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I never thought speculating on attempting to enhance the non conference schedule would be such a divisive topic.

Anyways I expect that they will attempt to enhance it to a degree, hopefully along a horizon that lines up with their window of relevancy.

(03-11-2024 12:29 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:24 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  TribeinVB- I do not think they are idiots

Y’all make fun of JMU or whatever. I would kill to have that season. They won a bunch of games. Are fun to watch. Students go to the games, they score a bunch of points. It’s Entertainment! How about ODU figures out how to put a good product on the court and win games before they start worrying about scheduling and at large bids.

Yes, this was the holy grail season for JMU. They were able to get all the seniors lined up a transfer and put their best season ever together. Luckily for them, they get to face Arkansas State instead of App State, but how pissed would we be if we had the talent to potentially get an at large but scheduled a round robin regular season games of MEAC schools preventing them the opportunity to have an at large?

If you take our schedule and win 26+ games, you have a shot.

We should always have a schedule good enough for us to get an at-large with 25+ wins. We should also be good enough for that to be a possibility most of the time. We wouldnt have finished in the top half of the CAA this year though, so we should be working on winning first. Id give our Monarchs a decent but not brutal schedule next year, and plan to have a more challenging one in 25 to set us up for the post season.

(03-11-2024 12:28 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Things like NET and Kenpom will keep those teams that were getting at large bids 15 years ago out of the tournament now. Sorry that’s just how I see it. Y’all don’t like the schedule this year, but if you substitute Richmond and VCU in place of say William and Mary/ Radford… that’s as good a schedule as we are ever going to play. I don’t see it getting much better.

Well that settles it, we should just give up.

If that’s how you want to perceive it then fine. I simply want the team to put a good product on the court and contend for the conf championship. The last 5 years have been nothing but crap basketball and a disinterested fanbase. Let’s put one foot in front of the other and get good at basketball again. It’s not impossible to get an at large but it’s a lot harder than it was in 2010. Let’s start by playing some basketball that gets people excited again.

I want a tough schedule and 30 wins. Make it happen. HCMJ = High Competition Means Junket.

(03-11-2024 12:23 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:17 PM)TribeinVB Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 10:54 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Ah, I know many of my punches aren't landing here but I'll try one more.

Yes it would be awesome if the entire SBC scheduled better but might not be realistic. Almost as good would be for ODUs East partners to schedule better.

Wood could grab JMU, App St, Marshall, Georgia St, Georgia Southern...teams we play twice a year (I think) and tell them...I want you to know we back up! How do we strengthen ourselves collectively?

1. End H/H with teams from inferior conferences (like 15th RPI and on)
2. Do not schedule a team at home that you can lose to
3. Play sub 100 Net P5 schools on the road
4. [b]Do damage in those holiday tournaments[/b]

If we did number one and two, we would have had few to no home non-conference games for the last several years. Isn't #2 what schools like us complain about from the P4? Seems ridiculous to complain about P4s not wanting to play good mid-majors even at home (resulting in mid-majors being unable to get the resume building wins they need for an at large) and then turn around make it your scheduling philosophy. For 3, do you really think we don't try and do this? For 4, I am sure no one at ODU has ever thought of this. Cmon, do you really think the coaches and people in charge of scheduling are idiots?

Well that settles it, we should just give up.

Give up what? No one is saying we should just give up and quit trying to put together a nice home schedule, but no one should be saying that because we can't get a P4 or a good G5 to come to the Ted its because the admins and coaches are not trying hard enough.

(03-11-2024 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:29 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:24 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  TribeinVB- I do not think they are idiots

Y’all make fun of JMU or whatever. I would kill to have that season. They won a bunch of games. Are fun to watch. Students go to the games, they score a bunch of points. It’s Entertainment! How about ODU figures out how to put a good product on the court and win games before they start worrying about scheduling and at large bids.

Yes, this was the holy grail season for JMU. They were able to get all the seniors lined up a transfer and put their best season ever together. Luckily for them, they get to face Arkansas State instead of App State, but how pissed would we be if we had the talent to potentially get an at large but scheduled a round robin regular season games of MEAC schools preventing them the opportunity to have an at large?

If you take our schedule and win 26+ games, you have a shot.

Yes I agree with this. I’m not saying we shouldn’t shoot for a good schedule. We certainly played a much better schedule than JMU. But they still blasted us 3 times. It’s much more important to me to actually play good basketball. I’m not saying the schedule isn’t important, but being good is much more important. And If ODU won 26 games this year they still aren’t getting an at large… don’t kid yourself.

