https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...enue-split

"...College Football Playoff leaders are "on target" to come to a resolution by the end of the week on a proposed revenue distribution and governance structure in the next contract, sources told ESPN, but some important conversations remain before they agree to sign a lucrative TV deal with ESPN.

Commissioners of the Mountain West Conference, Sun Belt, Mid-American Conference, Conference USA and American Athletic Conference aren't keen on the proposed revenue distribution, which sources said would limit the Group of 5 conferences from making any substantial increase in revenue in the next contract, which would begin in 2026. One source described it a "slight uptick; nominal."

The question is if there is enough pushback to delay or derail the progress -- or if those leagues are simply in a tough spot and have to acquiesce or risk being excluded from the CFP. Sources have leaned toward the latter....


The Big Ten and SEC have made it clear the next contract will be more financially favorable than the current one, where 80% of the money is split evenly among the Power 5 leagues. Four power conferences remain following sweeping realignment, and the Big Ten and SEC have a combined 34 teams.

Sources told ESPN last month that discussions have centered around the SEC and Big Ten earning somewhere between 25% and 30% of the CFP revenue. The ACC and Big 12 would be next, and they'd earn somewhere between 15% and 20%. That leaves a smaller chunk -- somewhere around 6% to 10% for the other leagues and nearly 1% for Notre Dame...."

Does seem a little greedy so that 12 years later the G5 barely get any more in nominal dollars while the total more than doubles. The CPI has increased 37% in the last 12 years and the cost of running an athletic program has vastly increased and will soon increase even more. Meanwhile, the P2 has more than doubled the value of their TV contracts. On the other hand, the G5 lost 4 of their best members and will only contribute 8% of the participants. So maybe this amount is reasonable.

I think we end up with 27-27-20-20-6 % ratio for payouts. g5 are stuck with take it or leave it option, perhaps they leave it, perhaps they take it, but it will have zero impact on the offer from ESPN. ie, if they "leave it" then ND still gets their 1% and the P4 gets to divvy up another 5%.

I'm not certain of it, but I hope that the final breakdown is 5-9 for playoff spots.

(03-13-2024 12:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I think we end up with 27-27-20-20-6 % ratio for payouts. g5 are stuck with take it or leave it option, perhaps they leave it, perhaps they take it, but it will have zero impact on the offer from ESPN. ie, if they "leave it" then ND still gets their 1% and the P4 gets to divvy up another 5%.

I'm not certain of it, but I hope that the final breakdown is 5-9 for playoff spots.

They got $102 million last year. They would need 8% to match that in a 1.3 billion deal. 9% would give them $117 million. So I guess they are at 8 or 9% right now in the negotiations.

It’s interesting that the pushback on revenue distribution that is mentioned in the article is from the G5. I would expect that the ACC, B12 and ND would be more important stakeholders on revenue issues. If the G5 is the biggest remaining hurdle, then they are close to a deal.

Another sign of how close they are to finishing…they’re discussing revenue distribution for non-power-level “independents”.

I’d like to see the G5 get at least 10% and the P2 at most 25%. Still sucks but they are our lords and betters.

(03-13-2024 12:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...enue-split

"...College Football Playoff leaders are "on target" to come to a resolution by the end of the week on a proposed revenue distribution and governance structure in the next contract, sources told ESPN, but some important conversations remain before they agree to sign a lucrative TV deal with ESPN.

Commissioners of the Mountain West Conference, Sun Belt, Mid-American Conference, Conference USA and American Athletic Conference aren't keen on the proposed revenue distribution, which sources said would limit the Group of 5 conferences from making any substantial increase in revenue in the next contract, which would begin in 2026. One source described it a "slight uptick; nominal."

The question is if there is enough pushback to delay or derail the progress -- or if those leagues are simply in a tough spot and have to acquiesce or risk being excluded from the CFP. Sources have leaned toward the latter....


The Big Ten and SEC have made it clear the next contract will be more financially favorable than the current one, where 80% of the money is split evenly among the Power 5 leagues. Four power conferences remain following sweeping realignment, and the Big Ten and SEC have a combined 34 teams.

Sources told ESPN last month that discussions have centered around the SEC and Big Ten earning somewhere between 25% and 30% of the CFP revenue. The ACC and Big 12 would be next, and they'd earn somewhere between 15% and 20%. That leaves a smaller chunk -- somewhere around 6% to 10% for the other leagues and nearly 1% for Notre Dame...."

Does seem a little greedy so that 12 years later the G5 barely get any more in nominal dollars while the total more than doubles. The CPI has increased 37% in the last 12 years and the cost of running an athletic program has vastly increased and will soon increase even more. Meanwhile, the P2 has more than doubled the value of their TV contracts. On the other hand, the G5 lost 4 of their best members and will only contribute 8% of the participants. So maybe this amount is reasonable.

