(03-23-2024 09:24 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 05:54 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 05:45 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 05:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 11:33 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Basketball won the AAC tournament just last year. Beating a number 1 seed in the final. Our memories sure are short.

Yours seems to be on the short side also.

That #1 seed lost the 2022-23 AAC player of the year in their semifinal game.

He was not lost

He played 4 days later in the ncaa

It was a coach decision

He was injured in semi and didn't play in finals.

Play semantics all you want, he was lost for the finals.

We played against a Houston team that was missing the AAC player of the year.

But you were ok when Houston beat us at home without Davis. You were also ok with Williams missing key games his first year because of some ncaa bs. Funny how when it fits your racist anti Penny agenda you are ok with it

From what part of your ass did you pull that?

Please show my post where i claimed any of that.

(03-24-2024 10:57 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 09:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 07:23 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 04:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 01:01 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Also one tourney win in 6 years ain’t good either.

5 post-seasons. And it's still not good. But it's better than the 5 years prior. And NCAA tourney invites (2) > greater than bowls other than the NY6 (5).

lol
2…let’s say it again…2 NCAA appearances. ONE win…just ONE.
And a horrible 2023-2024. No good HS prospects in sight to even build a program. The program is on the downturn and Penny hasn’t improved as a coach. This is how Paz was trending towards the end. Tiger basketball is on its last wheel under Penny. Unfortunately we’ll have to tolerate one more year before the plug is pulled.

Liberty bowl win against Iowa State is better than the one NCAA win Tigers have had under Penny. The opportunities in football even with an underwhelming Silverfield is better than the misery we are about to experience next year and perhaps more.

Whenever you say a Liberty Bowl win against a Iowa State team (which had 7-8 starters sitting out BTW), is better than any NCAA tourney win, you lose a lot of credibility.

LOL
A poster who doesn’t do any research and makes outlandish claims has no business calling anyone else out for a lack of credibility.

The one NCAA win was against the “mighty” Boise State where the Tigers were favored by 3 points. Favored by 3 points…not an underdog.

In the Liberty Bowl, the Tigers were a 10.5 point underdog. A sizable underdog according to most analysts and betters.

Memphis had 5 players out due to entering the transfer portal.

Iowa State had 8 players out due to entering the transfer portal.
1 never played in 2023 as he was redshirted.
1 was a below average RB that ran for 343 yards and decided to transfer.
1 played 4 games in 2023 and transferred at end of season.
1 played 3 games on special teams and maintained his redshirt.
1 played 4 games in 2023
1 played 6 games primarily on special teams
1 played 5 games again primarily on special teams
1 was a TE that didn’t play a game in 2023

Sanders was the primarily player that opted out. He and the other RB didn’t play the final game of the regular season either. Iowa State beat #18 Kansas State on the ROAD without those 2 RBs.

Memphis beats a low major team in Boise State where the Tigers were favored by 3 points.
Memphis beats a power 5 team in Iowa State (btw 7-8 starters didn’t sit out) where the Tigers were 10.5 point underdogs.

It’s elementary

Good research. Seems the reports of 7-8 starters out was not totally accurate. Of course, your info isn't either. They were without their top defensive player - T.J. Tampa - who is the only guy they have on draft boards. Their #2 and #3 RBs - who rushed for 800 yds - opted out. So they were extremely thin at RB - the starter and a freshman.

Listen, I'm not trying to take down the football team with this. Unlike some here I'm a fan of both fb and bb. I've been a season ticket holder for fb for many years.

It's really just common sense with the numbers. Bowl games are so saturated that 60%+ of all teams go to bowl games. 13 teams who went to bowl games ended up with losing records on the season. Another 17 teams ended up at 6-6 or 7-6. And in the era of players opting out for the transfer portal or for draft reasons, these bowl games just don't mean a whole lot. They are exhibition games with nothing at stake.

In basketball, only 68 of 350-ish teams make the NCAA tourney. That's 20%, compared to 60% in football bowls. Regardless of who is favored, just making the NCAA tourney is a much greater accomplishment than playing a bowl game outside of the NY6. And a win gets you inside the top 10% of the sport - comparable to the top 15 in football - whichin turn, is comparable to the teams making the CFP and the NY6.

