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i wish this team had jaevin cumberland

(03-02-2024 11:31 AM)Lush Wrote:  i wish this team had jaevin cumberland

This team desperately needed shooting and secondary ball handing. Not getting Landers back then missing on Estrada probably prevented this from being a top 25 type team.

(03-02-2024 10:00 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 09:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Brannen was the world's laziest damned hire. Wes wasn't.

Bolded, agreed. His credentials were very impressive and he possesses a passion and likeability that was a welcome change. He faced (and still faces) enormous challenges in rebuilding a historically great UC in the toughest conference ever.

I'll feel a lot better with two home wins to end the season. Regardless, it's time to stay the course and evaluate success one year from now.

When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

(03-02-2024 02:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 10:00 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 09:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Brannen was the world's laziest damned hire. Wes wasn't.

Bolded, agreed. His credentials were very impressive and he possesses a passion and likeability that was a welcome change. He faced (and still faces) enormous challenges in rebuilding a historically great UC in the toughest conference ever.

I'll feel a lot better with two home wins to end the season. Regardless, it's time to stay the course and evaluate success one year from now.

When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

Both hires were reaches for a program like UC. Wes Miller’s lack of high major experience as either or head coach or assistant made is hire puzzling. Both Brannen and Miller missed a step in the promotion process. For Brannen and Miller both could have benefited from coaching at the A-10 or C-USA ( pre-AAC raid) level. Wes more than Brannen really could benefited from being an ACC or SEC associate head coach under a really successful coach. Wes absolutely needs to improve his staff this off season. I would love it if he was able to grab a top assistant from another power conference school that has been really successful or grab a somewhat successful former head coach that is looking to get back into coaching.

Ah, the halcyon days of people being excited about Brannen having a system suited for deep NCAA runs. Fans are the best.

(03-02-2024 02:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 10:00 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 09:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Brannen was the world's laziest damned hire. Wes wasn't.

Bolded, agreed. His credentials were very impressive and he possesses a passion and likeability that was a welcome change. He faced (and still faces) enormous challenges in rebuilding a historically great UC in the toughest conference ever.

I'll feel a lot better with two home wins to end the season. Regardless, it's time to stay the course and evaluate success one year from now.

When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

Rumor I heard was that Bohn was okay with Cronin leaving (and even wanted him gone) because he thought he had an ace up his sleeve with Frank Martin. Bohn and Martin had an agreement and UC President Pinto stepped in and said no.

Then Bohn proceeded to not do a search and just hired the guy down the street.

(03-02-2024 02:55 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 02:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 10:00 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 09:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Brannen was the world's laziest damned hire. Wes wasn't.

Bolded, agreed. His credentials were very impressive and he possesses a passion and likeability that was a welcome change. He faced (and still faces) enormous challenges in rebuilding a historically great UC in the toughest conference ever.

I'll feel a lot better with two home wins to end the season. Regardless, it's time to stay the course and evaluate success one year from now.

When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

Both hires were reaches for a program like UC. Wes Miller’s lack of high major experience as either or head coach or assistant made is hire puzzling. Both Brannen and Miller missed a step in the promotion process. For Brannen and Miller both could have benefited from coaching at the A-10 or C-USA ( pre-AAC raid) level. Wes more than Brannen really could benefited from being an ACC or SEC associate head coach under a really successful coach. Wes absolutely needs to improve his staff this off season. I would love it if he was able to grab a top assistant from another power conference school that has been really successful or grab a somewhat successful former head coach that is looking to get back into coaching.

Nothing about Wes Miller was a “reach” for UC in the AAC. No high major coach was leaving their job to coach in that league unless they were trying to get out before getting fired or wanted to collect a few more paychecks until retirement.

Wes was considered one of the best up and coming coaches and the hire was celebrated by just about everyone across the college basketball landscape.

(03-03-2024 09:08 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 02:55 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 02:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 10:00 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 09:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Brannen was the world's laziest damned hire. Wes wasn't.

