If this passes in anything like what is described here I am out on all college sports. If I want to watch pro-sports I'll watch the top level like the NFL or MLB.
I think this or something very close to this is coming soon to a P4 school near you.....
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Let's hope this happens and finally allows Memphis to play at the lower level division that it needs to be playing at. Memphis doesn't have Boosters with the will power to pony up the Mega money required to compete at the highest level and that's ok.
When this happens it will decrease Memphis fans frustration and etc and be content on the level we're competing on.
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(12-09-2023 05:37 PM)TigersTigers Wrote: Let's hope this happens and finally allows Memphis to play at the lower level division that it needs to be playing at. Memphis doesn't have Boosters with the will power to pony up the Mega money required to compete at the highest level and that's ok.
When this happens it will decrease Memphis fans frustration and etc and be content on the level we're competing on.
I expect it to expand the schools in the level that we're competing on to include the Mississippi schools, Arkansas, Vandy, etc. So, I do expect us to be content.
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(12-10-2023 01:12 PM)micman Wrote:
(12-09-2023 05:37 PM)TigersTigers Wrote: Let's hope this happens and finally allows Memphis to play at the lower level division that it needs to be playing at. Memphis doesn't have Boosters with the will power to pony up the Mega money required to compete at the highest level and that's ok.
When this happens it will decrease Memphis fans frustration and etc and be content on the level we're competing on.
I expect it to expand the schools in the level that we're competing on to include the Mississippi schools, Arkansas, Vandy, etc. So, I do expect us to be content.
I do not know about the MS schools. However, AR has some extremely deep pockets where money is not really an issue. They are also the only show in the entire state so they get the benefit of a bunch of small but very loyal checkbooks...
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Traditional conferences would not exist. Memphis and Tulane could very well opt in, while most of the rest of the AAC opt out. It's a school by school basis. At the same time, some existing P5's could opt out. At the end of the day, you end up with pro-style divisions (Southeast, Midwest, Atlantic, etc.).
The proposal is that over half of your schollies would have to be on payroll. So think football, basketball (M&W), baseball, and softball. The other programs may still exist (soccer, golf, volley, etc.), but play down in the non-pay division.
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(12-12-2023 10:27 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: Traditional conferences would not exist. Memphis and Tulane could very well opt in, while most of the rest of the AAC opt out. It's a school by school basis. At the same time, some existing P5's could opt out. At the end of the day, you end up with pro-style divisions (Southeast, Midwest, Atlantic, etc.).
The proposal is that over half of your schollies would have to be on payroll. So think football, basketball (M&W), baseball, and softball. The other programs may still exist (soccer, golf, volley, etc.), but play down in the non-pay division.
My theory, at least...
I don't see anything in the proposed plan about traditional conferences no longer existing. Just opting in to pay the athletes or opting out.
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(12-12-2023 10:29 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:
(12-12-2023 10:27 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: Traditional conferences would not exist. Memphis and Tulane could very well opt in, while most of the rest of the AAC opt out. It's a school by school basis. At the same time, some existing P5's could opt out. At the end of the day, you end up with pro-style divisions (Southeast, Midwest, Atlantic, etc.).
The proposal is that over half of your schollies would have to be on payroll. So think football, basketball (M&W), baseball, and softball. The other programs may still exist (soccer, golf, volley, etc.), but play down in the non-pay division.
My theory, at least...
I don't see anything in the proposed plan about traditional conferences no longer existing. Just opting in to pay the athletes or opting out.
Well it's my theory - but based upon the fact that these decisions will be made by schools and not conferences. Memphis or Wash State could opt in. K-State or Ga Tech might opt out. And what about BEast schools with football (UConn)?
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(12-11-2023 08:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-10-2023 01:12 PM)micman Wrote:
(12-09-2023 05:37 PM)TigersTigers Wrote: Let's hope this happens and finally allows Memphis to play at the lower level division that it needs to be playing at. Memphis doesn't have Boosters with the will power to pony up the Mega money required to compete at the highest level and that's ok.
When this happens it will decrease Memphis fans frustration and etc and be content on the level we're competing on.
I expect it to expand the schools in the level that we're competing on to include the Mississippi schools, Arkansas, Vandy, etc. So, I do expect us to be content.
I do not know about the MS schools. However, AR has some extremely deep pockets where money is not really an issue. They are also the only show in the entire state so they get the benefit of a bunch of small but very loyal checkbooks...
