(12-24-2023 06:30 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 03:02 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  So Memphis dropped 10 places in the NET Rankings.
FAU went up 2.
UNT jumped 30!

Memphis was a 15.5 favorite and won by 2(congrats Memphis by the way, I am pulling for you guys, games like that happen and the important thing is to win)
FAU was a 6.5 underdog and won by 1
UNT was a 7.5 favorite and won by 26

Again, I’m not solely saying it’s about beating the spread, but that does seem to have some of the opponent strength formula baked into it.

Vandy was playing like the Lakers today. Rothstein asked the coach, "Is this the best 8 minutes your team has played this year?". He was basically saying where has this team been all year.

No excuses for playing that bad, but it was obvious they were anxious to get out of town for the holidays. Memphis does tend to play up or down to their competition. We do it football too.

(12-24-2023 10:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 06:57 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 06:53 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Only dropped 4 in KP so better hope they are more similar than you are saying haha

We won this game. We won't drop much if at all. I suppose when your program is a dumpster fire, you have to snipe at your betters. Vandy would have had your boys bent over a barrel, but the Shockers are used to being a "bottom" kind of program.

We dropped 10 spots overnight, from 28 to 38, just like Stickboy figured.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...kings/net/

Like I said, it wasnt shade, just a reality of how the NET works.

It's too far weighted in the efficiency metrics and rewards blowing out bad teams (or harms for barely beating bad teams) too much.

(12-24-2023 10:40 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 06:30 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 03:02 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  So Memphis dropped 10 places in the NET Rankings.
FAU went up 2.
UNT jumped 30!

Memphis was a 15.5 favorite and won by 2(congrats Memphis by the way, I am pulling for you guys, games like that happen and the important thing is to win)
FAU was a 6.5 underdog and won by 1
UNT was a 7.5 favorite and won by 26

Again, I’m not solely saying it’s about beating the spread, but that does seem to have some of the opponent strength formula baked into it.

Vandy was playing like the Lakers today. Rothstein asked the coach, "Is this the best 8 minutes your team has played this year?". He was basically saying where has this team been all year.

No excuses for playing that bad, but it was obvious they were anxious to get out of town for the holidays. Memphis does tend to play up or down to their competition. We do it football too.

It’s a 30 game season(give or take) and these are young humans. The best coaching in the world won’t keep them razor focused for the entirety of the season. FAU had a random clunker too, and they lost that game. Memphis found a way to win. It happens, and come selection Sunday nobody is going to be talking about the close call Memphis had against Vandy.

(12-24-2023 11:11 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 10:40 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 06:30 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 03:02 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  So Memphis dropped 10 places in the NET Rankings.
FAU went up 2.
UNT jumped 30!

Memphis was a 15.5 favorite and won by 2(congrats Memphis by the way, I am pulling for you guys, games like that happen and the important thing is to win)
FAU was a 6.5 underdog and won by 1
UNT was a 7.5 favorite and won by 26

Again, I’m not solely saying it’s about beating the spread, but that does seem to have some of the opponent strength formula baked into it.

Vandy was playing like the Lakers today. Rothstein asked the coach, "Is this the best 8 minutes your team has played this year?". He was basically saying where has this team been all year.

No excuses for playing that bad, but it was obvious they were anxious to get out of town for the holidays. Memphis does tend to play up or down to their competition. We do it football too.

It’s a 30 game season(give or take) and these are young humans. The best coaching in the world won’t keep them razor focused for the entirety of the season. FAU had a random clunker too, and they lost that game. Memphis found a way to win. It happens, and come selection Sunday nobody is going to be talking about the close call Memphis had against Vandy.

Absolutely true. It just sucks that it matters so much in the NET, which is the main evaluation tool.

(12-24-2023 11:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 11:11 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 10:40 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 06:30 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 03:02 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  So Memphis dropped 10 places in the NET Rankings.
FAU went up 2.
UNT jumped 30!

Memphis was a 15.5 favorite and won by 2(congrats Memphis by the way, I am pulling for you guys, games like that happen and the important thing is to win)
FAU was a 6.5 underdog and won by 1
UNT was a 7.5 favorite and won by 26

Again, I’m not solely saying it’s about beating the spread, but that does seem to have some of the opponent strength formula baked into it.

Vandy was playing like the Lakers today. Rothstein asked the coach, "Is this the best 8 minutes your team has played this year?". He was basically saying where has this team been all year.

No excuses for playing that bad, but it was obvious they were anxious to get out of town for the holidays. Memphis does tend to play up or down to their competition. We do it football too.

It’s a 30 game season(give or take) and these are young humans. The best coaching in the world won’t keep them razor focused for the entirety of the season. FAU had a random clunker too, and they lost that game. Memphis found a way to win. It happens, and come selection Sunday nobody is going to be talking about the close call Memphis had against Vandy.

Absolutely true. It just sucks that it matters so much in the NET, which is the main evaluation tool.

Thankfully, your actual NET ranking seems to matter less come selection Sunday than the NET rankings of the teams you beat (or lost to)

(12-24-2023 10:59 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Like I said, it wasnt shade, just a reality of how the NET works.

It's too far weighted in the efficiency metrics and rewards blowing out bad teams (or harms for barely beating bad teams) too much.

I expected a drop, but dropping by ten is surprising and you were correct about the hit. Thankfully, the NCAA uses KPI in addition to the NET, and we're ranked #2 there.

What is KPI in college basketball?

(12-24-2023 11:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 11:11 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 10:40 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 06:30 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 03:02 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  So Memphis dropped 10 places in the NET Rankings.
FAU went up 2.
UNT jumped 30!

