(02-12-2024 08:43 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Neither Montclair St. nor Rowan has any appetite to move up. The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago. The expense of offering scholarships to move up is too great and there are no obvious destination conferences to go to.
The same holds true for Pace and Staten Island. Even with the NEC needing membership, the potential risks far outweigh the gains.
The third tier Pensy schools have been starved of resources, so the state can invest in the PSU system. They are probably more likely to drop down from D2 or drop some sports to save $ as move up to, what the bloated CAA?

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...ersey.html

Struggling D2 school, St Augustine’s in NC lost its accreditation in December. They are appealing, which rarely works.

Then, days before the spring semester, they notified students classes would be moving online for the start of the spring semester. They have a lawsuit from a former football coach pending, and an EEOC complaint and likely lawsuit from a recently fired president.

Now professors are not being paid and some are cancelling their classes and refusing to teach.

It’s just circling the drain now. The CIAA will likely be down a member soon.

A final decision regarding the appeal of the withdrawal of the accreditation is due soon.

https://abc11.com/saint-augustine-classe...14424278/#

(02-14-2024 01:41 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 08:43 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Neither Montclair St. nor Rowan has any appetite to move up. The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago. The expense of offering scholarships to move up is too great and there are no obvious destination conferences to go to.
The same holds true for Pace and Staten Island. Even with the NEC needing membership, the potential risks far outweigh the gains.
The third tier Pensy schools have been starved of resources, so the state can invest in the PSU system. They are probably more likely to drop down from D2 or drop some sports to save $ as move up to, what the bloated CAA?

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...ersey.html

From Sept 2022. Any movement on that? A 7K arena would put Rowan on par with Rutgers and SH for capacity, ahead of all other D1 schools in NJ and probably ahead of the A10 schools in Philly. Please show a full plan. How is the arena going to be financed? How are the scholarships going to be financed? At minimum we are talking about finding 170 scholarships, not including football. What D2 conference has agreed to have Rowan as a transition member? What is the destination conference? The Patriot is all private. The AE already has NJIT. The A-10 already has saturation in the market. The AAC won't take a recent move up. The CAA already has Monmouth in NJ. So what are we talking about, the MEAC? If you want it align with David St, explain how moving up will be financed and what conference they think they can get an invite to. Otherwise it is all a “Could” pipe dream.

(02-18-2024 02:47 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 01:41 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 08:43 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Neither Montclair St. nor Rowan has any appetite to move up. The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago. The expense of offering scholarships to move up is too great and there are no obvious destination conferences to go to.
The same holds true for Pace and Staten Island. Even with the NEC needing membership, the potential risks far outweigh the gains.
The third tier Pensy schools have been starved of resources, so the state can invest in the PSU system. They are probably more likely to drop down from D2 or drop some sports to save $ as move up to, what the bloated CAA?

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...ersey.html

From Sept 2022. Any movement on that? A 7K arena would put Rowan on par with Rutgers and SH for capacity, ahead of all other D1 schools in NJ and probably ahead of the A10 schools in Philly. Please show a full plan. How is the arena going to be financed? How are the scholarships going to be financed? At minimum we are talking about finding 170 scholarships, not including football. What D2 conference has agreed to have Rowan as a transition member? What is the destination conference? The Patriot is all private. The AE already has NJIT. The A-10 already has saturation in the market. The AAC won't take a recent move up. The CAA already has Monmouth in NJ. So what are we talking about, the MEAC? If you want it align with David St, explain how moving up will be financed and what conference they think they can get an invite to. Otherwise it is all a “Could” pipe dream.

Rowan added a top notch medical school and other stuff. They got private donations to expand the campus, adding a med school, and also getting money to expand all their sports facilities. That began with plans taken place back in 2016. Plus, I thought I read in 2016 when they said their plans adding all of this that they would expand the football stadium which seats 5000, but could be upgraded to hold 10,000 plus. The city they are in is growing, and Rowan seems to have the money backing from private businesses which is helping the school grow so big.

