(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 08:55 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 07:39 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 11:23 PM)army56mike Wrote:  You know, none of what you just said changes if we have a 14 team conference with UMass, MoSt, and Tarty. Everybody still plays 8 conference games and schedules 4 OOC games. How will that affect anyone? All it means is there are more conference games available to watch and have interest in.

The thing that changes is that the conference is worse.

I am trying to tell you that you personal interests can still be met OOC without making things worse for the rest of us.

You can still watch those teams play if you want.

Think we'd add strength to CUSA. Before you choke on that statement, LA Tech Net in men's bb is #86, we are #88 and would be 2nd in net ratings in CUSA. That does not weaken the conference. We had the same record as LA Tech in football, but our 2 FBS were road wins and one was with NMSU. We are improving and should improve. Think a CUSA home would aid in recruiting and the schedule will be more sane instead of playing multiple power conference teams and the G5 Division champs in both CUSA nd MAC.

It's a little late to join for the 23-24 basketball season.

I am not overwhelmed by a 3-9 football season.

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I don't think that.

I was surprised that I had to explain OOC scheduling to a Prairie View fan after having already explained the general concept to a Liberty fan (who, having not had a conference has more of an excuse for not understanding that it's a thing that exists).

(01-24-2024 10:02 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I don't think that.

I was surprised that I had to explain OOC scheduling to a Prairie View fan after having already explained the general concept to a Liberty fan (who, having not had a conference has more of an excuse for not understanding that it's a thing that exists).

Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

Everyone is very confused. It is a permanent condition. They think wrong is right.

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

Yes, people want to ban me. Anybody that accuses anyone of being a Liberty fan even if by accident should be banned. That is disrespectful.

(01-24-2024 10:00 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 08:55 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 07:39 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 11:23 PM)army56mike Wrote:  You know, none of what you just said changes if we have a 14 team conference with UMass, MoSt, and Tarty. Everybody still plays 8 conference games and schedules 4 OOC games. How will that affect anyone? All it means is there are more conference games available to watch and have interest in.

The thing that changes is that the conference is worse.

I am trying to tell you that you personal interests can still be met OOC without making things worse for the rest of us.

You can still watch those teams play if you want.

Think we'd add strength to CUSA. Before you choke on that statement, LA Tech Net in men's bb is #86, we are #88 and would be 2nd in net ratings in CUSA. That does not weaken the conference. We had the same record as LA Tech in football, but our 2 FBS were road wins and one was with NMSU. We are improving and should improve. Think a CUSA home would aid in recruiting and the schedule will be more sane instead of playing multiple power conference teams and the G5 Division champs in both CUSA nd MAC.

It's a little late to join for the 23-24 basketball season.

I am not overwhelmed by a 3-9 football season.

Did not intend it to be overwhelming with football. But 2 road wins, over FBS bowl teams does show the program is heading in the right direction with Don Brown at the helm. Basketball wise there are 8 freshmen on the team that is running at what would be the top of the CUSA. Our future is bright.

Will regret this but this is to prove basketball is no fluc and don't concentrate on the setup material challenging our AD, but the end.

Differ here ZooMass84. Yes was trying to get those competitive juices flowing and not knocking the AD. He has done everything he could to help UMass Basketball and grateful. Now is the time to do the same for UMass Football, so both programs can shine in a common conference.

Go UMass!!

Full post to be taken with a grain of salt.

ZooMass84 post_id=556862 time=1706038813 user_id=2532 Wrote:

Steve81 post_id=556861 time=1706037129 user_id=152 Wrote:My impressions from the CUSA and a few private messages from various fans, including Missouri State. They will move, if invited. Missouri State fans have been pining over the SunBelt to the extent they are not a slam dunk with CUSA fans.

So what IF Ryan Bamford truly wants a move to CUSA. This I doubt by his animated talk how proud we/HE is that we are founding members of the A10 Saints. We have played the other 2 leftovers from the original A10. The attendance for the Dukes was 2,561 and G'dub 3,581 with $5 kid pricing tickets. Or the share number of Podcast currently 25 and running and 8 for the entire season for football. Or the salaries of the head coach 1.6M for Frank Martin and almost half for football. Bamford's talk of finding UMass a home is all tongue in cheek.

