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The DOJ's report on Joe Biden's trove of classified documents is expected to result in no criminal charges. The special counsel report critiques how Biden handled classified documents, which he took with him after leaving the vice presidency, but says that crimes were not committed.

DOJ special counsel Jack Smith has brought charges, however, against Donald Trump for retaining classified documents after he left the presidency. Trump has stated that he was entitled to hold onto these documents due to the Presidential Records Act, which gives presidents the authority to designate documents for their personal use after leaving office. As VP, Biden had no claim to do the same. Trump was charged with 40 federal counts.

The report from Robert K Hur is expected in the coming days. Biden kept the documents in boxes in his garage in his Delaware home right near his Corvette as well as in other locations and offices. The Washington Post reports that while the report is expected, "prosecutors could decide to push it back."

Hur was appointed by Biden's attorney general Merrick Garland, who also appointed Smith. Biden was interviewed on the matter in the fall. Biden's aides told the Washington Post that "they believe the documents unintentionally ended up at Biden’s home and office because of sloppy staff work."

As for Trump, the DOJ alleges that he was "deliberately trying to mislead investigators as they demanded the government documents back." He faces federal prosecution and is scheduled to be tried for this in May.

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That can be easily explained by the two tiered justice system that we have here in the United States of slow Joe.

Anybody still willing to argue that we do not have a two-tiered justice system in the USA?

Rules for thee but not for me…these people need to be stripped of all authority and power

Quote:The U.S. Justice Department has a decades-old policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted ...

In 1973, in the midst of the Watergate scandal engulfing President Richard Nixon, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel adopted in an internal memo the position that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

The department reaffirmed the policy in a 2000 memo, saying court decisions in the intervening years had not changed its conclusion that a sitting president is "constitutionally immune" from indictment and criminal prosecution. It concluded that criminal charges against a president would "violate the constitutional separation of powers" delineating the authority of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the U.S. government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1QF1D2/

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(02-07-2024 07:39 PM)green Wrote:  

Quote:The U.S. Justice Department has a decades-old policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted ...

In 1973, in the midst of the Watergate scandal engulfing President Richard Nixon, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel adopted in an internal memo the position that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

The department reaffirmed the policy in a 2000 memo, saying court decisions in the intervening years had not changed its conclusion that a sitting president is "constitutionally immune" from indictment and criminal prosecution. It concluded that criminal charges against a president would "violate the constitutional separation of powers" delineating the authority of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the U.S. government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1QF1D2/

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how is 91 valid?! (where the fk is tanq-0-rang)

(02-07-2024 07:45 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 07:39 PM)green Wrote:  

Quote:The U.S. Justice Department has a decades-old policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted ...

In 1973, in the midst of the Watergate scandal engulfing President Richard Nixon, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel adopted in an internal memo the position that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

The department reaffirmed the policy in a 2000 memo, saying court decisions in the intervening years had not changed its conclusion that a sitting president is "constitutionally immune" from indictment and criminal prosecution. It concluded that criminal charges against a president would "violate the constitutional separation of powers" delineating the authority of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the U.S. government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1QF1D2/

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how is 91 valid?! (where the fk is tanq-0-rang)

Fuq that weasel. Whatever you do don't say his name 3 times.

(02-07-2024 07:45 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  where the fk is tanq-0-rang

Three theories - - in ascending order of likelihood:

—> tanq is a deluded, honestly believing himself to be the sole voice of reason on this benighted website. Someone who did his level best to explain the noble mysteries of the American justice system to the rest of us worthless cretins but just couldn’t break through. Shame on us. We would not listen. But we’ll eventually see who was right all along. Just you all wait and see. You all will be begging for his forgiveness.

