuck a clause in there that allowed for Pac12 inclusion should it survive. Remember, OSU/WSU did have some leverage as everything dealing with the last 2 years of the current CFP expansion had to be unanomous (and I'd note that all the new post 2025 CFP TV negotiations are actually taking place as part of an early renegotiation of the current CFP ESPN deal---which the Pac12 is still a named party). Its not like a provision that allowed P12 CFP participation (if it should survive) would have been particularly controversial or divisive among the CFP voters.

(03-20-2024 10:26 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  So each Pac-2 "member" jumped from 20% of a G5 share ($360k) to double a G5 share ($3.6M) in less than a week's time?

Unless it was a math error, what triggered the not insignificant change?

The money for the two additional payouts — a combined $6.5M annually — didn't fall out of the sky. On the surface, it seems unlikely the P2, M2 and/or G5 would willingly take a slight haircut on behalf of the Cougs and Beavs.

Did ESPN kick in more dollars and/or did the CFP committee have a set aside available for such adjustments?

Curious what went down here.

Even more curious on why it happened — and what that might say about the Pac-2's future conference affiliation(s)

Probably just misreported originally. My question is..."why"? Was this what Schulz was holding out for when he stalled the expansion to 12 teams for 24-25? I bet it was, and it was well-played. He didn't ask for the moon, he just got a double share, a tiny % of the overall pot, but a significant sum for WSU and OSU.

(03-20-2024 10:36 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  I'm starting to think the initial reporting was wrong and is trying to save face because the initial reporting said they would be getting exactly 360,000 each but now it's 3.6 million.

That's definitely a possibility ... and, if true, the sort of blunder the culprit might prefer to keep under wraps

Maybe the P2, M2 and G5 dollar figures we saw need to be tweaked slightly downward ...

So UConn is still scheduled to receive just $360k annually — at least until Yappy gets his way and the Big XII invite gets mailed to Storrs

(03-20-2024 10:26 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  So each Pac-2 "member" jumped from 20% of a G5 share ($360k) to double a G5 share ($3.6M) in less than a week's time?

Unless it was a math error, what triggered the not insignificant change?

My guess? OSU and WSU were literally forgotten about in the P2-M2 tug-of-war.

Quote:The money for the two additional payouts — a combined $6.5M annually — didn't fall out of the sky. On the surface, it seems unlikely the P2, M2 and/or G5 would willingly take a slight haircut on behalf of the Cougs and Beavs.

On the contrary, I think the rest of college football all agreed to chip in to get the 2 odd fits a 1% share of the CFP.

Quote:Did ESPN kick in more dollars and/or did the CFP committee have a set aside available for such adjustments?

Curious what went down here.

Even more curious on why it happened — and what that might say about the Pac-2's future conference affiliation(s)

Why it happened? Residual sentiments of justice and fairness. Won't happen again.

(03-20-2024 10:36 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  I'm starting to think the initial reporting was wrong and is trying to save face because the initial reporting said they would be getting exactly 360,000 each but now it's 3.6 million.

Also possible. In fact more likely that the journalist didn't ask the specific question about OSU/WSU. OTOH it's being described as a renegotiation.

(03-20-2024 11:18 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:26 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  So each Pac-2 "member" jumped from 20% of a G5 share ($360k) to double a G5 share ($3.6M) in less than a week's time?

Unless it was a math error, what triggered the not insignificant change?

My guess? OSU and WSU were literally forgotten about in the P2-M2 tug-of-war.

Quote:The money for the two additional payouts — a combined $6.5M annually — didn't fall out of the sky. On the surface, it seems unlikely the P2, M2 and/or G5 would willingly take a slight haircut on behalf of the Cougs and Beavs.

On the contrary, I think the rest of college football all agreed to chip in to get the 2 odd fits a 1% share of the CFP.

Quote:Did ESPN kick in more dollars and/or did the CFP committee have a set aside available for such adjustments?

Curious what went down here.

Even more curious on why it happened — and what that might say about the Pac-2's future conference affiliation(s)

Why it happened? Residual sentiments of justice and fairness. Won't happen again.

(03-20-2024 10:36 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  I'm starting to think the initial reporting was wrong and is trying to save face because the initial reporting said they would be getting exactly 360,000 each but now it's 3.6 million.