We'd have to do two out of three things. Even one is questionable as the athletic department has been tweaking the strategic plan and promo pamphlets for over 8 years. The pamphlets are an embarrassment as they look like my vintage,1970's 8th grade social science completed project. They should be serious videos as Delaware.

1. Be in a rush to get approval for CUSA with the UMass President and BOT
2. Lobby hard and conviniencling to current CUSA presidents, chancellors and ADs
3. Get approval for a strategic plan that includes McGuirk expansion. If need be sell the stadium name to a major sponsor and move McGuirk to the field as Jack Leaman Court

IMHO, Ryan Bamford's contract will not be renewed if football is left without a home for over a decade. As actions matter more than words.

I got that impression too. I think I know what's coming: we get blown off by C-USA because they take Tarleton State and/or Missouri State and then we remain an indy. UConn no doubt gets into the ACC in the very near future. Then I think Bam or whoever is the AD says: "well, we tried and because we are having trouble filling up a 12 game schedule, it's best we reclassify to FCS. We gave it a shot". At least we'll have one of the better FCS stadiums around

Differ here ZooMass84. Yes was trying to get those competitive juices flowing and not knocking the AD. He has done everything he could to help UMass Basketball and grateful. Now is the time to do the same for UMass Football, so both programs can shine in a common conference.

Go UMass!!

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Wanted to add we picked up an OL a Georgia native, 4 star recruit in 2020.
https://247sports.com/Player/paul-tchio-46047848/

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 11:03 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 10:02 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I don't think that.

I was surprised that I had to explain OOC scheduling to a Prairie View fan after having already explained the general concept to a Liberty fan (who, having not had a conference has more of an excuse for not understanding that it's a thing that exists).

Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what we call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

(01-24-2024 11:25 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 11:03 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 10:02 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I don't think that.

I was surprised that I had to explain OOC scheduling to a Prairie View fan after having already explained the general concept to a Liberty fan (who, having not had a conference has more of an excuse for not understanding that it's a thing that exists).

Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other local teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what will call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, CSU. All come with a nice check. Tulsa gets to recruit Louisiana which is a nice return for them.

UMass is an auto win.

NMSU-New Mexico is obviously a money maker.

KSU-ULL is a decent enough check to get started with. We can't lose them all by 50.

That leaves you with two games. One a rivalry so we can play a rivalry game here and there and make a little money.

Toledo-WKU we are left with. That is a good check for Toledo and a game ESPN likes. We have to give to get a little.

You do have to mix in a few interesting games now and then or people will just stop watching altogether. You can't make a schedule of them though.

So these were your best shot and you pretty much whiffed.

(01-24-2024 11:42 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:25 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 11:03 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 10:02 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I don't think that.

I was surprised that I had to explain OOC scheduling to a Prairie View fan after having already explained the general concept to a Liberty fan (who, having not had a conference has more of an excuse for not understanding that it's a thing that exists).

Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other local teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what will call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, CSU. All come with a nice check. Tulsa gets to recruit Louisiana which is a nice return for them.

UMass is an auto win.

NMSU-New Mexico is obviously a money maker.

KSU-ULL is a decent enough check to get started with. We can't lose them all by 50.

That leaves you with two games. One a rivalry so we can play a rivalry game here and there and make a little money.

Toledo-WKU we are left with. That is a good check for Toledo and a game ESPN likes. We have to give to get a little.

You do have to mix in a few interesting games now and then or people will just stop watching altogether. You can't make a schedule of them though.

So these were your best shot and you pretty much whiffed.

I can't understand your position.

Those are all one-for-one games. Which is a thing that happens (often - every single one of those is scheduled for the upcoming season).

One-for-one series are one of the OOC options I explained to the Liberty fan. This is absolutely a thing.

We will almost all schedule an FCS home game. We will almost all schedule a P5 away game for a paycheck. And we all have at least one one-and-one series games with other G5s (usually two, because then the math works for a future season).