Sounds like we are nearing the negotiated revenue split I figured we would get to. When its all said and done---I think it will something pretty close to P2-50%, M2-40%, ND+G5-10%. I think the reported CFP bid structure will probably be 3+3+2+2+1+3. I'd be fine with the champs of the B10, SEC, B12, ACC , and top G5 champ all get an AQ slot (basically 5 AQ's with 9 to 11 "at large" slots--depending if you want a 14 or 16 team playoff).

I've predicted for awhile:

SEC/B1G = 27.5%
Big 12/ACC = 17.5%
The Rest = 10%

(03-13-2024 02:29 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I've predicted for awhile:

SEC/B1G = 27.5%
Big 12/ACC = 17.5%
The Rest = 10%

Depending on how much of "The Rest" goes to ND vs. G5, those are closer to reasonable numbers.

Dellenger reports that a deal is close to being done.

SEC/B1G .... 29% each

ACC/nB12 ... 16% each

EDIT ... Article actually says 58% to SEC and B1G, and 32% for the M2. Does not break down by individual conference.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...45069.html

Seeing Notre Dame "grouped" with the G5 is a bit jarring.

(03-13-2024 03:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Dellenger reports that a deal is close to being done.

SEC/B1G .... 29% each

ACC/nB12 ... 16% each

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...45069.html

Wow! Just no works can describe the failure on the parts of the ACC and Big12 commissioners if this passes.

(03-13-2024 04:03 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Seeing Notre Dame "grouped" with the G5 is a bit jarring.

Well 1% is basically the same per school as the ACC and Big 12.

(03-13-2024 12:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...enue-split

Commissioners of the Mountain West Conference, Sun Belt, Mid-American Conference, Conference USA and American Athletic Conference aren't keen on the proposed revenue distribution, which sources said would limit the Group of 5 conferences from making any substantial increase in revenue in the next contract, which would begin in 2026. One source described it a "slight uptick; nominal."

The question is if there is enough pushback to delay or derail the progress -- or if those leagues are simply in a tough spot and have to acquiesce or risk being excluded from the CFP. Sources have leaned toward the latter....

I'd love to see the G5 actually come together and fight against stuff like this. I'm tired of the "We'll do whatever you want, just please don't leave!" desperate response from all of them.

I feel like some of the P5 is going to try to break away from the G5 one day anyway, so why wait to challenge them? Force their hand now, not later. The G5 loses ground every time they refuse to stand together. Changing from 6+6 needed a unanimous vote, and the fact that all five G5 conferences willingly gave up two opportunities (one spot for two years) for their schools to fight for a national championship is borderline cowardly. Say "No" and advocate for what you want. The same can now be said of the ACC and Big 12.

And if the "P2" leaves? Who cares? They are probably going to try that one day anyway, probably while the G5 is still tiptoeing around it.

(03-13-2024 03:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Dellenger reports that a deal is close to being done.

SEC/B1G .... 29% each

ACC/nB12 ... 16% each

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...45069.html

Article does not say that B1G and SEC will get equal shares or that ACC and B12 will get equal shares.

Ross Wrote:In a proposal socialized with administrators over the last 10 days, the Big Ten and SEC would combine to earn about 58% of the CFP’s base distribution. The figure would greatly exceed the ACC and Big 12’s combined distribution number, which is expected to be around 32%.

I also don't expect these to be final. Dellenger's sources are coming from the SEC B1G camp.
I expect the breakdown to be:
B1G: 25
SEC: 24
ACC: 21
B12: 19
G5: 9.5
ND: 1.5

(03-13-2024 04:05 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-13-2024 03:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Dellenger reports that a deal is close to being done.

SEC/B1G .... 29% each

ACC/nB12 ... 16% each

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...45069.html

Wow! Just no works can describe the failure on the parts of the ACC and Big12 commissioners if this passes.

With the contract bowls going away, it had to be at least a 5% advantage for the Big 10 and SEC to make them whole.

They are talking about the participants in the CFP, but the 17-12-7-2 is on a 4 team model, not 12. With 12 or 14, its not so lopsided. Big 10 37 (42 for 14), SEC 35 (42 for 14), Big 12 19 (22 for 14), ACC 15 (20 for 14).
% in 12 (14) team fields:
Big Ten-30.8% (30.0%)
SEC- 29.2% (30.0%)
Big 12- 15.8% (15.7%)
ACC- 12.5% (14.3%)
G5-8.3% (7.1%)
ND-3.3% (2.9%)

If you try to compare market by TV contracts, the Big 12 is at $32 million and the ACC at roughly $24 + $10-$12 ACCN. The SEC is $44 + $10-$15 SECN. The Big 10 will be around $70 million. So the Big 12 and ACC are roughly 60% of the SEC and half the Big 10. 60% of 29% (the suggested SEC/Big 10 split) is 17.4%. The 16% proposed is 55%. From that perspective, the Big 12 and ACC should try for 28/28/17/17.