(02-18-2024 08:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-18-2024 02:47 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 01:41 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 08:43 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Neither Montclair St. nor Rowan has any appetite to move up. The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago. The expense of offering scholarships to move up is too great and there are no obvious destination conferences to go to.
The same holds true for Pace and Staten Island. Even with the NEC needing membership, the potential risks far outweigh the gains.
The third tier Pensy schools have been starved of resources, so the state can invest in the PSU system. They are probably more likely to drop down from D2 or drop some sports to save $ as move up to, what the bloated CAA?

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...ersey.html

From Sept 2022. Any movement on that? A 7K arena would put Rowan on par with Rutgers and SH for capacity, ahead of all other D1 schools in NJ and probably ahead of the A10 schools in Philly. Please show a full plan. How is the arena going to be financed? How are the scholarships going to be financed? At minimum we are talking about finding 170 scholarships, not including football. What D2 conference has agreed to have Rowan as a transition member? What is the destination conference? The Patriot is all private. The AE already has NJIT. The A-10 already has saturation in the market. The AAC won't take a recent move up. The CAA already has Monmouth in NJ. So what are we talking about, the MEAC? If you want it align with David St, explain how moving up will be financed and what conference they think they can get an invite to. Otherwise it is all a “Could” pipe dream.

Rowan added a top notch medical school and other stuff. They got private donations to expand the campus, adding a med school, and also getting money to expand all their sports facilities. That began with plans taken place back in 2016. Plus, I thought I read in 2016 when they said their plans adding all of this that they would expand the football stadium which seats 5000, but could be upgraded to hold 10,000 plus. The city they are in is growing, and Rowan seems to have the money backing from private businesses which is helping the school grow so big.

That's great, they got donations for the med school and other campus expansion but it's all to improve academics and the physical plant. Plans were made in 2016; have those plans been executed to their full completion in the eight years since?

Again, what is the plan for ATHLETICS? How does Rowan establish and maintain funding for the minimum 170 athletic scholarships? What conference affiliation will they have; has Rowan spoken to any conference? Does Rowan have a D1 exploratory committee? Has Rowan done a D1 feasibility study? Has Rowan raised any funds to pay for the costs of moving to D1?

Adding a med school and other stuff doesn't pay the bills for athletics.

(02-18-2024 02:47 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 01:41 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 08:43 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Neither Montclair St. nor Rowan has any appetite to move up. The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago. The expense of offering scholarships to move up is too great and there are no obvious destination conferences to go to.
The same holds true for Pace and Staten Island. Even with the NEC needing membership, the potential risks far outweigh the gains.
The third tier Pensy schools have been starved of resources, so the state can invest in the PSU system. They are probably more likely to drop down from D2 or drop some sports to save $ as move up to, what the bloated CAA?

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...ersey.html

From Sept 2022. Any movement on that? A 7K arena would put Rowan on par with Rutgers and SH for capacity, ahead of all other D1 schools in NJ and probably ahead of the A10 schools in Philly. Please show a full plan. How is the arena going to be financed? How are the scholarships going to be financed? At minimum we are talking about finding 170 scholarships, not including football. What D2 conference has agreed to have Rowan as a transition member? What is the destination conference? The Patriot is all private. The AE already has NJIT. The A-10 already has saturation in the market. The AAC won't take a recent move up. The CAA already has Monmouth in NJ. So what are we talking about, the MEAC? If you want it align with David St, explain how moving up will be financed and what conference they think they can get an invite to. Otherwise it is all a “Could” pipe dream.

Holy Moses! Shift the goal posts much? You stated, "The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago." I responded with a link to an article about Rowan putting out an RFQ for a new 5-7K seat arena. Completely different.

The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant to both the claim you made and the link I posted. I don't care about Rowan at all and I don't have an opinion on what they can or cant do athletically. What I do care about, however, is facts, and since I happened to know about the RFQ, I provided the link.