Memphis was a 15.5 favorite and won by 2(congrats Memphis by the way, I am pulling for you guys, games like that happen and the important thing is to win)
FAU was a 6.5 underdog and won by 1
UNT was a 7.5 favorite and won by 26

Again, I’m not solely saying it’s about beating the spread, but that does seem to have some of the opponent strength formula baked into it.

Vandy was playing like the Lakers today. Rothstein asked the coach, "Is this the best 8 minutes your team has played this year?". He was basically saying where has this team been all year.

No excuses for playing that bad, but it was obvious they were anxious to get out of town for the holidays. Memphis does tend to play up or down to their competition. We do it football too.

It’s a 30 game season(give or take) and these are young humans. The best coaching in the world won’t keep them razor focused for the entirety of the season. FAU had a random clunker too, and they lost that game. Memphis found a way to win. It happens, and come selection Sunday nobody is going to be talking about the close call Memphis had against Vandy.

Absolutely true. It just sucks that it matters so much in the NET, which is the main evaluation tool.

What bothers me is the net is using Vegas odds to make their calculations. Just bites my ass. Vegas odds are based on the opinions of the public. Which if you think about it is the eye test, just dressed differently.

When people talk about the "reality" of how it works, it makes no sense. There is no "reality" in a black opaque box. We don't know what the reality is, because we don't know what's inside the box. Which means we don't know what were supposed to do other than win. There's your reality. Vegas uses odds to sway/swindle the public to maximize profit. Opinions aren't "reality".

How do you drop 10 spots for a win? The problem is it's just too complex to compartmentalize and formulate the data. Did Vandy play out of their ass in a rivalry game (for them)? Yeah. Did Memphis play like **** because they couldn't wait to get out of there? Yeah.

Did Memphis win the game? Yeah.

(12-24-2023 11:55 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  What bothers me is the net is using Vegas odds to make their calculations. Just bites my ass. Vegas odds are based on the opinions of the public. Which if you think about it is the eye test, just dressed differently.

The NET doesn't use Vegas odds. Where did you read that?

(12-24-2023 06:30 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 03:02 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  So Memphis dropped 10 places in the NET Rankings.
FAU went up 2.
UNT jumped 30!

Memphis was a 15.5 favorite and won by 2(congrats Memphis by the way, I am pulling for you guys, games like that happen and the important thing is to win)
FAU was a 6.5 underdog and won by 1
UNT was a 7.5 favorite and won by 26

Again, I’m not solely saying it’s about beating the spread, but that does seem to have some of the opponent strength formula baked into it.

Because of this I was really hoping for a blowout over Vandy. Was pretty ticked that it didn't happen. Then I heard Penny's post-game presser.

I feel better about the low margin of victory because 3 guys were playing through issues.

Walton has an ankle problem and was playing through intense pain. Penny said he doesn't know how he did it.

He needs to sit out until his ankle is back to 100%. We're talking Austin Peay. Tulsa is just under 2 weeks away. If it's not better by then, no big deal.

Mills and Jones are both sick with some kind of bug. Might be the flu, who knows. But they were both on IVs before and after the game.

Penny said they might not be able to go home for Christmas due to airline policies on sickness.


So for 3 key guys to be playing through that kind of stuff and we won -- I'm OK with a 2pt win.

Imagine what kind of hit our net would take if we had lost.

Ultimately a tick in the left-hand column is always better than in the right-hand column. We can recover from the hit, and it won't hurt our chances of making the tournament. Good teams lay eggs here and there. This is college basketball we're talking about. Factor the injuries, illnesses, adding a new player (who saw significant minutes), and the fact that most players were literally taking flights home after the game for Christmas; and it's not a tremendous leap to have expected this kind of outcome. Again, we won, and that's what's most important. 10-2 after running the gauntlet is hard to complain about, and the conference would do well if it wasn't relying on FAU, Memphis, and hopefully SMU to prop it up.

(12-24-2023 07:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 06:30 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 03:02 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  So Memphis dropped 10 places in the NET Rankings.
FAU went up 2.
UNT jumped 30!

Memphis was a 15.5 favorite and won by 2(congrats Memphis by the way, I am pulling for you guys, games like that happen and the important thing is to win)
FAU was a 6.5 underdog and won by 1
UNT was a 7.5 favorite and won by 26

Again, I’m not solely saying it’s about beating the spread, but that does seem to have some of the opponent strength formula baked into it.

Thanks for your insight.

The peril of playing in the AAC is the better teams are not allowed an off night withe lesser teams. The AAC with its Quad 4 teams (six home presently) means even a win can result in double digit NET loss. In contrast, conferences with less Quad 4 teams have more cushion for off nights.

Fortunately, Memphis has the capacity to blow out teams (e.g., Virginia) and the players and coaches must understand its necessity.

Any poll that has us currently ranked 38 is a POS. Maybe it irons itself out in the long run, but at the moment it’s a notch above worthless (unless we’re talking about UTSA Bb).

Final
Temple 55
Portland 54

Wraps up the week.

Just getting back to it after a few days off celebrating the birth of our Savior!


Sun Night: 1-0 (1.000)
Week: 14-6 (.700)
Season: 103-62 (.624)

Two consecutive weeks going 14-6 (.700). That's our 2nd best weekly record after Week 1 at 24-5 (.828).

(12-28-2023 03:23 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Just getting back to it after a few days off celebrating the birth of our Savior.

Glad to see you back. Thanks for taking the time to keep track of it all.