(01-25-2024 11:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 01:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Stink, 90% of the time Owls numbers is simply a walking justification for the status quo with either it can't be done, or won't make a difference, or some other pacification for doing nothing.

WTF? Exactly what have I ever said to justify that characterization?

Hell, I'm the one talking about solutions when most of y'all are just crying and moaning.

And every single one of my solutions would lead to smaller and less intrusive government.

The problem is the leadership in both parties in Washington are not interested in getting any of those results.

Their goal is to slowly squeeze the middle and lower classes until we are so strapped and broken that we will give into to their globalist agendas.

(01-25-2024 11:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 11:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 01:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Stink, 90% of the time Owls numbers is simply a walking justification for the status quo with either it can't be done, or won't make a difference, or some other pacification for doing nothing.

WTF? Exactly what have I ever said to justify that characterization?

Hell, I'm the one talking about solutions when most of y'all are just crying and moaning.

And every single one of my solutions would lead to smaller and less intrusive government.

The problem is the leadership in both parties in Washington are not interested in getting any of those results.

Their goal is to slowly squeeze the middle and lower classes until we are so strapped and broken that we will give into to their globalist agendas.

it's that simple, Eric ... some just want to play the theoretical vs. reality ... I view that as an exercise in futility...

knowing the real game is what's important ... that's how you sway the ones you don't have over into the camp of, "hey, it's kinda cool to make my own way" vs. "fk it, where's muh free shite." ... there's a ton out there that want to make there own way ... it's muh robber baron globohomo dictatorshite running the show that stands in their way...

"never spoil the children; only the pets" - stinkfist ... that's what scares 'em....

(01-25-2024 11:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The problem is the leadership in both parties in Washington are not interested in getting any of those results.

Yep, and that's on the RINO establisment republicans. Democrats don't give a damn. They just want to install their socialist/communist/fascist utopia. But republicans are supposed to be something different. And right now they aren't.

(01-25-2024 11:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 01:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Stink, 90% of the time Owls numbers is simply a walking justification for the status quo with either it can't be done, or won't make a difference, or some other pacification for doing nothing.

WTF? Exactly what have I ever said to justify that characterization?

Hell, I'm the one talking about solutions when most of y'all are just crying and moaning.

And every single one of my solutions would lead to smaller and less intrusive government.

Bismarck Socialist healthcare??? Nope, gubmint involvement in health care has been a bad idea since the 1960s, and only gets worse. A different gubernment healthcare/insurance scam system is not the answer and is no solution. Get gubernment all the way out of healthcare and other areas of citizens' lives it was never intended to0 be involved in. Portable and independent health plans on an individual (not group or company controlled) basis only. You keep it. you take it with you, you fund it tax-free, you decide if you want to spend it and how it will be spent. No more Medicare or SocSec Boards of "experts" telling you what to do anymore.

(01-25-2024 11:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The problem is the leadership in both parties in Washington are not interested in getting any of those results.

Their goal is to slowly squeeze the middle and lower classes until we are so strapped and broken that we will give into to their globalist agendas.

This is mostly true. Take away every gubmint official and staff member's separate health "plan" and let 'em have to follow the same rules as regular citizens for starters. No more special group health care. Individual only. Eliminate all the three letter agencies and all of their staffs. Vacate most all the gubmint's 500,000+ buildings across the nation and around DC. Follow only the Constitutionally prescribed Federal government services. Stop our Military from cross dressing and putting on drag shows. One standard of fitness for men and women serving alike, and raise the standards back to everyone being in shape immediately. 6 minute miles, 100 situps in 3 minutes and 20 pull-ups for starters for every military serviceman and women no matter their age or branch. Raise the military service age back to 21 and raise the voting age back to 21. Stop the BS.

(01-25-2024 11:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 01:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Stink, 90% of the time Owls numbers is simply a walking justification for the status quo with either it can't be done, or won't make a difference, or some other pacification for doing nothing.

WTF? Exactly what have I ever said to justify that characterization?

Hell, I'm the one talking about solutions when most of y'all are just crying and moaning.

And every single one of my solutions would lead to smaller and less intrusive government.

Well hello, let's start with the border issue which is what prompted my response. But it's not the first nor will it be the last. It's okay, it's just you. You talk both sides of most issues and don't take a stance. You do however on Naval combat readiness and the effectiveness of the various aspects of the ships in the fleet. On politics? Not so much.

