I hate it when teams inflate numbers because it makes it so hard to compare, especially at the G5 level where most numbers are inflated to some degree. I remember when we played FIU earlier in the year and there was maybe 5 or 6k in the stands but they reported over 15k. Meanwhile Liberty had a couple games announced as sell outs last year then reported numbers that were less than sellouts. It leads me to believe we report butts in seats but I'm not sure why we would do that when everyone else is reporting tickets sold.

(01-11-2024 03:04 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 08:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 02:54 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  Of course, those numbers are inherently (at least for a lot of G5's) phoney. It's not fannies in the seats, it's tickets purchased (whether they are used or not). A lot of inflated numbers.

The schools in the G5 that are winning do get those large numbers. Even when Boise State is on tv against major teams that are winning? They still gain the fans support especially when they had an off year last year. That is why they want to expand to like 52,000 because they don't have a pro team in the state. Their's and Fresno State's future stadium would be at the same level as the Big 12s.

Yes but when you watch MAC weekday games in late November in the cold rain and snow and there is no way there is more than 1,000 people in attendance. I know when UMass beat UConn in 2018 ESPN had 24,150 attendance and there wasn't more than 1,000 there in reality.

Or watching a Miami Florida game playing Florida A&M, and they never got half the stadium filled, and they went by tickets sold. I do think a lot of the P5 were actually inflated tickets sold instead of counting how many people who did showed up. Colorado is one that went by tickets sold and not who did attend the game.

(01-11-2024 02:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 09:38 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 02:39 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 12:18 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Source: https://www.d1ticker.com/2023-fbs-attendance-trends/

2023 Attendance Numbers

# School 2023 attendance
1 Michigan 109,971
2 Penn State 108,409
3 Ohio State 103,792
4 Tennessee 101,915
5 Texas 101,625
6 LSU 100,742
7 Alabama 100,077
8 Texas A&M 99,234
9 Georgia 92,746
10 Florida 89,587
11 Auburn 88,043
12 Nebraska 86,802
13 Oklahoma 83,741
14 Clemson 81,334
15 Florida State 78,711
16 South Carolina 77,833
17 Notre Dame 77,622
18 Wisconsin 75,391
19 Michigan State 70,211
20 Iowa 69,250
21 Washington 68,814
22 USC 66,071
23 Arkansas 65,317
24 Virginia Tech 64,733
25 Ole Miss 63,721
26 BYU 61,944
27 Kentucky 60,939
28 Iowa State 60,384
29 Missouri 60,169
30 Purdue 58,248
31 NC State 56,919
32 Oregon 55,895
33 Texas Tech 54,491
34 Mississippi State 54,455
35 Oklahoma State 53,891
36 Colorado 53,180
37 Utah 52,499
38 Kansas State 51,957
39 Louisville 51,252
40 West Virginia 51,156
41 North Carolina 50,095
42 Miami (FL) 49,714
43 Illinois 49,698
44 Rutgers 49,251
45 Minnesota 48,453
46 Arizona State 48,301
47 Pittsburgh 48,122
48 UCLA 47,951
49 TCU 47,331
50 Arizona 47,320
51 Kansas 45,888
52 Indiana 44,589
53 UCF 44,015
54 Baylor 43,388
55 Virginia 43,293
56 Maryland 40,314
57 Fresno State 39,969
58 California 38,684
59 Cincinnati 38,193
60 South Florida 37,944
61 Oregon State 36,969
62 Boston College 36,376
63 Georgia Tech 36,290
64 Houston 36,020
65 Boise State 35,867
66 ECU 35,115
67 Appalachian State 34,734
68 Syracuse 34,045
69 Stanford 33,219
70 Navy 30,804
71 Wake Forest 30,609
72 Memphis 29,782
73 Air Force 29,616
74 Army West Point 29,016
75 UTSA 28,876
76 Washington State 28,023
77 Troy 27,121
78 Colorado State 26,509
79 Vanderbilt 25,509
80 James Madison 25,372
81 Duke 25,111
82 Tulane 25,021
83 San Diego State 24,832
84 UConn 24,659
85 UNLV 23,661
86 Southern Miss 23,275
87 Marshall 23,198
88 Wyoming 23,163
89 SMU 22,616
90 UAB 21,543
91 Georgia Southern 21,480
92 Texas State 21,184
93 Northwestern 20,800
94 Rice 20,542
95 Tulsa 20,187
96 Jacksonville State 20,033
97 Toledo 19,675
98 Utah State 19,282
99 Ohio 19,005
100 Liberty 18,911
101 Florida Atlantic 18,603
102 UTEP 18,160
103 Old Dominion 17,847
104 North Texas 17,761
105 Western Michigan 17,619
106 South Alabama 17,190
107 Coastal Carolina 17,120
108 Nevada 16,998
109 Eastern Michigan 16,882
110 San Jose State 16,804
111 Arkansas State 16,747
112 Louisiana 16,664
113 Central Michigan 16,350
114 New Mexico 15,982
115 Louisiana Tech 15,796
116 Western Kentucky 15,710
117 Georgia State 15,594
118 FIU 15,290
119 New Mexico State 14,847
120 Louisiana-Monroe 14,296
121 Bowling Green 13,462
122 Temple 13,446
123 Miami (OH) 13,395
124 Middle Tennessee 13,219
125 Buffalo 13,142
126 Charlotte 12,471
127 Hawaii 11,251
128 Ball State 10,771
129 Massachusetts 10,598
130 Kent State 9,511
131 Northern Illinois 9,456
132 Sam Houston State 8,298
133 Akron 7,237