Arkansas is already a Top 25 Revenue producing school. Even the baseball team turns a profit some seasons. And...like you said, it is the only real show in the State. When you add up the NWA, Little Rock, and Jonesboro media market, you surpass 1,000,000 TV households and places it on par with the KC media market with no competition from professional sports.
(This post was last modified: 12-12-2023 03:17 PM by Wayward Memphian.)
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(12-12-2023 11:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:
(12-12-2023 10:29 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:
(12-12-2023 10:27 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: Traditional conferences would not exist. Memphis and Tulane could very well opt in, while most of the rest of the AAC opt out. It's a school by school basis. At the same time, some existing P5's could opt out. At the end of the day, you end up with pro-style divisions (Southeast, Midwest, Atlantic, etc.).
The proposal is that over half of your schollies would have to be on payroll. So think football, basketball (M&W), baseball, and softball. The other programs may still exist (soccer, golf, volley, etc.), but play down in the non-pay division.
My theory, at least...
I don't see anything in the proposed plan about traditional conferences no longer existing. Just opting in to pay the athletes or opting out.
Well it's my theory - but based upon the fact that these decisions will be made by schools and not conferences. Memphis or Wash State could opt in. K-State or Ga Tech might opt out. And what about BEast schools with football (UConn)?
Just a theory.
It makes sense that the conferences would try to mandate opting in or out, to keep the playing field level in their own conference. For instance, the SEC says opt-in or leave the conference.
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(12-12-2023 03:00 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-11-2023 08:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-10-2023 01:12 PM)micman Wrote:
(12-09-2023 05:37 PM)TigersTigers Wrote: Let's hope this happens and finally allows Memphis to play at the lower level division that it needs to be playing at. Memphis doesn't have Boosters with the will power to pony up the Mega money required to compete at the highest level and that's ok.
When this happens it will decrease Memphis fans frustration and etc and be content on the level we're competing on.
I expect it to expand the schools in the level that we're competing on to include the Mississippi schools, Arkansas, Vandy, etc. So, I do expect us to be content.
I do not know about the MS schools. However, AR has some extremely deep pockets where money is not really an issue. They are also the only show in the entire state so they get the benefit of a bunch of small but very loyal checkbooks...
Arkansas is already a Top 25 Revenue producing school. Even the baseball team turns a profit some seasons. And...like you said, it is the only real show in the State. When you add up the NWA, Little Rock, and Jonesboro media market, you surpass 1,000,000 TV households and places it on par with the KC media market with no competition from professional sports.
NWA is expected to surpass 1 million on its own in the next 10-15 years as well...
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(12-12-2023 04:51 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-12-2023 03:00 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-11-2023 08:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-10-2023 01:12 PM)micman Wrote:
(12-09-2023 05:37 PM)TigersTigers Wrote: Let's hope this happens and finally allows Memphis to play at the lower level division that it needs to be playing at. Memphis doesn't have Boosters with the will power to pony up the Mega money required to compete at the highest level and that's ok.
When this happens it will decrease Memphis fans frustration and etc and be content on the level we're competing on.
I expect it to expand the schools in the level that we're competing on to include the Mississippi schools, Arkansas, Vandy, etc. So, I do expect us to be content.
I do not know about the MS schools. However, AR has some extremely deep pockets where money is not really an issue. They are also the only show in the entire state so they get the benefit of a bunch of small but very loyal checkbooks...
Arkansas is already a Top 25 Revenue producing school. Even the baseball team turns a profit some seasons. And...like you said, it is the only real show in the State. When you add up the NWA, Little Rock, and Jonesboro media market, you surpass 1,000,000 TV households and places it on par with the KC media market with no competition from professional sports.
NWA is expected to surpass 1 million on its own in the next 10-15 years as well...
That's total population not total tv households. But... yes, NWA is expected to hit 900k to 1 million by 2045.
To me, ideally, you set up College based professional football like the Euros do Soccer with the English premiere league, La Liga, ect, ect, ect. Within each league you have tiers with promotion and relegation, the champions of the leagues get a shot at a Champions league playoff in the spring.(March to May) this keeps the importance of the league championships and creates an addition revenue windfall with the Spring Playoff.
You get the play in games at the end of the season for promotion for additional important games for tv.
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(12-13-2023 08:55 AM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-12-2023 04:51 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-12-2023 03:00 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-11-2023 08:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-10-2023 01:12 PM)micman Wrote: I expect it to expand the schools in the level that we're competing on to include the Mississippi schools, Arkansas, Vandy, etc. So, I do expect us to be content.