NCAA tourney > bowls

(03-25-2024 09:30 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 10:57 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 09:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 07:23 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 04:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  5 post-seasons. And it's still not good. But it's better than the 5 years prior. And NCAA tourney invites (2) > greater than bowls other than the NY6 (5).

lol
2…let’s say it again…2 NCAA appearances. ONE win…just ONE.
And a horrible 2023-2024. No good HS prospects in sight to even build a program. The program is on the downturn and Penny hasn’t improved as a coach. This is how Paz was trending towards the end. Tiger basketball is on its last wheel under Penny. Unfortunately we’ll have to tolerate one more year before the plug is pulled.

Liberty bowl win against Iowa State is better than the one NCAA win Tigers have had under Penny. The opportunities in football even with an underwhelming Silverfield is better than the misery we are about to experience next year and perhaps more.

Whenever you say a Liberty Bowl win against a Iowa State team (which had 7-8 starters sitting out BTW), is better than any NCAA tourney win, you lose a lot of credibility.

LOL
A poster who doesn’t do any research and makes outlandish claims has no business calling anyone else out for a lack of credibility.

The one NCAA win was against the “mighty” Boise State where the Tigers were favored by 3 points. Favored by 3 points…not an underdog.

In the Liberty Bowl, the Tigers were a 10.5 point underdog. A sizable underdog according to most analysts and betters.

Memphis had 5 players out due to entering the transfer portal.

Iowa State had 8 players out due to entering the transfer portal.
1 never played in 2023 as he was redshirted.
1 was a below average RB that ran for 343 yards and decided to transfer.
1 played 4 games in 2023 and transferred at end of season.
1 played 3 games on special teams and maintained his redshirt.
1 played 4 games in 2023
1 played 6 games primarily on special teams
1 played 5 games again primarily on special teams
1 was a TE that didn’t play a game in 2023

Sanders was the primarily player that opted out. He and the other RB didn’t play the final game of the regular season either. Iowa State beat #18 Kansas State on the ROAD without those 2 RBs.

Memphis beats a low major team in Boise State where the Tigers were favored by 3 points.
Memphis beats a power 5 team in Iowa State (btw 7-8 starters didn’t sit out) where the Tigers were 10.5 point underdogs.

It’s elementary

Good research. Seems the reports of 7-8 starters out was not totally accurate. Of course, your info isn't either. They were without their top defensive player - T.J. Tampa - who is the only guy they have on draft boards. Their #2 and #3 RBs - who rushed for 800 yds - opted out. So they were extremely thin at RB - the starter and a freshman.

Listen, I'm not trying to take down the football team with this. Unlike some here I'm a fan of both fb and bb. I've been a season ticket holder for fb for many years.

It's really just common sense with the numbers. Bowl games are so saturated that 60%+ of all teams go to bowl games. 13 teams who went to bowl games ended up with losing records on the season. Another 17 teams ended up at 6-6 or 7-6. And in the era of players opting out for the transfer portal or for draft reasons, these bowl games just don't mean a whole lot. They are exhibition games with nothing at stake.

In basketball, only 68 of 350-ish teams make the NCAA tourney. That's 20%, compared to 60% in football bowls. Regardless of who is favored, just making the NCAA tourney is a much greater accomplishment than playing a bowl game outside of the NY6. And a win gets you inside the top 10% of the sport - comparable to the top 15 in football - whichin turn, is comparable to the teams making the CFP and the NY6.

NCAA tourney > bowls

Iowa State went on the road and beat #18 ranked K-State without their 2RBs. So not as big a loss

Tigers had more players out of significance.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/betting/...2422e50579

“Memphis has fewer player opt-outs than Iowa State for the Liberty Bowl, but the players they are missing played much more significant roles. Two offensive line starters and arguably their best defensive back will be difficult players to replace.”
So your reason for the Tigers winning due to some depleted Iowa State roster and a Tigers roster at full strength is completely incorrect.

I agree NCAA wins tend to be more important than jo schmo bowls. But the Liberty Bowl is more prestigious than the average bowl and beating a Power 5 team in football is always gonna be impressive. A win against Boise state doesn’t hold any water to the Liberty bowl win.

(03-25-2024 09:48 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 09:30 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 10:57 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 09:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 07:23 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  lol
2…let’s say it again…2 NCAA appearances. ONE win…just ONE.
And a horrible 2023-2024. No good HS prospects in sight to even build a program. The program is on the downturn and Penny hasn’t improved as a coach. This is how Paz was trending towards the end. Tiger basketball is on its last wheel under Penny. Unfortunately we’ll have to tolerate one more year before the plug is pulled.