—> It’s not delusion, it’s stupidity. tanq honestly is as stubbornly dumb as he is now appearing to be - - somehow believing that the American justice system is above corruption. Those countless examples of politically motivated behavior by the Garland Stasi and true Wray Gestapo are all just right-wing conspiratorial stuff. But even for someone that dumb, there comes a point where the facts become undeniable. Yet admitting that he was wrong is a step too far for someone as self-assured as tanq. Thus the total disappearance. We will not be hearing from him again, unless Donald Trump unexpectedly turns out to actually be guilty of something serious than incurable political incompetence.

—> tanq is a devious troll - - knowing that by portraying himself as the most obnoxious example of anti-Trump attitudes he would effectively rally the “Reeeeeee” speakers on the right to shout down those of us who wanted a better, more effective, candidate for their Republican ticket. Having achieved his goal, there is nothing more for tanq to do on this forum.

All three are possible. My bet is on the third option.

(02-07-2024 07:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Anybody still willing to argue that we do not have a two-tiered justice system in the USA?

Certainly.
Did Biden ignore a subpoena & prior requests to return classified docs?
Did Biden show top secret war plan docs to friends & donors?
Did Biden proactively return classified docs once they were discovered?
Did our two tiered justice system indict Mike Pence when the FBI discovered classified docs in his house?

This is not reflective of a two tiered system but instead reflective of one person choosing to operate outside of the law & then falling back on false tit for tat political narratives to rationalize his behavior to his base of voters.

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Certainly.
Did Biden ignore a subpoena & prior requests to return classified docs?
Did Biden show top secret war plan docs to friends & donors?
Did Biden proactively return classified docs once they were discovered?
Did our two tiered justice system indict Mike Pence when the FBI discovered classified docs in his house?

This is not reflective of a two tiered system but instead reflective of one person choosing to operate outside of the law & then falling back on false tit for tat political narratives to rationalize his behavior to his base of voters.

Exactly, and the old man knows this. The only ones who get charged in these types of things are the ones where it can be shown they knowingly took things they weren't supposed to. See Sandy Berger., et. al.

Further, even though trump likely knowingly took stuff he wasn't allowed to, had he just returned them all at first, he would have never been charged as it would have been hard to prove in court that he did know.

Same with Pence as it is with Biden.

So, that's just one tier. If there's two, it's one for the rich and one for the poor. Not one for Democrats/Liberals and for Republicans/Conservatives. Again, the senile man should know this.

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 07:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Anybody still willing to argue that we do not have a two-tiered justice system in the USA?

Certainly.
Did Biden ignore a subpoena & prior requests to return classified docs?
Did Biden show top secret war plan docs to friends & donors?
Did Biden proactively return classified docs once they were discovered?
Did our two tiered justice system indict Mike Pence when the FBI discovered classified docs in his house?

This is not reflective of a two tiered system but instead reflective of one person choosing to operate outside of the law & then falling back on false tit for tat political narratives to rationalize his behavior to his base of voters.

Senators go to jail for having Classified docs taken out of a SCIF. The fact they were in a crackhead's office where foreigners have keys is just icing on the cake. Except when they are running against Trump, of course.

(02-08-2024 09:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Certainly.
Did Biden ignore a subpoena & prior requests to return classified docs?
Did Biden show top secret war plan docs to friends & donors?
Did Biden proactively return classified docs once they were discovered?
Did our two tiered justice system indict Mike Pence when the FBI discovered classified docs in his house?

This is not reflective of a two tiered system but instead reflective of one person choosing to operate outside of the law & then falling back on false tit for tat political narratives to rationalize his behavior to his base of voters.

Exactly, and the old man knows this. The only ones who get charged in these types of things are the ones where it can be shown they knowingly took things they weren't supposed to. See Sandy Berger., et. al.

Further, even though trump likely knowingly took stuff he wasn't allowed to, had he just returned them all at first, he would have never been charged as it would have been hard to prove in court that he did know.

Same with Pence as it is with Biden.

So, that's just one tier. If there's two, it's one for the rich and one for the poor. Not one for Democrats/Liberals and for Republicans/Conservatives. Again, the senile man should know this.

Again, his dorkness understands the Trump case as much as he understands insurance deductibles.