But there is room for variation within that framework. Some of us will play two $ games in a given year. Occasionally a G5 (like Liberty last year) will not have a single one. Sometimes a G5 schedules 2 FCS home games. Sometimes we do a 2-for-1 with a P5. Or even a one-for-one, those are nice. Neutral site games exist. Etc.

I really feel like this is all fairly basic college football stuff here. We play one game at home and one game at your place is like the basic level of college scheduling. How do you not think it's a thing or think that all of the series listed above aren't that?



The original point (which I can't believe I have had to explain) is that I don't think there is any interest (at least among fans, who admittedly don't make the decision) at UTEP/NMSU/Tech/SHSU/WKU/MTSU/FIU/JSU/KSU in playing football games against UMass. Frankly, I can't understand why a Liberty fan would find that enticing, but at least one does. But (as you can see for this season), our Liberty fan gets his wish, without everyone else having to play UMass as well. It's a nice solution. I don't think Liberty would be that interested in playing Tulsa, but that's FINE. We'll play them OOC. I don't have any particular interest in playing FAU, but FIU absolutely should. The solution to each team wanting to play some other team doesn't have to be an invitation to the conference.

(01-24-2024 11:49 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:42 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:25 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 11:03 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 10:02 AM)inutech Wrote:  I don't think that.

I was surprised that I had to explain OOC scheduling to a Prairie View fan after having already explained the general concept to a Liberty fan (who, having not had a conference has more of an excuse for not understanding that it's a thing that exists).

Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other local teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what will call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, CSU. All come with a nice check. Tulsa gets to recruit Louisiana which is a nice return for them.

UMass is an auto win.

NMSU-New Mexico is obviously a money maker.

KSU-ULL is a decent enough check to get started with. We can't lose them all by 50.

That leaves you with two games. One a rivalry so we can play a rivalry game here and there and make a little money.

Toledo-WKU we are left with. That is a good check for Toledo and a game ESPN likes. We have to give to get a little.

You do have to mix in a few interesting games now and then or people will just stop watching altogether. You can't make a schedule of them though.

So these were your best shot and you pretty much whiffed.

I can't understand your position.

Those are all one-for-one games. Which is a thing that happens (often - every single one of those is scheduled for the upcoming season).

One-for-one series are one of the OOC options I explained to the Liberty fan. This is absolutely a thing.

We will almost all schedule an FCS home game. We will almost all schedule a P5 away game for a paycheck. And we all have at least one-and-one series games with other G5s (usually two, because then the math works for a future season).

But there is room for variation within that framework. Some of us will play two $ games in a given year. Occasionally a G5 (like Liberty last year) will not have a single one. Sometimes a G5 schedules 2 FCS home games. Sometimes we do a 2-for-1 with a P5.

I really feel like this is all fairly basic college football stuff here. We play one game at home and one game at your place is like the basic level of college scheduling. How do you not think it's a thing or think that all of the series listed above aren't that?

It is very basic. It is surprising you have not caught on yet.

At LT, we play two money games a year. We play one FCS so that we don't go 0-12. Then we play one game that gives us a chance at a win and maybe 2-2. If you do not give yourself a chance at 2-2, you will probably get fired.

So we have North Texas and Tulsa. Good for both sides because we can recruit each way.

You can't just get your doors blown off every game. People get tired of that pretty fast.

(01-24-2024 11:55 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:49 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:42 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:25 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 11:03 AM)R40 Wrote:  Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other local teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what will call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, CSU. All come with a nice check. Tulsa gets to recruit Louisiana which is a nice return for them.

UMass is an auto win.

NMSU-New Mexico is obviously a money maker.

KSU-ULL is a decent enough check to get started with. We can't lose them all by 50.

That leaves you with two games. One a rivalry so we can play a rivalry game here and there and make a little money.

Toledo-WKU we are left with. That is a good check for Toledo and a game ESPN likes. We have to give to get a little.

You do have to mix in a few interesting games now and then or people will just stop watching altogether. You can't make a schedule of them though.