Bolded, agreed. His credentials were very impressive and he possesses a passion and likeability that was a welcome change. He faced (and still faces) enormous challenges in rebuilding a historically great UC in the toughest conference ever.

I'll feel a lot better with two home wins to end the season. Regardless, it's time to stay the course and evaluate success one year from now.

When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

Both hires were reaches for a program like UC. Wes Miller’s lack of high major experience as either or head coach or assistant made is hire puzzling. Both Brannen and Miller missed a step in the promotion process. For Brannen and Miller both could have benefited from coaching at the A-10 or C-USA ( pre-AAC raid) level. Wes more than Brannen really could benefited from being an ACC or SEC associate head coach under a really successful coach. Wes absolutely needs to improve his staff this off season. I would love it if he was able to grab a top assistant from another power conference school that has been really successful or grab a somewhat successful former head coach that is looking to get back into coaching.

Nothing about Wes Miller was a “reach” for UC in the AAC. No high major coach was leaving their job to coach in that league unless they were trying to get out before getting fired or wanted to collect a few more paychecks until retirement.

Wes was considered one of the best up and coming coaches and the hire was celebrated by just about everyone across the college basketball landscape.

Agree. Hell, he was recruiting better there than we were here.

(03-03-2024 09:03 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 02:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 10:00 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 09:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Brannen was the world's laziest damned hire. Wes wasn't.

Bolded, agreed. His credentials were very impressive and he possesses a passion and likeability that was a welcome change. He faced (and still faces) enormous challenges in rebuilding a historically great UC in the toughest conference ever.

I'll feel a lot better with two home wins to end the season. Regardless, it's time to stay the course and evaluate success one year from now.

When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

Rumor I heard was that Bohn was okay with Cronin leaving (and even wanted him gone) because he thought he had an ace up his sleeve with Frank Martin. Bohn and Martin had an agreement and UC President Pinto stepped in and said no.

Then Bohn proceeded to not do a search and just hired the guy down the street.

Bolded, exactly what I was told by someone who was privy to what was going on at the time. Brannen was the contingency plan and for all we know Bohn was already California Dreamin'.

It's probably fair to say that the whole Covid situation created a worst case scenario given Brannen's personal style during a time of player isolation. But it was hard to warm up to the guy as fans. Of course most of us would have changed our opinions if he'd stuck around and delivered a win over Houston and a surprising Elite Eight run. It's our right as fans to be fickle.

(03-03-2024 04:13 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 09:03 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 02:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 10:00 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 09:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Brannen was the world's laziest damned hire. Wes wasn't.

Bolded, agreed. His credentials were very impressive and he possesses a passion and likeability that was a welcome change. He faced (and still faces) enormous challenges in rebuilding a historically great UC in the toughest conference ever.

I'll feel a lot better with two home wins to end the season. Regardless, it's time to stay the course and evaluate success one year from now.

When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

Rumor I heard was that Bohn was okay with Cronin leaving (and even wanted him gone) because he thought he had an ace up his sleeve with Frank Martin. Bohn and Martin had an agreement and UC President Pinto stepped in and said no.

Then Bohn proceeded to not do a search and just hired the guy down the street.

Bolded, exactly what I was told by someone who was privy to what was going on at the time. Brannen was the contingency plan and for all we know Bohn was already California Dreamin'.

It's probably fair to say that the whole Covid situation created a worst case scenario given Brannen's personal style during a time of player isolation. But it was hard to warm up to the guy as fans. Of course most of us would have changed our opinions if he'd stuck around and delivered a win over Houston and a surprising Elite Eight run. It's our right as fans to be fickle.

Why did Pinto not want Martin?

(03-03-2024 08:47 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 04:13 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 09:03 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 02:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 10:00 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  [/b]

Bolded, agreed. His credentials were very impressive and he possesses a passion and likeability that was a welcome change. He faced (and still faces) enormous challenges in rebuilding a historically great UC in the toughest conference ever.

I'll feel a lot better with two home wins to end the season. Regardless, it's time to stay the course and evaluate success one year from now.