Trump didnt have to return the classified documents. He had the security clearance to have them, and are claiming them as personal records. Biden* knew this, and had no authority to go in and raid to get the documents sans revoking Trumps security clearance. Biden* tried everything to get those documents without doing that, including wanting to see the documents without his attorney present. Apparently, it was too much to look at the documents with Trumps attorney present to ensure they got handed back.

Dumbazz Biden* colludes with with DOJ to revoke Trumps security clearance, and then perform the raid to get the documents. Except dumbazz Biden* failed to properly revoke Trump's DOE clearance, something that butthurt JackBoi had to dance around in his filing this past week in front of judge Cannon.

gobble gobble

Throw them both in prison. We'll all be better off for it.

(02-08-2024 09:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Certainly.
Did Biden ignore a subpoena & prior requests to return classified docs?
Did Biden show top secret war plan docs to friends & donors?
Did Biden proactively return classified docs once they were discovered?
Did our two tiered justice system indict Mike Pence when the FBI discovered classified docs in his house?

This is not reflective of a two tiered system but instead reflective of one person choosing to operate outside of the law & then falling back on false tit for tat political narratives to rationalize his behavior to his base of voters.

Exactly, and the old man knows this. The only ones who get charged in these types of things are the ones where it can be shown they knowingly took things they weren't supposed to. See Sandy Berger., et. al.

Further, even though trump likely knowingly took stuff he wasn't allowed to, had he just returned them all at first, he would have never been charged as it would have been hard to prove in court that he did know.

Same with Pence as it is with Biden.

So, that's just one tier. If there's two, it's one for the rich and one for the poor. Not one for Democrats/Liberals and for Republicans/Conservatives. Again, the senile man should know this.

Neither of you appear to know the first thing about handling classified material nor the repercussions that occur for knowingly or unknowingly mishandling it. Had this been an member of the armed forces or low level civilian they would have seen jail time and it would not have mattered one bit whether or not they cooperated.

Responses in this thread are exactly why it's ridiculous to even try to debate the other side.

This country is broken. Too bad we can't have an amicable divorce.

(02-08-2024 10:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Responses in this thread are exactly why it's ridiculous to even try to debate the other side.

This country is broken. Too bad we can't have an amicable divorce.

They both broke the law. Hold them to the same accountability that I'd be held to. Simple as that. Both should be kicked off the ballot.

(02-08-2024 10:16 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Responses in this thread are exactly why it's ridiculous to even try to debate the other side.

This country is broken. Too bad we can't have an amicable divorce.

They both broke the law. Hold them to the same accountability that I'd be held to. Simple as that. Both should be kicked off the ballot.

True, but if you look hard enough, you could apply that to almost any DC pol. Selective prosecution is a pox on this country.

But what I'm talking about is the overall division in this country that doesn't look like we will be able to resolve.

There is no going back. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The only 2 possible ends are one party rule, with dissenters in prison like the J6 crowd, or two countries. After all, western Europe is roughly the same size and population as the US, and they have maybe 44 countries.

(02-08-2024 10:16 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Responses in this thread are exactly why it's ridiculous to even try to debate the other side.

This country is broken. Too bad we can't have an amicable divorce.

They both broke the law. Hold them to the same accountability that I'd be held to. Simple as that. Both should be kicked off the ballot.

They're going after Trump under the Espionage Act. Ridiculous.

(02-08-2024 10:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They're going after Trump under the Espionage Act. Ridiculous.

So is the fact that he took the documents and refuse to return them. Start holding everyone to the same standard and you'll see any politicians quickly change their behaviors regarding classified documents.

(02-08-2024 10:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:16 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-08-2024 10:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Responses in this thread are exactly why it's ridiculous to even try to debate the other side.

This country is broken. Too bad we can't have an amicable divorce.

They both broke the law. Hold them to the same accountability that I'd be held to. Simple as that. Both should be kicked off the ballot.

They're going after Trump under the Espionage Act. Ridiculous.

don't forget uncle RICO ...