So these were your best shot and you pretty much whiffed.

I can't understand your position.

Those are all one-for-one games. Which is a thing that happens (often - every single one of those is scheduled for the upcoming season).

One-for-one series are one of the OOC options I explained to the Liberty fan. This is absolutely a thing.

We will almost all schedule an FCS home game. We will almost all schedule a P5 away game for a paycheck. And we all have at least one-and-one series games with other G5s (usually two, because then the math works for a future season).

But there is room for variation within that framework. Some of us will play two $ games in a given year. Occasionally a G5 (like Liberty last year) will not have a single one. Sometimes a G5 schedules 2 FCS home games. Sometimes we do a 2-for-1 with a P5.

I really feel like this is all fairly basic college football stuff here. We play one game at home and one game at your place is like the basic level of college scheduling. How do you not think it's a thing or think that all of the series listed above aren't that?

It is very basic. It is surprising you have not caught on yet.

At LT, we play two money games a year. We play one FCS so that we don't go 0-12. Then we play one game that gives us a chance at a win and maybe 2-2. If you do not give yourself a chance at 2-2, you will probably get fired.

So we have North Texas and Tulsa. Good for both sides because we can recruit each way.

You can't just get your doors blown off every game. People get tired of that pretty fast.

I guess I don't see your original problem with what I initially explained.

Our stated goal is an FCS home game, a P5 money game, and alternating G5 one-for-one series. Some years it doesn't match up, but that's our goal. That's how scheduling works and exactly what I explained above.

CUSA teams can schedule however they want. What exactly did you disagree with in any of my posts on the topic?

I can't believe I keep revealing and then replying to these posts.

(01-24-2024 12:00 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:55 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:49 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:42 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:25 AM)inutech Wrote:  FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other local teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what will call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, CSU. All come with a nice check. Tulsa gets to recruit Louisiana which is a nice return for them.

UMass is an auto win.

NMSU-New Mexico is obviously a money maker.

KSU-ULL is a decent enough check to get started with. We can't lose them all by 50.

That leaves you with two games. One a rivalry so we can play a rivalry game here and there and make a little money.

Toledo-WKU we are left with. That is a good check for Toledo and a game ESPN likes. We have to give to get a little.

You do have to mix in a few interesting games now and then or people will just stop watching altogether. You can't make a schedule of them though.

So these were your best shot and you pretty much whiffed.

I can't understand your position.

Those are all one-for-one games. Which is a thing that happens (often - every single one of those is scheduled for the upcoming season).

One-for-one series are one of the OOC options I explained to the Liberty fan. This is absolutely a thing.

We will almost all schedule an FCS home game. We will almost all schedule a P5 away game for a paycheck. And we all have at least one-and-one series games with other G5s (usually two, because then the math works for a future season).

But there is room for variation within that framework. Some of us will play two $ games in a given year. Occasionally a G5 (like Liberty last year) will not have a single one. Sometimes a G5 schedules 2 FCS home games. Sometimes we do a 2-for-1 with a P5.

I really feel like this is all fairly basic college football stuff here. We play one game at home and one game at your place is like the basic level of college scheduling. How do you not think it's a thing or think that all of the series listed above aren't that?

It is very basic. It is surprising you have not caught on yet.

At LT, we play two money games a year. We play one FCS so that we don't go 0-12. Then we play one game that gives us a chance at a win and maybe 2-2. If you do not give yourself a chance at 2-2, you will probably get fired.

So we have North Texas and Tulsa. Good for both sides because we can recruit each way.

You can't just get your doors blown off every game. People get tired of that pretty fast.

I guess I don't see your original problem with what I initially explained.

Our stated goal is an FCS home game, a P5 money game, and alternating G5 one-for-one series. Some years it doesn't match up, but that's our goal. That's how scheduling works and exactly what I explained above.

CUSA teams can schedule however they want. What exactly did you disagree with in any of my posts on the topic?

I can't believe I keep revealing and then replying to these posts.

Have you ever noticed how you are always confused? I did not disagree with you. You did not like that I said you play money games and easy wins. OK, yes, we mix in a game here and there to keep from getting fired and those usually have some strategic value.