Wow!!! Troy had better attendance than Northwestern, Vandy, SMU, and Duke, not to mention several AAC programs!!

This is an interesting article about actual scanned tickets at Wisconsin (Camp Randall).

https://madison.com/sports/college/footb...0cee2.html

More humans showed up to watch Buffalo and Georgia Southern than Northwestern and Nebraska

It would be interesting to have that kind of data for all schools, but many don't actually scan tickets, and some who do probably wouldn't want to make the actual numbers public. But it would be nice to compare the data for schools who do scan and are willing to share their data.

In the case of Wisconsin the newspaper did a public records request. At least some schools don't get a choice. Schools that have gone to electronic tickets have scanned them. If they use paper tickets they have stubs.

JSU has to be using sold tickets, rarely are we near the number reported. We have good attendance for our type school but the numbers are not correct. I do believe they are more correct than some others. Attended games as some of the others and the numbers we a long ways off.

(01-10-2024 12:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  USF 60
Boise 65
ECU 66
Appalachian 67

The only G schools to crack the top 69. The 4 P5 schools who didn't make the top 69:
Wake Forest 71
Washington St. 76
Vanderbilt 79
Duke 81

Is there something I missed recently? Fresno State at 57 is not a G school anymore? Also VCS do sellout a lot. Were just waiting for a bond issue on this upcoming ballot to get a small stipend to renovate our stadium. Hmm.

(01-10-2024 01:56 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 12:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  USF 60
Boise 65
ECU 66
Appalachian 67

The only G schools to crack the top 69. The 4 P5 schools who didn't make the top 69:
Wake Forest 71
Washington St. 76
Vanderbilt 79
Duke 81

Lol

What do you have against Navy at #70? That your cutoff is 69? Still ahead of the same four autonomy schools. You didn't use a round number like "over 30 000" which would have pulled in both Navy and Wake.

Then I look again and you missed Fresno, too

Also forgot Fresno State at #57….top G5 and ahead of all 3 ACC newbies and the Pac2!

And as a side note: if I were Fresno St AD, I’d be doing home and homes with East Carolina. We are so similar, it’s pathetic it hasn’t happened yet, imo.

(01-10-2024 12:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  USF 60
Boise 65
ECU 66
Appalachian 67

The only G schools to crack the top 69. The 4 P5 schools who didn't make the top 69:
Wake Forest 71
Washington St. 76
Vanderbilt 79
Duke 81

For USF and East Carolina, the lack of football success has impacted their attendance. -And possibly for this time forward.

Both schools are capable of 45,000 fans or more. -Maybe 50,000.

We will see how the NIL moves forward.

***Are the COVID years excluded from the 5 year numbers?

(01-10-2024 09:38 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 02:39 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 12:18 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Source: https://www.d1ticker.com/2023-fbs-attendance-trends/