(03-11-2024 02:57 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:29 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:24 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  TribeinVB- I do not think they are idiots

Y’all make fun of JMU or whatever. I would kill to have that season. They won a bunch of games. Are fun to watch. Students go to the games, they score a bunch of points. It’s Entertainment! How about ODU figures out how to put a good product on the court and win games before they start worrying about scheduling and at large bids.

Yes, this was the holy grail season for JMU. They were able to get all the seniors lined up a transfer and put their best season ever together. Luckily for them, they get to face Arkansas State instead of App State, but how pissed would we be if we had the talent to potentially get an at large but scheduled a round robin regular season games of MEAC schools preventing them the opportunity to have an at large?

If you take our schedule and win 26+ games, you have a shot.

Yes I agree with this. I’m not saying we shouldn’t shoot for a good schedule. We certainly played a much better schedule than JMU. But they still blasted us 3 times. It’s much more important to me to actually play good basketball. I’m not saying the schedule isn’t important, but being good is much more important. And If ODU won 26 games this year they still aren’t getting an at large… don’t kid yourself.

While I don't think we would be in, we would very much be in the conversation. JMU has a must win tonight.

Granted, I agree. I want to win. Im not as concerned about the schedule as others and I think we schedule based on whats best for our team (not sending a young team to the wood shed, etc). Schedule tough if you have 5 seniors or whatever JMU has.

(03-11-2024 02:43 PM)TribeinVB Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:23 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:17 PM)TribeinVB Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 10:54 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Ah, I know many of my punches aren't landing here but I'll try one more.

Yes it would be awesome if the entire SBC scheduled better but might not be realistic. Almost as good would be for ODUs East partners to schedule better.

Wood could grab JMU, App St, Marshall, Georgia St, Georgia Southern...teams we play twice a year (I think) and tell them...I want you to know we back up! How do we strengthen ourselves collectively?

1. End H/H with teams from inferior conferences (like 15th RPI and on)
2. Do not schedule a team at home that you can lose to
3. Play sub 100 Net P5 schools on the road
4. [b]Do damage in those holiday tournaments[/b]

If we did number one and two, we would have had few to no home non-conference games for the last several years. Isn't #2 what schools like us complain about from the P4? Seems ridiculous to complain about P4s not wanting to play good mid-majors even at home (resulting in mid-majors being unable to get the resume building wins they need for an at large) and then turn around make it your scheduling philosophy. For 3, do you really think we don't try and do this? For 4, I am sure no one at ODU has ever thought of this. Cmon, do you really think the coaches and people in charge of scheduling are idiots?

Well that settles it, we should just give up.

Give up what? No one is saying we should just give up and quit trying to put together a nice home schedule, but no one should be saying that because we can't get a P4 or a good G5 to come to the Ted its because the admins and coaches are not trying hard enough.

I hope you aren't implying that I said that.

I know who made the schedule. I've never once questioned/suggested that they weren't doing their job correctly. Message boards can be a lot of throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks and some of it gets lost in translation. I throw a lot of stuff against the wall.

(03-11-2024 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:29 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:24 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  TribeinVB- I do not think they are idiots

Y’all make fun of JMU or whatever. I would kill to have that season. They won a bunch of games. Are fun to watch. Students go to the games, they score a bunch of points. It’s Entertainment! How about ODU figures out how to put a good product on the court and win games before they start worrying about scheduling and at large bids.

Yes, this was the holy grail season for JMU. They were able to get all the seniors lined up a transfer and put their best season ever together. Luckily for them, they get to face Arkansas State instead of App State, but how pissed would we be if we had the talent to potentially get an at large but scheduled a round robin regular season games of MEAC schools preventing them the opportunity to have an at large?

If you take our schedule and win 26+ games, you have a shot.

You call it luck. Some might call it roster management.

(03-11-2024 12:48 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:28 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:27 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Things like NET and Kenpom will keep those teams that were getting at large bids 15 years ago out of the tournament now. Sorry that’s just how I see it. Y’all don’t like the schedule this year, but if you substitute Richmond and VCU in place of say William and Mary/ Radford… that’s as good a schedule as we are ever going to play. I don’t see it getting much better.

Well that settles it, we should just give up.

If that’s how you want to perceive it then fine. I simply want the team to put a good product on the court and contend for the conf championship. The last 5 years have been nothing but crap basketball and a disinterested fanbase. Let’s put one foot in front of the other and get good at basketball again. It’s not impossible to get an at large but it’s a lot harder than it was in 2010. Let’s start by playing some basketball that gets people excited again.

That's fair, I just think one step in the process to elevate the program is improving the schedule. True, this conversation is a bit of a cart before horse situation. We need to win games first, then raise the scheduling profile. So let's check that first box and then move on to the second.