Also possible. In fact more likely that the journalist didn't ask the specific question about OSU/WSU. OTOH it's being described as a renegotiation.

WSU/OSU were capable of blocking any additional CFP expansion monies due the last 2 years of the current deal. They said publicly something to the effect that they didnt want to be obstructionist---but, they were in a tough position. So, I think this likely was the deal that was worked out. Furthermore, given the recent rumblings about OSU/WSU looking at raiding the MW to save the Pac12---its feasible they may have also won a CFP participation clause that is triggered if the Pac12 survives as a reloaded NCAA FBS conference past 2025 (which while unlikely, remains possible).

(03-20-2024 11:29 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 11:18 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:26 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  So each Pac-2 "member" jumped from 20% of a G5 share ($360k) to double a G5 share ($3.6M) in less than a week's time?

Unless it was a math error, what triggered the not insignificant change?

My guess? OSU and WSU were literally forgotten about in the P2-M2 tug-of-war.

Quote:The money for the two additional payouts — a combined $6.5M annually — didn't fall out of the sky. On the surface, it seems unlikely the P2, M2 and/or G5 would willingly take a slight haircut on behalf of the Cougs and Beavs.

On the contrary, I think the rest of college football all agreed to chip in to get the 2 odd fits a 1% share of the CFP.

Quote:Did ESPN kick in more dollars and/or did the CFP committee have a set aside available for such adjustments?

Curious what went down here.

Even more curious on why it happened — and what that might say about the Pac-2's future conference affiliation(s)

Why it happened? Residual sentiments of justice and fairness. Won't happen again.

(03-20-2024 10:36 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  I'm starting to think the initial reporting was wrong and is trying to save face because the initial reporting said they would be getting exactly 360,000 each but now it's 3.6 million.

Also possible. In fact more likely that the journalist didn't ask the specific question about OSU/WSU. OTOH it's being described as a renegotiation.

WSU/OSU were capable of blocking any additional CFP expansion monies due the last 2 years of the current deal. They said publicly something to the effect that they didnt want to be obstructionist---but, they were in a tough position. So, I think this likely was the deal that was worked out. Furthermore, given the recent rumblings about OSU/WSU looking at raiding the MW to save the Pac12---its feasible they may have also won a CFP participation clause that is triggered if the Pac12 survives as a NCAA FBS conference past 2025.

Better watch your back, the 2Pac is coming for the Big 12's Ultimate Zombie Conference Championship Belt!

(03-20-2024 10:43 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So nothing like a "P", and nothing like an "M" either. But it's better than "G".

Im wondering what else is in this agreement with respect to the Pac12 we DONT really know about. The assumption by many is the Pac12 is not included in the deal---but just like this provision---it wouldnt surprise me if WSU/OSU stuck a clause in there that allowed for Pac12 inclusion should it survive. Remember, OSU/WSU did have some leverage as everything dealing with the last 2 years of the current CFP expansion had to be unanomous (and I'd note that all the new post 2025 CFP TV negotiations are actually taking place as part of an early renegotiation of the current CFP ESPN deal---which the Pac12 is still a named party). Its not like a provision that allowed P12 CFP participation (if it should survive) would have been particularly controversial or divisive among the CFP voters.

The G5 had no leverage. The ACC and Big 12 had very little leverage. I imagine it just everybody but the power schools in the SEC and Big 10 saying, "there but for the Grace of God,...."

MWC deserves to have a bigger payout since they have not expanded in over a decade. They have teams that are in the M2 who never got invited yet. Fresno State and Boise State are the top 2 with the win records since 2000. Boise State is top 10 in wins since 2000.

The other conferences signed an MOU giving ESPN the comfort they needed to get a deal signed. The fact that the Pac found their price after the ESPN deal was signed doesn’t mean much, just that ESPN didn’t think the issue would break the product they bought.

Had the M2 not signed, for example, ESPN would have kept waiting… which is why this deal didn’t get done a few months ago when then $1.3B figure was first announced. The key players had not agreed to participate yet.

This also kills a Pac-12 bid… at least until the Yormark look in. The Pac agreed to no guaranteed AQ access. Format is not nailed down, but they gave the P2 the keys to the car when it comes to a playoff format.