When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

Rumor I heard was that Bohn was okay with Cronin leaving (and even wanted him gone) because he thought he had an ace up his sleeve with Frank Martin. Bohn and Martin had an agreement and UC President Pinto stepped in and said no.

Then Bohn proceeded to not do a search and just hired the guy down the street.

Bolded, exactly what I was told by someone who was privy to what was going on at the time. Brannen was the contingency plan and for all we know Bohn was already California Dreamin'.

It's probably fair to say that the whole Covid situation created a worst case scenario given Brannen's personal style during a time of player isolation. But it was hard to warm up to the guy as fans. Of course most of us would have changed our opinions if he'd stuck around and delivered a win over Houston and a surprising Elite Eight run. It's our right as fans to be fickle.

Why did Pinto not want Martin?

I can't state it as "fact" but I was told it was because Martin came from the Huggins coaching tree and UC leadership wanted to distance the program from that.

Was that rational? I don't know. One could argue Cronin came from Huggins' staff as well and he ran a very clean program.

I remember hearing about the interest in Martin and still don't understand it to this day. Maybe he would have done better here, but he really hadn't done much aside from that fluke final four run. He hasn't made the tournament since and is now at UMASS. I had no problem picking Brannen over him and certainly would rather have Miller at this juncture.

(03-04-2024 08:55 AM)The Big O Wrote:  I remember hearing about the interest in Martin and still don't understand it to this day. Maybe he would have done better here, but he really hadn't done much aside from that fluke final four run. He hasn't made the tournament since and is now at UMASS. I had no problem picking Brannen over him and certainly would rather have Miller at this juncture.

I agree.

Martin has had one NCAA appearance in the last 12 years.

That doesn't scream "ace" to me. That sounds worse than rolling the dice with any generic mid-major coach in his mid-40s with 2 NCAA appearances in the past 3-4 years.

(03-04-2024 10:06 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 08:55 AM)The Big O Wrote:  I remember hearing about the interest in Martin and still don't understand it to this day. Maybe he would have done better here, but he really hadn't done much aside from that fluke final four run. He hasn't made the tournament since and is now at UMASS. I had no problem picking Brannen over him and certainly would rather have Miller at this juncture.

I agree.

Martin has had one NCAA appearance in the last 12 years.

That doesn't scream "ace" to me. That sounds worse than rolling the dice with any generic mid-major coach in his mid-40s with 2 NCAA appearances in the past 3-4 years.

While I would have been skeptical of the Frank Martin hire, you're looking at the 5 seasons since when you make that claim. At the time, he was 2 years removed from a final four. He'd been to another elite 8 and then the round of 32 3 more times in his, at that time, 12 seasons as a head coach. And he inherited a pretty abysmal South Carolina program. The program had 1 NCAA tournament appearance since 1999 when he took the job in 2013.

(03-04-2024 10:26 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 10:06 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 08:55 AM)The Big O Wrote:  I remember hearing about the interest in Martin and still don't understand it to this day. Maybe he would have done better here, but he really hadn't done much aside from that fluke final four run. He hasn't made the tournament since and is now at UMASS. I had no problem picking Brannen over him and certainly would rather have Miller at this juncture.

I agree.

Martin has had one NCAA appearance in the last 12 years.

That doesn't scream "ace" to me. That sounds worse than rolling the dice with any generic mid-major coach in his mid-40s with 2 NCAA appearances in the past 3-4 years.

While I would have been skeptical of the Frank Martin hire, you're looking at the 5 seasons since when you make that claim. At the time, he was 2 years removed from a final four. He'd been to another elite 8 and then the round of 32 3 more times in his, at that time, 12 seasons as a head coach. And he inherited a pretty abysmal South Carolina program. The program had 1 NCAA tournament appearance since 1999 when he took the job in 2013.

Good point.

Although you just reminded me that UC hasn't been to the NCAA tournament in 5 years. Is it too early for day drinking on a Monday?

Imagine the faux outrage from X fans if Martin had returned to UC?