(01-26-2024 02:57 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Well hello, let's start with the border issue which is what prompted my response. But it's not the first nor will it be the last. It's okay, it's just you. You talk both sides of most issues and don't take a stance.

I'm sorry but that is bullsh**.

Take the border, I have always favored a wall where there are land borders--California, Arizona (except a small distance along the Colorado River), and New Mexico. Where there are rivers (the Colorado in Arizona and the Rio Grande in Texas) walls run into a lot of practical problems. In those areas, I think the ideas proposed by Will Hurd, who probably knows the border and the national security issues it presents, better than anybody else in politics--intense electronic surveillance, significantly beefed-up CBP, increased processing capacity so situations can be disposed of at the border without having to do catch and release, and barbed wire. Regardless of what we do as far as physical restraints, the bigger problem is lack of a sensible border policy. Without that CBP are placed in way too many positions where they have no guidance what to do. Catch and release, the worst possible option, exists because there is no law to give them another option. I have suggested a points-based merit system like the rest of the world. Conservatives like to make fun of Canada, but they have a far better immigration law than we do. Democrats don't like that because they see a steady stream of illegals as a steady supply of future democrat voters.

As for illegals in the country for a long time and being productive, the obvious solution is what the rest of the world does--permanent guest worker status with no path to citizenship unless they go back home and do it by the numbers. Possible exception if they serve a full hitch in the military with an honorable discharge.

That was my position before Trump, during Trump, and after Trump. I don't know how you see anything there that isn't taking a pretty firm stance, or that can in any way be constured as wishy-washy. I don't think I've ever proposed anything different. Maybe you haven't read what I've written.

Give me any issue that you think I haven't taken a stance on, and I've probably take the same stance consistently for 20 years.

(01-24-2024 02:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 02:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  he was merely pointing out your euro policies that pine the status quo ... you read too much into it ... JR will correct me if I'm wrong...

Those "Euro" policies are actually a lot more conservative than what democrats are proposing. That's what is getting missed here.

Europe was pretty far down the socialist/communist/fascist road in the 1970s. And they saw that it wasn't working, so they shifted back to the right. Maggie Thatcher got the headlines for doing it, but all of Europe has been on that track--lowering and flattening taxes, privatizing formerly state-run enterprises, and so forth. They are now to the right of USA democrats in a lot of places.

I have been hoping that we would learn from Europe and not repeat their mistakes, but that is looking too optimistic for me now.

Any sort of move to the left on these issues practically ensures that it will become socialized at some point. Look at healthcare, moved to the left in 2010, the bill was a failure for the 4 years of the individual mandate. Now everyone knows the next one will be single payer.

When was the last time a left wing policy failed and we lurched back to the right with market based solutions?


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(01-26-2024 09:37 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  When was the last time a left wing policy failed and we lurched back to the right with market based solutions?

Bismarck would be one.

(01-25-2024 11:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 11:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 01:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Stink, 90% of the time Owls numbers is simply a walking justification for the status quo with either it can't be done, or won't make a difference, or some other pacification for doing nothing.

WTF? Exactly what have I ever said to justify that characterization?

Hell, I'm the one talking about solutions when most of y'all are just crying and moaning.

And every single one of my solutions would lead to smaller and less intrusive government.

The problem is the leadership in both parties in Washington are not interested in getting any of those results.

Their goal is to slowly squeeze the middle and lower classes until we are so strapped and broken that we will give into to their globalist agendas.

The problem is that both parties are built and exist on grift. They just come at it from different angles.

(01-26-2024 03:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Shouldn't the cycle for the cat be, I wake up, Democrats lay something shady in the litter box, Republicans are outraged, they both put litter over it so it doesn't continue to stink and draw attention, Nothing Happens!

Something "unprecedented" is gonna have to happen before the election b/c past few months I've just felt like standing by & doing nothing election day.........

It can't be fixed & it's just an illusion anyone can. If it gets worse, well, maybe it needs to get worse first.

(01-26-2024 02:03 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Bismarck Socialist healthcare??

WTF? Just try to tell anybody from a Bismarck country that they have socialized medicine and you’ll have a fight on your hand. Bismarck is actually less government involvement and more free market than what the USA has.