Liberty bowl win against Iowa State is better than the one NCAA win Tigers have had under Penny. The opportunities in football even with an underwhelming Silverfield is better than the misery we are about to experience next year and perhaps more.

Whenever you say a Liberty Bowl win against a Iowa State team (which had 7-8 starters sitting out BTW), is better than any NCAA tourney win, you lose a lot of credibility.

LOL
A poster who doesn’t do any research and makes outlandish claims has no business calling anyone else out for a lack of credibility.

The one NCAA win was against the “mighty” Boise State where the Tigers were favored by 3 points. Favored by 3 points…not an underdog.

In the Liberty Bowl, the Tigers were a 10.5 point underdog. A sizable underdog according to most analysts and betters.

Memphis had 5 players out due to entering the transfer portal.

Iowa State had 8 players out due to entering the transfer portal.
1 never played in 2023 as he was redshirted.
1 was a below average RB that ran for 343 yards and decided to transfer.
1 played 4 games in 2023 and transferred at end of season.
1 played 3 games on special teams and maintained his redshirt.
1 played 4 games in 2023
1 played 6 games primarily on special teams
1 played 5 games again primarily on special teams
1 was a TE that didn’t play a game in 2023

Sanders was the primarily player that opted out. He and the other RB didn’t play the final game of the regular season either. Iowa State beat #18 Kansas State on the ROAD without those 2 RBs.

Memphis beats a low major team in Boise State where the Tigers were favored by 3 points.
Memphis beats a power 5 team in Iowa State (btw 7-8 starters didn’t sit out) where the Tigers were 10.5 point underdogs.

It’s elementary

Good research. Seems the reports of 7-8 starters out was not totally accurate. Of course, your info isn't either. They were without their top defensive player - T.J. Tampa - who is the only guy they have on draft boards. Their #2 and #3 RBs - who rushed for 800 yds - opted out. So they were extremely thin at RB - the starter and a freshman.

Listen, I'm not trying to take down the football team with this. Unlike some here I'm a fan of both fb and bb. I've been a season ticket holder for fb for many years.

It's really just common sense with the numbers. Bowl games are so saturated that 60%+ of all teams go to bowl games. 13 teams who went to bowl games ended up with losing records on the season. Another 17 teams ended up at 6-6 or 7-6. And in the era of players opting out for the transfer portal or for draft reasons, these bowl games just don't mean a whole lot. They are exhibition games with nothing at stake.

In basketball, only 68 of 350-ish teams make the NCAA tourney. That's 20%, compared to 60% in football bowls. Regardless of who is favored, just making the NCAA tourney is a much greater accomplishment than playing a bowl game outside of the NY6. And a win gets you inside the top 10% of the sport - comparable to the top 15 in football - whichin turn, is comparable to the teams making the CFP and the NY6.

NCAA tourney > bowls

Iowa State went on the road and beat #18 ranked K-State without their 2RBs. So not as big a loss

Tigers had more players out of significance.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/betting/...2422e50579

“Memphis has fewer player opt-outs than Iowa State for the Liberty Bowl, but the players they are missing played much more significant roles. Two offensive line starters and arguably their best defensive back will be difficult players to replace.”
So your reason for the Tigers winning due to some depleted Iowa State roster and a Tigers roster at full strength is completely incorrect.

I agree NCAA wins tend to be more important than jo schmo bowls. But the Liberty Bowl is more prestigious than the average bowl and beating a Power 5 team in football is always gonna be impressive. A win against Boise state doesn’t hold any water to the Liberty bowl win.

Your link is still inaccurate. It's before Tampa, the NFL prospect, opted out.
But no need to keep going back and forth.
I just put no stock in bowl wins OR losses these days (Motivation, opt outs, etc.). You do.
I put a great deal of stock in NCAA wins because they are all playing to advance. You don't if it doesn't happen against a power conference team.

BTW, the Memphis fb team finished #49 out of 133 in ESPN's Power Index after that LB win.
The 2023 bb team finished #29 out of 360+ in ESPN's Power Index.

(03-25-2024 11:02 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 09:48 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 09:30 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 10:57 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 09:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Whenever you say a Liberty Bowl win against a Iowa State team (which had 7-8 starters sitting out BTW), is better than any NCAA tourney win, you lose a lot of credibility.

LOL
A poster who doesn’t do any research and makes outlandish claims has no business calling anyone else out for a lack of credibility.