I just read bad news about St Augustine’s a few days ago, and here comes more. And it’s a big one. The IRS has placed a lein on them for $8 million in unpaid taxes. While it’s also been revealed that they are being sued by numerous vendors for not paying their bills. Included in that group is Field Turf, who is owed almost $600,000 after St Augustine stopped paying them.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/busi...n-tax-lien

As I mentioned in a previous post, they are also facing multiple lawsuits from former employees. Their enrollment dropped from over 1,300 precovid to 900 in 2022, and even lower since then.

Even a miracle is unlikely to help them at this point. They have let so many things pile up for so long, they aren’t going to get out of it. And even if they managed to bring in enough to pay their faculty and recruit students for Fall, they likely wont draw many without accreditation. But an IRS lein that will likely see their campus seized is a bridge too far.

I would say Bob Quillman is a pretty accurate source when it comes to D3 news. The remaining 5 American Southwest Conference schools all considering joining the Coast 2 Coast Conference.

(02-18-2024 08:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-18-2024 02:47 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 01:41 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 08:43 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Neither Montclair St. nor Rowan has any appetite to move up. The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago. The expense of offering scholarships to move up is too great and there are no obvious destination conferences to go to.
The same holds true for Pace and Staten Island. Even with the NEC needing membership, the potential risks far outweigh the gains.
The third tier Pensy schools have been starved of resources, so the state can invest in the PSU system. They are probably more likely to drop down from D2 or drop some sports to save $ as move up to, what the bloated CAA?

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...ersey.html

From Sept 2022. Any movement on that? A 7K arena would put Rowan on par with Rutgers and SH for capacity, ahead of all other D1 schools in NJ and probably ahead of the A10 schools in Philly. Please show a full plan. How is the arena going to be financed? How are the scholarships going to be financed? At minimum we are talking about finding 170 scholarships, not including football. What D2 conference has agreed to have Rowan as a transition member? What is the destination conference? The Patriot is all private. The AE already has NJIT. The A-10 already has saturation in the market. The AAC won't take a recent move up. The CAA already has Monmouth in NJ. So what are we talking about, the MEAC? If you want it align with David St, explain how moving up will be financed and what conference they think they can get an invite to. Otherwise it is all a “Could” pipe dream.

Rowan added a top notch medical school and other stuff. They got private donations to expand the campus, adding a med school, and also getting money to expand all their sports facilities. That began with plans taken place back in 2016. Plus, I thought I read in 2016 when they said their plans adding all of this that they would expand the football stadium which seats 5000, but could be upgraded to hold 10,000 plus. The city they are in is growing, and Rowan seems to have the money backing from private businesses which is helping the school grow so big.

State NJ gave Rowan a medical school when it disbanded UMDNJ. Rutgers was gifted the medical school and cancer institute in Piscataway. The governor at the time - Chris Christy - was no fan of Rutgers. He tried to force RU to transfer the Camden campus including the law school to Rowan. Nobody wanted the teaching hospital in Newark, so it was spun off as a freestanding public institution. What Rowan has added that is significant in NJ is the state’s first veterinary school, but that isn’t even open yet.

Again stop with your “Could” syndrome. Show an actual plan. It doesn’t even have to be for Rowan. Show an actual working plan for any of the fiftyish schools you have listed as “Could” move up. Show where the $$ will come from. What the destination conference will be. How will the D3 schools move up. Show how the schools which do not even have football will go from startup to FBS in time to be ready for the ACC GOR to expire in 2036. Remember, for every male scholarship they have to add at least one female scholarship, so we are talking about adding at minimum 170. Show an actual plan for the when, where, how, why any of those schools in your OP make the jump.