(03-20-2024 10:43 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So nothing like a "P", and nothing like an "M" either. But it's better than "G".

Im wondering what else is in this agreement with respect to the Pac12 we DONT really know about. The assumption by many is the Pac12 is not included in the deal---but just like this provision---it wouldnt surprise me if WSU/OSU stuck a clause in there that allowed for Pac12 inclusion should it survive. Remember, OSU/WSU did have some leverage as everything dealing with the last 2 years of the current CFP expansion had to be unanomous (and I'd note that all the new post 2025 CFP TV negotiations are actually taking place as part of an early renegotiation of the current CFP ESPN deal---which the Pac12 is still a named party). Its not like a provision that allowed P12 CFP participation (if it should survive) would have been particularly controversial or divisive among the CFP voters.

Probably there is some side agreement with these two schools. Most likely it was in exchange for getting their approval of the 2024 and 2025 format change with 5-7. Something along the lines of vote for this proposal and we'll take care of you in the next CFP package. The fact that UConn was left on the floor strongly suggests this is what happened.

(03-20-2024 12:08 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:43 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So nothing like a "P", and nothing like an "M" either. But it's better than "G".

Im wondering what else is in this agreement with respect to the Pac12 we DONT really know about. The assumption by many is the Pac12 is not included in the deal---but just like this provision---it wouldnt surprise me if WSU/OSU stuck a clause in there that allowed for Pac12 inclusion should it survive. Remember, OSU/WSU did have some leverage as everything dealing with the last 2 years of the current CFP expansion had to be unanomous (and I'd note that all the new post 2025 CFP TV negotiations are actually taking place as part of an early renegotiation of the current CFP ESPN deal---which the Pac12 is still a named party). Its not like a provision that allowed P12 CFP participation (if it should survive) would have been particularly controversial or divisive among the CFP voters.

Probably there is some side agreement with these two schools. Most likely it was in exchange for getting their approval of the 2024 and 2025 format change with 5-7. Something along the lines of vote for this proposal and we'll take care of you in the next CFP package. The fact that UConn was left on the floor strongly suggests this is what happened.

This must be the explanation--sort of a "quid pro quo". Money for votes--plain and simple.


**The Problem with this going INDY for two EXTRA years "theory" is that they have a Contract with the MW.

AND--if the MW refuses to play these two as INDIES---they would have trouble getting enough games scheduled.

(03-20-2024 04:44 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 12:08 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:43 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So nothing like a "P", and nothing like an "M" either. But it's better than "G".

Im wondering what else is in this agreement with respect to the Pac12 we DONT really know about. The assumption by many is the Pac12 is not included in the deal---but just like this provision---it wouldnt surprise me if WSU/OSU stuck a clause in there that allowed for Pac12 inclusion should it survive. Remember, OSU/WSU did have some leverage as everything dealing with the last 2 years of the current CFP expansion had to be unanomous (and I'd note that all the new post 2025 CFP TV negotiations are actually taking place as part of an early renegotiation of the current CFP ESPN deal---which the Pac12 is still a named party). Its not like a provision that allowed P12 CFP participation (if it should survive) would have been particularly controversial or divisive among the CFP voters.

Probably there is some side agreement with these two schools. Most likely it was in exchange for getting their approval of the 2024 and 2025 format change with 5-7. Something along the lines of vote for this proposal and we'll take care of you in the next CFP package. The fact that UConn was left on the floor strongly suggests this is what happened.

This must be the explanation--sort of a "quid pro quo". Money for votes--plain and simple.

I remember talking about this last fall, but I'm impressed that WOSU actually pulled it off. It's not a home run, but it's at least a win. Those have been in very short supply for them lately, I think they'll take it and be happy for it.

IMO, this agreement shows how little leverage OST and WST had.

They are basically getting, for a few years apparently, the same $3.6m payout that I believe is about what the current "P" teams are getting under the 2014 deal. So that means they will share in none of the largesse associated with the new massive deal.

Yes, they are above the Gs. But they are $10m shy of what the Ms are getting, so far far closer to the Gs.

Would have been much more interesting if the Pac-12 got an AQ bid out of this. Would have vaulted the MWC/Pac-12 into M3 status almost by itself.