In CUSA you schedule the out of conference to make money. We now can agree on that.

This is on me, apologies to anyone reading that.

I can't say I'm sad we got off subject, because I don't particularly care for the subject, but I should know by now that it's not worth replying to some posts.

MAIN POINT was always just that "I think it's neat to keep adding new teams so I can see new teams" is not (in my opinion) any kind of good strategy for evaluating conference dilution. If you want to see these teams, just schedule them OOC. You can totally do that.

(01-24-2024 12:11 PM)inutech Wrote:  This is on me, apologies to anyone reading that.

I can't say I'm sad we got off subject, because I don't particularly care for the subject, but I should know by now that it's not worth replying to some posts.

MAIN POINT was always just that "I think it's neat to keep adding new teams so I can see new teams" is not (in my opinion) any kind of good strategy for evaluating conference dilution. If you want to see these teams, just schedule them OOC. You can totally do that.

People have a different point of view. If you are Louisiana Tech, you see every addition as a threat to your existence. LT is a team always on the verge of demotion. Most of the league is now secure in their position. It may not be any more than LT but they see themselves much differently. The are at the beginning of their journey. Not at the end.

(01-24-2024 11:42 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:25 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 11:03 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 10:02 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I don't think that.

I was surprised that I had to explain OOC scheduling to a Prairie View fan after having already explained the general concept to a Liberty fan (who, having not had a conference has more of an excuse for not understanding that it's a thing that exists).

Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other local teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what will call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, CSU. All come with a nice check. Tulsa gets to recruit Louisiana which is a nice return for them.

UMass is an auto win.

NMSU-New Mexico is obviously a money maker.

KSU-ULL is a decent enough check to get started with. We can't lose them all by 50.

That leaves you with two games. One a rivalry so we can play a rivalry game here and there and make a little money.

Toledo-WKU we are left with. That is a good check for Toledo and a game ESPN likes. We have to give to get a little.

You do have to mix in a few interesting games now and then or people will just stop watching altogether. You can't make a schedule of them though.

So these were your best shot and you pretty much whiffed.

Nope. UTEP at CSU in 24 is a return game of a home and home agreement. UTEP won the 2011 game.

"UTEP will travel to take on Colorado State at Canvas Stadium in Fort Collins, Colo., on September 21, 2024, per a copy of an amendment to the original contract. The game is the second of a home-and-home series that was originally scheduled to conclude in 2018."

(01-24-2024 12:19 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:42 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:25 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 11:03 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 10:02 AM)inutech Wrote:  I don't think that.

I was surprised that I had to explain OOC scheduling to a Prairie View fan after having already explained the general concept to a Liberty fan (who, having not had a conference has more of an excuse for not understanding that it's a thing that exists).

Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other local teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what will call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, CSU. All come with a nice check. Tulsa gets to recruit Louisiana which is a nice return for them.

UMass is an auto win.

NMSU-New Mexico is obviously a money maker.

KSU-ULL is a decent enough check to get started with. We can't lose them all by 50.

That leaves you with two games. One a rivalry so we can play a rivalry game here and there and make a little money.

Toledo-WKU we are left with. That is a good check for Toledo and a game ESPN likes. We have to give to get a little.

You do have to mix in a few interesting games now and then or people will just stop watching altogether. You can't make a schedule of them though.

So these were your best shot and you pretty much whiffed.

Nope. UTEP at CSU in 24 is a return game of a home and home agreement. UTEP won the 2011 game.

"UTEP will travel to take on Colorado State at Canvas Stadium in Fort Collins, Colo., on September 21, 2024, per a copy of an amendment to the original contract. The game is the second of a home-and-home series that was originally scheduled to conclude in 2018."

Right. But you do not understand that you are the automatic win. So you get a decent check going there and they return the favor because you are an easy win.

(01-24-2024 12:19 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:42 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:25 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:35 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  I am still trying to figure out why inutech thinks R40 is a Liberty fan. Even though Sam fans don't like to admit it, they know Tripod when they see the posts come onto this board. But associating R40 with SHSU is not fair to the folks in Huntsville.