(02-20-2024 05:01 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(02-18-2024 02:47 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 01:41 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 08:43 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Neither Montclair St. nor Rowan has any appetite to move up. The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago. The expense of offering scholarships to move up is too great and there are no obvious destination conferences to go to.
The same holds true for Pace and Staten Island. Even with the NEC needing membership, the potential risks far outweigh the gains.
The third tier Pensy schools have been starved of resources, so the state can invest in the PSU system. They are probably more likely to drop down from D2 or drop some sports to save $ as move up to, what the bloated CAA?

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...ersey.html

From Sept 2022. Any movement on that? A 7K arena would put Rowan on par with Rutgers and SH for capacity, ahead of all other D1 schools in NJ and probably ahead of the A10 schools in Philly. Please show a full plan. How is the arena going to be financed? How are the scholarships going to be financed? At minimum we are talking about finding 170 scholarships, not including football. What D2 conference has agreed to have Rowan as a transition member? What is the destination conference? The Patriot is all private. The AE already has NJIT. The A-10 already has saturation in the market. The AAC won't take a recent move up. The CAA already has Monmouth in NJ. So what are we talking about, the MEAC? If you want it align with David St, explain how moving up will be financed and what conference they think they can get an invite to. Otherwise it is all a “Could” pipe dream.

Holy Moses! Shift the goal posts much? You stated, "The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago." I responded with a link to an article about Rowan putting out an RFQ for a new 5-7K seat arena. Completely different.

The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant to both the claim you made and the link I posted. I don't care about Rowan at all and I don't have an opinion on what they can or cant do athletically. What I do care about, however, is facts, and since I happened to know about the RFQ, I provided the link.

Ok, congratulations you remembered about that article in a local business journal. Very good and a gold star to you. So in ten years or so, there are two pieces of paper both with single source from the president that Rowan is considering moving to D1. I noticed that the article was in a journal with total circulation of 16,600. That is a publication of record for sure. The article is in the commercial real estate section, not the business section or sports section. That is strong evidence. I stand corrected and will welcome Rowan into the (what conference?) with open arms.

A frightening situation involving an NAIA school in California. How bad is it? It ended up on the ESPN front page today.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...ournaments

(02-24-2024 07:05 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  A frightening situation involving an NAIA school in California. How bad is it? It ended up on the ESPN front page today.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...ournaments

From the school:
https://uav.edu/uav-transition-plan/

So apparently they plan to continue online, but has been evicted from their facilities including dorms.

This was from IHE earlier this week that gives more info on how this came about:
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/busi...search=off

(02-24-2024 07:05 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  A frightening situation involving an NAIA school in California. How bad is it? It ended up on the ESPN front page today.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...ournaments

Yep, meant to post this earlier in the week but forgot. Terrible situation they are in. Antelope Valley voted to close down this week (continue online as teamvsn said) and stop athletics in the process. Hope the kick starter and fundraisers they did helps the basketball teams get through the end of the season.

The men's team are having an excellent year and are locks to be in the NAIA tournament at 23-4 having won their conference regular season title. It would really unfair on all the coaches and players to have that chance taken away due to something out of their control. Glad to see they are getting some publicity on ESPN. A further dent to the Cal Pac's conference numbers as well.

(02-24-2024 07:27 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(02-24-2024 07:05 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  A frightening situation involving an NAIA school in California. How bad is it? It ended up on the ESPN front page today.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...ournaments

From the school:
https://uav.edu/uav-transition-plan/

So apparently they plan to continue online, but has been evicted from their facilities including dorms.

This was from IHE earlier this week that gives more info on how this came about:
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/busi...search=off

Summary for those who don’t want to read the article. University of Antelope Valley is a fairly new school which rose thru the ranks from a paramedics training program into a regionally accredited university with Masters degrees, complete with dorms and athletics in just a few decades.

Last year, the university was purchased by a (IMO) shady for profit international education group. The new owners seem to have quickly run it into the ground and done pretty much everything possible wrong-culminating in an abrupt shut down, evicted from their campus, and unable to pay employees.

It was a university I have followed for a number of years, and I’m sad to see this become their fate. It had a lot going for it and I always rooted for them, and boot strapping schools like them. They are more important than many people realize.