2023 Attendance Numbers

# School 2023 attendance
1 Michigan 109,971
2 Penn State 108,409
3 Ohio State 103,792
4 Tennessee 101,915
5 Texas 101,625
6 LSU 100,742
7 Alabama 100,077
8 Texas A&M 99,234
9 Georgia 92,746
10 Florida 89,587
11 Auburn 88,043
12 Nebraska 86,802
13 Oklahoma 83,741
14 Clemson 81,334
15 Florida State 78,711
16 South Carolina 77,833
17 Notre Dame 77,622
18 Wisconsin 75,391
19 Michigan State 70,211
20 Iowa 69,250
21 Washington 68,814
22 USC 66,071
23 Arkansas 65,317
24 Virginia Tech 64,733
25 Ole Miss 63,721
26 BYU 61,944
27 Kentucky 60,939
28 Iowa State 60,384
29 Missouri 60,169
30 Purdue 58,248
31 NC State 56,919
32 Oregon 55,895
33 Texas Tech 54,491
34 Mississippi State 54,455
35 Oklahoma State 53,891
36 Colorado 53,180
37 Utah 52,499
38 Kansas State 51,957
39 Louisville 51,252
40 West Virginia 51,156
41 North Carolina 50,095
42 Miami (FL) 49,714
43 Illinois 49,698
44 Rutgers 49,251
45 Minnesota 48,453
46 Arizona State 48,301
47 Pittsburgh 48,122
48 UCLA 47,951
49 TCU 47,331
50 Arizona 47,320
51 Kansas 45,888
52 Indiana 44,589
53 UCF 44,015
54 Baylor 43,388
55 Virginia 43,293
56 Maryland 40,314
57 Fresno State 39,969
58 California 38,684
59 Cincinnati 38,193
60 South Florida 37,944
61 Oregon State 36,969
62 Boston College 36,376
63 Georgia Tech 36,290
64 Houston 36,020
65 Boise State 35,867
66 ECU 35,115
67 Appalachian State 34,734
68 Syracuse 34,045
69 Stanford 33,219
70 Navy 30,804
71 Wake Forest 30,609
72 Memphis 29,782
73 Air Force 29,616
74 Army West Point 29,016
75 UTSA 28,876
76 Washington State 28,023
77 Troy 27,121
78 Colorado State 26,509
79 Vanderbilt 25,509
80 James Madison 25,372
81 Duke 25,111
82 Tulane 25,021
83 San Diego State 24,832
84 UConn 24,659
85 UNLV 23,661
86 Southern Miss 23,275
87 Marshall 23,198
88 Wyoming 23,163
89 SMU 22,616
90 UAB 21,543
91 Georgia Southern 21,480
92 Texas State 21,184
93 Northwestern 20,800
94 Rice 20,542
95 Tulsa 20,187
96 Jacksonville State 20,033
97 Toledo 19,675
98 Utah State 19,282
99 Ohio 19,005
100 Liberty 18,911
101 Florida Atlantic 18,603
102 UTEP 18,160
103 Old Dominion 17,847
104 North Texas 17,761
105 Western Michigan 17,619
106 South Alabama 17,190
107 Coastal Carolina 17,120
108 Nevada 16,998
109 Eastern Michigan 16,882
110 San Jose State 16,804
111 Arkansas State 16,747
112 Louisiana 16,664
113 Central Michigan 16,350
114 New Mexico 15,982
115 Louisiana Tech 15,796
116 Western Kentucky 15,710
117 Georgia State 15,594
118 FIU 15,290
119 New Mexico State 14,847
120 Louisiana-Monroe 14,296
121 Bowling Green 13,462
122 Temple 13,446
123 Miami (OH) 13,395
124 Middle Tennessee 13,219
125 Buffalo 13,142
126 Charlotte 12,471
127 Hawaii 11,251
128 Ball State 10,771
129 Massachusetts 10,598
130 Kent State 9,511
131 Northern Illinois 9,456
132 Sam Houston State 8,298
133 Akron 7,237

Wow!!! Troy had better attendance than Northwestern, Vandy, SMU, and Duke, not to mention several AAC programs!!

This is an interesting article about actual scanned tickets at Wisconsin (Camp Randall).

https://madison.com/sports/college/footb...0cee2.html

More humans showed up to watch Buffalo and Georgia Southern than Northwestern and Nebraska

Concerning Wisconsin- I suspect Wisconsin's challenges are a trend of the silent generation and baby boomers aging and not attending games.

Even Nick Saban complained about Alabama's attendance and threatened to convert student seating if the students did not show up for games.

Quote:.https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2024/01/07/gen-z-disinterested-sports-nfl-college-football-championship/72117123007/?

Gen Z doesn't care about sports. That's part of a bigger problem.
As Gen Z spends an increasing amount of time tuned into our digital lives, many of us lose sight of the traditional forms of community that previous generations relied on.

According to a 2021 study, only 23% of Generation Z describe themselves as passionate sports fans, as opposed to 42% of millennials, 33% of Generation X and 31% of baby boomers.

Further, a sizable 27% of Gen Z describe themselves as “anti-sports,” compared with single-digit percentages from other generations saying the same.

(01-10-2024 12:18 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Source: https://www.d1ticker.com/2023-fbs-attendance-trends/

75 UTSA 28,876
76 Washington State 28,023
77 Troy 27,121
78 Colorado State 26,509
79 MONTANA 26,269
79 Vanderbilt 25,509
80 James Madison 25,372
81 Duke 25,111
82 Tulane 25,021
83 San Diego State 24,832
84 UConn 24,659
85 UNLV 23,661
86 Southern Miss 23,275
87 Marshall 23,198
88 Wyoming 23,163
89 SMU 22,616
90 MONTANA STATE 21,610
90 UAB 21,543
91 Georgia Southern 21,480
92 Texas State 21,184
93 Northwestern 20,800
94 Rice 20,542
95 Tulsa 20,187

Fun fact Montana would be #79 on this list beating out a good number of other G5 programs and a few P5 ones. MSU is further down but still #90 overall on this list, both would do well at least in this regards in FBS.