The same X fans who cling to the idea that their program occupies some higher moral ground in this city but welcomed Sean Miller back with open arms after his widely publicized AZ scandal.

From my observations, Wes Miller is building a program with integrity and is highly respected by both other coaches in the profession (including HOF Coach Roy Williams) and media commentators.

(03-04-2024 08:48 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 08:47 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 04:13 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 09:03 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 02:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

Rumor I heard was that Bohn was okay with Cronin leaving (and even wanted him gone) because he thought he had an ace up his sleeve with Frank Martin. Bohn and Martin had an agreement and UC President Pinto stepped in and said no.

Then Bohn proceeded to not do a search and just hired the guy down the street.

Bolded, exactly what I was told by someone who was privy to what was going on at the time. Brannen was the contingency plan and for all we know Bohn was already California Dreamin'.

It's probably fair to say that the whole Covid situation created a worst case scenario given Brannen's personal style during a time of player isolation. But it was hard to warm up to the guy as fans. Of course most of us would have changed our opinions if he'd stuck around and delivered a win over Houston and a surprising Elite Eight run. It's our right as fans to be fickle.

Why did Pinto not want Martin?

I can't state it as "fact" but I was told it was because Martin came from the Huggins coaching tree and UC leadership wanted to distance the program from that.

Was that rational? I don't know. One could argue Cronin came from Huggins' staff as well and he ran a very clean program.

Martin is also a complete maniac on the sidelines. He had some conflict with the Kansas St. administration, which is why he left there. And his teams at South Carolina were NIT quality or worse, except for the one year they were a 7 seed and made a crazy run to the Final 4. That he was being considered was ridiculous.

(03-04-2024 10:37 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Imagine the faux outrage from X fans if Martin had returned to UC?

The same X fans who cling to the idea that their program occupies some higher moral ground in this city but welcomed Sean Miller back with open arms after his widely publicized AZ scandal.

From my observations, Wes Miller is building a program with integrity and is highly respected by both other coaches in the profession (including HOF Coach Roy Williams) and media commentators.

I like Wes, but it doesn't seem like he is getting much respect from officiating crews yet.

(03-04-2024 08:48 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 08:47 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 04:13 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 09:03 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 02:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  When we hired him I said if his resume was exactly the same except he was at Wisconsin Green Bay instead of NKU we wouldn't have ever heard his name.

He was a silly hire in real time. Peter Principle.

Rumor I heard was that Bohn was okay with Cronin leaving (and even wanted him gone) because he thought he had an ace up his sleeve with Frank Martin. Bohn and Martin had an agreement and UC President Pinto stepped in and said no.

Then Bohn proceeded to not do a search and just hired the guy down the street.

Bolded, exactly what I was told by someone who was privy to what was going on at the time. Brannen was the contingency plan and for all we know Bohn was already California Dreamin'.

It's probably fair to say that the whole Covid situation created a worst case scenario given Brannen's personal style during a time of player isolation. But it was hard to warm up to the guy as fans. Of course most of us would have changed our opinions if he'd stuck around and delivered a win over Houston and a surprising Elite Eight run. It's our right as fans to be fickle.

Why did Pinto not want Martin?

I can't state it as "fact" but I was told it was because Martin came from the Huggins coaching tree and UC leadership wanted to distance the program from that.

Was that rational? I don't know. One could argue Cronin came from Huggins' staff as well and he ran a very clean program.

Not only Huggins. Cronin also worked for Pitino at Louisville --another paragon of virtue whose taint apparently didn't rub off on him.

UC also wasn’t in a position to be picky in 05. You had a grad of the school and one of the top up and coming young coaches who wanted to come here and was willing to sacrifice a few years to go through a massive rebuild in what was the toughest league in the country. It was a no-brainer, Huggins assistant or not.

Pitino over the years has had a lot of good things to say about UCs program but he even said he tried to talk Mick out of taking the UC job because the program was going to be in such bad shape.

Frank Martin would have been a “name” hire but I don’t think it would have worked out. He would have been better than Brannen no doubt but in the long run I think Wes will turn out to be a much better coach than Martin.