(03-11-2024 04:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:29 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:24 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  TribeinVB- I do not think they are idiots

Y’all make fun of JMU or whatever. I would kill to have that season. They won a bunch of games. Are fun to watch. Students go to the games, they score a bunch of points. It’s Entertainment! How about ODU figures out how to put a good product on the court and win games before they start worrying about scheduling and at large bids.

Yes, this was the holy grail season for JMU. They were able to get all the seniors lined up a transfer and put their best season ever together. Luckily for them, they get to face Arkansas State instead of App State, but how pissed would we be if we had the talent to potentially get an at large but scheduled a round robin regular season games of MEAC schools preventing them the opportunity to have an at large?

If you take our schedule and win 26+ games, you have a shot.

You call it luck. Some might call it roster management.

Facing Arkansas State instead of App State is roster management?

(03-11-2024 04:20 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:29 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:24 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  TribeinVB- I do not think they are idiots

Y’all make fun of JMU or whatever. I would kill to have that season. They won a bunch of games. Are fun to watch. Students go to the games, they score a bunch of points. It’s Entertainment! How about ODU figures out how to put a good product on the court and win games before they start worrying about scheduling and at large bids.

Yes, this was the holy grail season for JMU. They were able to get all the seniors lined up a transfer and put their best season ever together. Luckily for them, they get to face Arkansas State instead of App State, but how pissed would we be if we had the talent to potentially get an at large but scheduled a round robin regular season games of MEAC schools preventing them the opportunity to have an at large?

If you take our schedule and win 26+ games, you have a shot.

You call it luck. Some might call it roster management.

Facing Arkansas State instead of App State is roster management?

No, having a senior laden roster and plugging in a really good transfer is, though.

(03-11-2024 04:22 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:20 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:29 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Y’all make fun of JMU or whatever. I would kill to have that season. They won a bunch of games. Are fun to watch. Students go to the games, they score a bunch of points. It’s Entertainment! How about ODU figures out how to put a good product on the court and win games before they start worrying about scheduling and at large bids.

Yes, this was the holy grail season for JMU. They were able to get all the seniors lined up a transfer and put their best season ever together. Luckily for them, they get to face Arkansas State instead of App State, but how pissed would we be if we had the talent to potentially get an at large but scheduled a round robin regular season games of MEAC schools preventing them the opportunity to have an at large?

If you take our schedule and win 26+ games, you have a shot.

You call it luck. Some might call it roster management.

Facing Arkansas State instead of App State is roster management?

No, having a senior laden roster and plugging in a really good transfer is, though.

Well, obviously. The lucky part was facing Arkansas State.

(03-11-2024 04:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:22 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:20 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 04:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yes, this was the holy grail season for JMU. They were able to get all the seniors lined up a transfer and put their best season ever together. Luckily for them, they get to face Arkansas State instead of App State, but how pissed would we be if we had the talent to potentially get an at large but scheduled a round robin regular season games of MEAC schools preventing them the opportunity to have an at large?

If you take our schedule and win 26+ games, you have a shot.

You call it luck. Some might call it roster management.

Facing Arkansas State instead of App State is roster management?

No, having a senior laden roster and plugging in a really good transfer is, though.

Well, obviously. The lucky part was facing Arkansas State.

Arkansas State has won 11 of their last 13 games. Playing their best when it matters most.

Not just a bunch of seniors. Yes they have senior laden team. But I see a starting point guard sophomore from Williamsburg no less that’s been great in this tournament. And the freshman big man Carrey is a beast.

Well, JMU wins the Southern ... er, I mean the Sun Belt Conference.

On scheduling, I don’t foresee a whole lot of “changes” for the 2024-2025 season, as I assume that a lot of the non conference schedule would have already have been in the works. With that, I’m not putting the status of whether or not next season’s schedule is good/bad on MJ & staff. I would hope that starting 2025-2026 we would see the MJ affect in the scheduling. Does anyone here have any insights? I would think maybe 1 or 2 games would be scheduled to fill out their current games for this upcoming season.

(03-11-2024 08:25 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  On scheduling, I don’t foresee a whole lot of “changes” for the 2024-2025 season, as I assume that a lot of the non conference schedule would have already have been in the works. With that, I’m not putting the status of whether or not next season’s schedule is good/bad on MJ & staff. I would hope that starting 2025-2026 we would see the MJ affect in the scheduling. Does anyone here have any insights? I would think maybe 1 or 2 games would be scheduled to fill out their current games for this upcoming season.

We’re doing a season recap tomorrow with Kieran. Will be able to ask him about that.

(03-11-2024 07:55 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  Well, JMU wins the Southern ... er, I mean the Sun Belt Conference.

It’s darn surprising to see them have the year they’ve had across the board. And only 3 pts from a women’s championship too. It’s like they’ve become ODU before Wood got here. We switched places.