Now back to the discussion ...

I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 11:03 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 10:02 AM)inutech Wrote:  I don't think that.

I was surprised that I had to explain OOC scheduling to a Prairie View fan after having already explained the general concept to a Liberty fan (who, having not had a conference has more of an excuse for not understanding that it's a thing that exists).

Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other local teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what will call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, CSU. All come with a nice check. Tulsa gets to recruit Louisiana which is a nice return for them.

UMass is an auto win.

NMSU-New Mexico is obviously a money maker.

KSU-ULL is a decent enough check to get started with. We can't lose them all by 50.

That leaves you with two games. One a rivalry so we can play a rivalry game here and there and make a little money.

Toledo-WKU we are left with. That is a good check for Toledo and a game ESPN likes. We have to give to get a little.

You do have to mix in a few interesting games now and then or people will just stop watching altogether. You can't make a schedule of them though.

So these were your best shot and you pretty much whiffed.

Nope. UTEP at CSU in 24 is a return game of a home and home agreement. UTEP won the 2011 game.

"UTEP will travel to take on Colorado State at Canvas Stadium in Fort Collins, Colo., on September 21, 2024, per a copy of an amendment to the original contract. The game is the second of a home-and-home series that was originally scheduled to conclude in 2018."

Every one of those is a home-and-home.

(01-24-2024 12:21 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 12:19 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:42 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 11:25 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:46 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  I'm trying to figure out why anyone on this board still responds to R40 as if a good-faith conversation is happening.

(01-24-2024 11:03 AM)R40 Wrote:  Explain it? How can you explain something you know nothing about. I had to explain to you that it don't work that way and it ain't gonna.

FBS is a little different from the SWAC.

G5 teams schedule other local teams that they're interested in playing all the time. You're taking a easily disproved position here, you know the schedules are all out there, right?

You tell me which of these are money games and which are wins -

FIU - FAU
WKU - Toledo
UTEP - CSU
SHSU - Rice
NMSU - New Mexico
MTSU - Memphis
Liberty - UMass
KSU - ULL
JSU - EMU
Tech - Tulsa

Now, I hope a lot of those will be wins but they're scheduled as one-for-one series. Just like I suggested as an option for Liberty to play UMass if that's what their fans want. They can play them every year! They can also use their other OOC games to play other teams.

That way they can play lots of teams that their fans just REALLY want to see (like UMass or EKU) without having to share conference revenue and without the other teams in the conference having to play teams that they may not be interested in playing.

This is what will call out of conference scheduling. It's a great idea! I didn't think there would be people who didn't know about it posting on a college football message board, but I guess there were at least two just in this thread. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, CSU. All come with a nice check. Tulsa gets to recruit Louisiana which is a nice return for them.

UMass is an auto win.

NMSU-New Mexico is obviously a money maker.

KSU-ULL is a decent enough check to get started with. We can't lose them all by 50.

That leaves you with two games. One a rivalry so we can play a rivalry game here and there and make a little money.

Toledo-WKU we are left with. That is a good check for Toledo and a game ESPN likes. We have to give to get a little.

You do have to mix in a few interesting games now and then or people will just stop watching altogether. You can't make a schedule of them though.

So these were your best shot and you pretty much whiffed.

Nope. UTEP at CSU in 24 is a return game of a home and home agreement. UTEP won the 2011 game.

"UTEP will travel to take on Colorado State at Canvas Stadium in Fort Collins, Colo., on September 21, 2024, per a copy of an amendment to the original contract. The game is the second of a home-and-home series that was originally scheduled to conclude in 2018."

Every one of those is a home-and-home.

You generally have to play home and homes unless you are getting the really big checks which most of what we are after.

Once we have our two big checks, we can do what we want. We will play an easy win and we will play one other game. We can choose for that game to be another moderate money maker or we can play it for recruiting purposes or we can schedule another win.

So we play two money games, one easy win and one wildcard. The wildcard is pretty much the only game of interest.

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