The one NCAA win was against the “mighty” Boise State where the Tigers were favored by 3 points. Favored by 3 points…not an underdog.

In the Liberty Bowl, the Tigers were a 10.5 point underdog. A sizable underdog according to most analysts and betters.

Memphis had 5 players out due to entering the transfer portal.

Iowa State had 8 players out due to entering the transfer portal.
1 never played in 2023 as he was redshirted.
1 was a below average RB that ran for 343 yards and decided to transfer.
1 played 4 games in 2023 and transferred at end of season.
1 played 3 games on special teams and maintained his redshirt.
1 played 4 games in 2023
1 played 6 games primarily on special teams
1 played 5 games again primarily on special teams
1 was a TE that didn’t play a game in 2023

Sanders was the primarily player that opted out. He and the other RB didn’t play the final game of the regular season either. Iowa State beat #18 Kansas State on the ROAD without those 2 RBs.

Memphis beats a low major team in Boise State where the Tigers were favored by 3 points.
Memphis beats a power 5 team in Iowa State (btw 7-8 starters didn’t sit out) where the Tigers were 10.5 point underdogs.

It’s elementary

Good research. Seems the reports of 7-8 starters out was not totally accurate. Of course, your info isn't either. They were without their top defensive player - T.J. Tampa - who is the only guy they have on draft boards. Their #2 and #3 RBs - who rushed for 800 yds - opted out. So they were extremely thin at RB - the starter and a freshman.

Listen, I'm not trying to take down the football team with this. Unlike some here I'm a fan of both fb and bb. I've been a season ticket holder for fb for many years.

It's really just common sense with the numbers. Bowl games are so saturated that 60%+ of all teams go to bowl games. 13 teams who went to bowl games ended up with losing records on the season. Another 17 teams ended up at 6-6 or 7-6. And in the era of players opting out for the transfer portal or for draft reasons, these bowl games just don't mean a whole lot. They are exhibition games with nothing at stake.

In basketball, only 68 of 350-ish teams make the NCAA tourney. That's 20%, compared to 60% in football bowls. Regardless of who is favored, just making the NCAA tourney is a much greater accomplishment than playing a bowl game outside of the NY6. And a win gets you inside the top 10% of the sport - comparable to the top 15 in football - whichin turn, is comparable to the teams making the CFP and the NY6.

NCAA tourney > bowls

Iowa State went on the road and beat #18 ranked K-State without their 2RBs. So not as big a loss

Tigers had more players out of significance.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/betting/...2422e50579

“Memphis has fewer player opt-outs than Iowa State for the Liberty Bowl, but the players they are missing played much more significant roles. Two offensive line starters and arguably their best defensive back will be difficult players to replace.”
So your reason for the Tigers winning due to some depleted Iowa State roster and a Tigers roster at full strength is completely incorrect.

I agree NCAA wins tend to be more important than jo schmo bowls. But the Liberty Bowl is more prestigious than the average bowl and beating a Power 5 team in football is always gonna be impressive. A win against Boise state doesn’t hold any water to the Liberty bowl win.

Your link is still inaccurate. It's before Tampa, the NFL prospect, opted out.
But no need to keep going back and forth.
I just put no stock in bowl wins OR losses these days (Motivation, opt outs, etc.). You do.
I put a great deal of stock in NCAA wins because they are all playing to advance. You don't if it doesn't happen against a power conference team.

BTW, the Memphis fb team finished #49 out of 133 in ESPN's Power Index after that LB win.
The 2023 bb team finished #29 out of 360+ in ESPN's Power Index.

Iowa State being depleted is still incorrect as the Tigers had 3 starters out playing significant mins. Regardless, the convo started with the football and basketball programs. B’ball program has been in a bad state now for almost a decade and a half whereas the football program has thrived (not as much under Silverfield). In the last half decade where Penny and Silverfield have been the coach, the most impressive post season win of any significance has been the Liberty bowl. You are in the minority and that’s fine. We’ll agree to disagree.

I can't remember what Malcolm said?

(03-25-2024 12:13 PM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  I can't remember what Malcolm said?

We’ve moved on from Malco to comparing apples and oranges

(03-25-2024 12:13 PM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  I can't remember what Malcolm said?

WHO?

(03-25-2024 12:13 PM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  I can't remember what Malcolm said?

What he said isn’t the problem, what he did is not concerning.

I like Malcom and wish him luck for the on-court memories but things will be interesting in the near future.