Looks like Antelope Valley's post-season is going to be covered. They've raised $24,000 in their GoFundMe, and an education services company has pledged to cover the rest:

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college...234768160/

(02-21-2024 06:40 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 05:01 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(02-18-2024 02:47 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 01:41 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 08:43 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Neither Montclair St. nor Rowan has any appetite to move up. The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago. The expense of offering scholarships to move up is too great and there are no obvious destination conferences to go to.
The same holds true for Pace and Staten Island. Even with the NEC needing membership, the potential risks far outweigh the gains.
The third tier Pensy schools have been starved of resources, so the state can invest in the PSU system. They are probably more likely to drop down from D2 or drop some sports to save $ as move up to, what the bloated CAA?

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...ersey.html

From Sept 2022. Any movement on that? A 7K arena would put Rowan on par with Rutgers and SH for capacity, ahead of all other D1 schools in NJ and probably ahead of the A10 schools in Philly. Please show a full plan. How is the arena going to be financed? How are the scholarships going to be financed? At minimum we are talking about finding 170 scholarships, not including football. What D2 conference has agreed to have Rowan as a transition member? What is the destination conference? The Patriot is all private. The AE already has NJIT. The A-10 already has saturation in the market. The AAC won't take a recent move up. The CAA already has Monmouth in NJ. So what are we talking about, the MEAC? If you want it align with David St, explain how moving up will be financed and what conference they think they can get an invite to. Otherwise it is all a “Could” pipe dream.

Holy Moses! Shift the goal posts much? You stated, "The only evidence it was even thought of is a single email written by the Rowan president years ago." I responded with a link to an article about Rowan putting out an RFQ for a new 5-7K seat arena. Completely different.

The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant to both the claim you made and the link I posted. I don't care about Rowan at all and I don't have an opinion on what they can or cant do athletically. What I do care about, however, is facts, and since I happened to know about the RFQ, I provided the link.

Ok, congratulations you remembered about that article in a local business journal. Very good and a gold star to you. So in ten years or so, there are two pieces of paper both with single source from the president that Rowan is considering moving to D1. I noticed that the article was in a journal with total circulation of 16,600. That is a publication of record for sure. The article is in the commercial real estate section, not the business section or sports section. That is strong evidence. I stand corrected and will welcome Rowan into the (what conference?) with open arms.

(02-25-2024 05:17 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Looks like Antelope Valley's post-season is going to be covered. They've raised $24,000 in their GoFundMe, and an education services company has pledged to cover the rest:

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college...234768160/

That's good to hear!

(02-25-2024 05:17 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Looks like Antelope Valley's post-season is going to be covered. They've raised $24,000 in their GoFundMe, and an education services company has pledged to cover the rest:

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college...234768160/

(02-26-2024 05:37 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  

(02-25-2024 05:17 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Looks like Antelope Valley's post-season is going to be covered. They've raised $24,000 in their GoFundMe, and an education services company has pledged to cover the rest:

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college...234768160/

someone donated $18k this morning!

https://www.gofundme.com/f/Help-UAV-Bask...eir-Season

(02-21-2024 03:28 PM)Mid-Major Hoops Enthusiast Wrote:  I would say Bob Quillman is a pretty accurate source when it comes to D3 news. The remaining 5 American Southwest Conference schools all considering joining the Coast 2 Coast Conference.

I wonder how these schools would qualify for football post-season. Are there at-large bids in D-III football?

UMHB is normally a power in football. Hardin-Simmons is traditionally pretty good, too. I can see where schools would want to get away from UMHB. They have some of the best facilities in D-III, and are a candidate to move to D-II.

All five of these schools are culturally similar. UMHB, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne, and ETBU are Baptist; LeTourneau (non-football) is non-denominational/conservative evangelical. They recruit a lot of the same students. ETBU and LeTourneau are 25 miles apart.