The Autobid rumors makes a lot more sense now that we are discussing expanding the playoff.

(02-21-2024 06:00 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

The Autobid rumors makes a lot more sense now that we are discussing expanding the playoff.

He's really kidding himself it he really thinks the SEC/Big Ten couldn't get more than 4 teams in. The 4 would be autobids. 5th place team could easily be in play for one of the final 6 teams.

(02-21-2024 06:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

They have 4 major decisions:

First-how do they weight the votes.
Second-format.
Third-how you split the revenue.
Fourth-how teams will be picked.

I suspect they will compromise quickly on the first and fourth. The second and third may be difficult.

Gonna go on record and say there is no way on GODs green Earth that the SEC/B1G will wind up with 4 auto qualifiers each year. Now if universal metrics were reached, sure I can easily see either conference having 4, but doubtful it would happen every year. But automatic for 4 from each conference, not gonna happen.

So is this… a reduction to 2 byes or a 4-team play-in?

I’m guessing fewer byes. The 4th best champ could easily be ranked outside the Top 10. Such a team probably shouldn’t get a bye. The conferences don’t really need to give the bowls bye teams.

So here's some discussion points about 14 teams as we speculate.

Bracket: will it be a bye for top 2 champs or adding 2 play-in games to the 12 team format?

1st round schedule, if top 2 byes: will it be split up into 2 weekends or all played in 1 weekend?

If ranking tiers still desired with top 2 byes format: 3-6 host, 7-10 neutral site, 11-14 on road or simply 3-8 host and 9-14 on road?

In regards to underlined, if presidents and commissioners wanted to keep all NY6 bowls in CFP (assuming quarterfinals stay on New Years) while attempting to make more money by bidding out semis in addition to championship game, this could work (Sugar and Rose should be permanently on NYD in my opinion and rotate the other 4 bowls).

I don't understand why 8 conferences would lie down and accept 4 auto-bids each for the SEC and Big Ten.

And if the answer is "because the SEC and Big Ten would leave if we don't pass it", let them leave. Seriously. That playoff sounds boring.

Last year the #4 B1G rep would be 4 loss Iowa. The year before, 6 loss Purdue!

Once again....ain't gonna happen

(02-21-2024 06:38 PM)otown Wrote:  Last year the #4 B1G rep would be 4 loss Iowa. The year before, 6 loss Purdue!

Once again....ain't gonna happen

except the Big Ten now has 4 more teams. This ain't the old Big Ten. Or SEC.

(02-21-2024 06:38 PM)otown Wrote:  Last year the #4 B1G rep would be 4 loss Iowa. The year before, 6 loss Purdue!

Once again....ain't gonna happen

While I don't support 4 autobids for B1G and SEC, it's worth noting that this is before the 4 PAC schools join so that will be less likely to occur, but definitely not impossible.

(02-21-2024 06:38 PM)otown Wrote:  Last year the #4 B1G rep would be 4 loss Iowa. The year before, 6 loss Purdue!

Once again....ain't gonna happen

You’re forgetting that the Big 10 just added 3 really good west coast teams and ok UCLA team. The top 4 Big 10 teams will be formidable.

Can you honestly think of a season where the pool of schools that will make up the M2/G5/ND produced more than 6 schools worthy of a top 14 playoff?

They will keep the byes or noone will play their championship game. The champ game losers are playing an extra game currently. So you move the playoff selection to the last week of the season. The top 4 champs and the top 4 losers. Then you have the highest G5 (they also played an extra game).

You add some wildcard games around conference championship weekend.

This makes sure teams aren't sandbagging in championship games, that the championship game losers like UGA aren't going up against a rested team after losing a close one. It makes conference races meaningful. Also keeps interest for everyone else later into the season.

This is the formula March Madness uses...you have spots earned through tournaments, spots given based on a commitee, and access to the "underdog".

(02-21-2024 06:18 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  So here's some discussion points about 14 teams as we speculate.

Bracket: will it be a bye for top 2 champs or adding 2 play-in games to the 12 team format?

1st round schedule, if top 2 byes: will it be split up into 2 weekends or all played in 1 weekend?

If ranking tiers still desired with top 2 byes format: 3-6 host, 7-10 neutral site, 11-14 on road or simply 3-8 host and 9-14 on road?

In regards to underlined, if presidents and commissioners wanted to keep all NY6 bowls in CFP (assuming quarterfinals stay on New Years) while attempting to make more money by bidding out semis in addition to championship game, this could work (Sugar and Rose should be permanently on NYD in my opinion and rotate the other 4 bowls).

KISS. Its a reduction to 2 byes.

I would think the ACC and the B12 request an autobid as well. They would give one bid to a G5 team as well. Then only three at large spots?

(02-21-2024 06:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:18 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  So here's some discussion points about 14 teams as we speculate.

Bracket: will it be a bye for top 2 champs or adding 2 play-in games to the 12 team format?

1st round schedule, if top 2 byes: will it be split up into 2 weekends or all played in 1 weekend?

If ranking tiers still desired with top 2 byes format: 3-6 host, 7-10 neutral site, 11-14 on road or simply 3-8 host and 9-14 on road?

In regards to underlined, if presidents and commissioners wanted to keep all NY6 bowls in CFP (assuming quarterfinals stay on New Years) while attempting to make more money by bidding out semis in addition to championship game, this could work (Sugar and Rose should be permanently on NYD in my opinion and rotate the other 4 bowls).

KISS. Its a reduction to 2 byes.

Yup. The byes for the SEC and BIG champs.

(02-21-2024 06:47 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:38 PM)otown Wrote:  Last year the #4 B1G rep would be 4 loss Iowa. The year before, 6 loss Purdue!

Once again....ain't gonna happen

You’re forgetting that the Big 10 just added 3 really good west coast teams and ok UCLA team. The top 4 Big 10 teams will be formidable.

Can you honestly think of a season where the pool of schools that will make up the M2/G5/ND produced more than 6 schools worthy of a top 14 playoff?

Try BCS rankings for 2009, only 6, but 9 of the top 17:
3 Cincinnati
4 TCU
6 Boise St.
(the rest of the top 6 were 2024 SEC schools)
9 Georgia Tech
12 Virginia Tech
14 BYU
15 Miami FL
16 West Virginia
17 Pitt

(02-21-2024 06:48 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  They will keep the byes or noone will play their championship game. The champ game losers are playing an extra game currently. So you move the playoff selection to the last week of the season. The top 4 champs and the top 4 losers. Then you have the highest G5 (they also played an extra game).

You add some wildcard games around conference championship weekend.

This makes sure teams aren't sandbagging in championship games, that the championship game losers like UGA aren't going up against a rested team after losing a close one. It makes conference races meaningful. Also keeps interest for everyone else later into the season.

This is the formula March Madness uses...you have spots earned through tournaments, spots given based on a commitee, and access to the "underdog".

they aren't going to kill the CCG. Way too much money involved. There's not going to be stupid ass wild card games on CCG weekend. That divides the attention way too much- and devalues the CCG. SEC and Big Ten aren't going for that at all.

(02-21-2024 06:16 PM)otown Wrote:  Gonna go on record and say there is no way on GODs green Earth that the SEC/B1G will wind up with 4 auto qualifiers each year. Now if universal metrics were reached, sure I can easily see either conference having 4, but doubtful it would happen every year. But automatic for 4 from each conference, not gonna happen.

I get that initial reaction—-but the SEC/Big10 hold so much leverage after the current deal expires—-they may very well have the ability to dictate terms that harsh. If they do it, I think we may see a 16 team playoff that throws everyone else a bone.