The SEC and Big Ten are getting near the top of what they could justify. But it can be justified.

(03-13-2024 04:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-13-2024 04:05 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-13-2024 03:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Dellenger reports that a deal is close to being done.

SEC/B1G .... 29% each

ACC/nB12 ... 16% each

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...45069.html

Wow! Just no works can describe the failure on the parts of the ACC and Big12 commissioners if this passes.

With the contract bowls going away, it had to be at least a 5% advantage for the Big 10 and SEC to make them whole.

They are talking about the participants in the CFP, but the 17-12-7-2 is on a 4 team model, not 12. With 12 or 14, its not so lopsided. Big 10 37 (42 for 14), SEC 35 (42 for 14), Big 12 19 (22 for 14), ACC 15 (20 for 14).
% in 12 (14) team fields:
Big Ten-30.8% (30.0%)
SEC- 29.2% (30.0%)
Big 12- 15.8% (15.7%)
ACC- 12.5% (14.3%)
G5-8.3% (7.1%)
ND-3.3% (2.9%)

If you try to compare market by TV contracts, the Big 12 is at $32 million and the ACC at roughly $24 + $10-$12 ACCN. The SEC is $44 + $10-$15 SECN. The Big 10 will be around $70 million. So the Big 12 and ACC are roughly 60% of the SEC and half the Big 10. 60% of 29% (the suggested SEC/Big 10 split) is 17.4%. The 16% proposed is 55%. From that perspective, the Big 12 and ACC should try for 28/28/17/17.

The SEC and Big Ten are getting near the top of what they could justify. But it can be justified.

The ACC as of 2024 will have a ACCN distribution of about $15m per member, $24m from ESPN seems about right, might be slightly less.

If this is the determining factor then the ACC and Big12 just relegated themselves and it would help support FSU's claims that the ACC was negligent in their fiduciary duties (which they deny they have). FSU signed off to being first: In a BCS conference, Second: In a P5 conference, there is no way the ACC could or should take a smaller cut, there is no way to come back from being in a relegated conference, you simply move up into a better conference. This would be so dumb.

Time for G5 to Stand and Fight.

I would rather go down fighting and clawing--than to submit to being treated as FOURTH class participants.

G5 (66 schools) will go from 20% to LESS than 10% if this is finalized.

A giant "pay cut" at a time when costs have greatly increased.

The amount of Pure Greed is sickening.

(03-13-2024 04:53 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-13-2024 04:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-13-2024 04:05 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-13-2024 03:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Dellenger reports that a deal is close to being done.

SEC/B1G .... 29% each

ACC/nB12 ... 16% each

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...45069.html

Wow! Just no works can describe the failure on the parts of the ACC and Big12 commissioners if this passes.

With the contract bowls going away, it had to be at least a 5% advantage for the Big 10 and SEC to make them whole.

They are talking about the participants in the CFP, but the 17-12-7-2 is on a 4 team model, not 12. With 12 or 14, its not so lopsided. Big 10 37 (42 for 14), SEC 35 (42 for 14), Big 12 19 (22 for 14), ACC 15 (20 for 14).
% in 12 (14) team fields:
Big Ten-30.8% (30.0%)
SEC- 29.2% (30.0%)
Big 12- 15.8% (15.7%)
ACC- 12.5% (14.3%)
G5-8.3% (7.1%)
ND-3.3% (2.9%)

If you try to compare market by TV contracts, the Big 12 is at $32 million and the ACC at roughly $24 + $10-$12 ACCN. The SEC is $44 + $10-$15 SECN. The Big 10 will be around $70 million. So the Big 12 and ACC are roughly 60% of the SEC and half the Big 10. 60% of 29% (the suggested SEC/Big 10 split) is 17.4%. The 16% proposed is 55%. From that perspective, the Big 12 and ACC should try for 28/28/17/17.

The SEC and Big Ten are getting near the top of what they could justify. But it can be justified.

The ACC as of 2024 will have a ACCN distribution of about $15m per member, $24m from ESPN seems about right, might be slightly less.

If this is the determining factor then the ACC and Big12 just relegated themselves and it would help support FSU's claims that the ACC was negligent in their fiduciary duties (which they deny they have). FSU signed off to being first: In a BCS conference, Second: In a P5 conference, there is no way the ACC could or should take a smaller cut, there is no way to come back from being in a relegated conference, you simply move up into a better conference. This would be so dumb.

On the ESPN distribution I used the figures from the FSU filing, escalated by the 4.5% and figured out the 6 year's average starting with 2025-6.

(03-13-2024 04:05 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-13-2024 03:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Dellenger reports that a deal is close to being done.

SEC/B1G .... 29% each

ACC/nB12 ... 16% each

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...45069.html

Wow! Just no works can describe the failure on the parts of the ACC and Big12 commissioners if this passes.

That was what was socialized 10 days ago. Those most likely changed and since the ACC/ Big12 voted unanimously, they must have received better figures.