I do not know about the MS schools. However, AR has some extremely deep pockets where money is not really an issue. They are also the only show in the entire state so they get the benefit of a bunch of small but very loyal checkbooks...
Arkansas is already a Top 25 Revenue producing school. Even the baseball team turns a profit some seasons. And...like you said, it is the only real show in the State. When you add up the NWA, Little Rock, and Jonesboro media market, you surpass 1,000,000 TV households and places it on par with the KC media market with no competition from professional sports.
NWA is expected to surpass 1 million on its own in the next 10-15 years as well...
That's total population not total tv households. But... yes, NWA is expected to hit 900k to 1 million by 2045.
To me, ideally, you set up College based professional football like the Euros do Soccer with the English premiere league, La Liga, ect, ect, ect. Within each league you have tiers with promotion and relegation, the champions of the leagues get a shot at a Champions league playoff in the spring.(March to May) this keeps the importance of the league championships and creates an addition revenue windfall with the Spring Playoff.
You get the play in games at the end of the season for promotion for additional important games for tv.
Hogs are in a bad spot now that Texas and OU are in the SEC. You will be behind those two, A&M and LSU in the recruiting pecking order in Texas. You need to get rid of that boring aw shucks coach and go outside the box with your next hire
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(12-13-2023 09:32 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:
(12-13-2023 08:55 AM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-12-2023 04:51 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-12-2023 03:00 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-11-2023 08:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote: I do not know about the MS schools. However, AR has some extremely deep pockets where money is not really an issue. They are also the only show in the entire state so they get the benefit of a bunch of small but very loyal checkbooks...
Arkansas is already a Top 25 Revenue producing school. Even the baseball team turns a profit some seasons. And...like you said, it is the only real show in the State. When you add up the NWA, Little Rock, and Jonesboro media market, you surpass 1,000,000 TV households and places it on par with the KC media market with no competition from professional sports.
NWA is expected to surpass 1 million on its own in the next 10-15 years as well...
That's total population not total tv households. But... yes, NWA is expected to hit 900k to 1 million by 2045.
To me, ideally, you set up College based professional football like the Euros do Soccer with the English premiere league, La Liga, ect, ect, ect. Within each league you have tiers with promotion and relegation, the champions of the leagues get a shot at a Champions league playoff in the spring.(March to May) this keeps the importance of the league championships and creates an addition revenue windfall with the Spring Playoff.
You get the play in games at the end of the season for promotion for additional important games for tv.
Hogs are in a bad spot now that Texas and OU are in the SEC. You will be behind those two, A&M and LSU in the recruiting pecking order in Texas. You need to get rid of that boring aw shucks coach and go outside the box with your next hire
They just brought Bobby Petrino back in as offensive coordinator. It is a popular opinion that he basically next man up if Pittman doesn't have a good 2024 season.
RE: NCAA President propose a new FBS subdivision where schools directly pay student athle
(12-13-2023 09:32 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:
(12-13-2023 08:55 AM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-12-2023 04:51 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-12-2023 03:00 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-11-2023 08:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote: I do not know about the MS schools. However, AR has some extremely deep pockets where money is not really an issue. They are also the only show in the entire state so they get the benefit of a bunch of small but very loyal checkbooks...
Arkansas is already a Top 25 Revenue producing school. Even the baseball team turns a profit some seasons. And...like you said, it is the only real show in the State. When you add up the NWA, Little Rock, and Jonesboro media market, you surpass 1,000,000 TV households and places it on par with the KC media market with no competition from professional sports.
NWA is expected to surpass 1 million on its own in the next 10-15 years as well...
That's total population not total tv households. But... yes, NWA is expected to hit 900k to 1 million by 2045.
To me, ideally, you set up College based professional football like the Euros do Soccer with the English premiere league, La Liga, ect, ect, ect. Within each league you have tiers with promotion and relegation, the champions of the leagues get a shot at a Champions league playoff in the spring.(March to May) this keeps the importance of the league championships and creates an addition revenue windfall with the Spring Playoff.
You get the play in games at the end of the season for promotion for additional important games for tv.
Hogs are in a bad spot now that Texas and OU are in the SEC. You will be behind those two, A&M and LSU in the recruiting pecking order in Texas. You need to get rid of that boring aw shucks coach and go outside the box with your next hire
This is a big issue if the SEC and B10 split off and only play each other...or limit themselves to 1 or 2 ooc games. There are a lot of programs that are used to 6-8 win seasons and the occasional 10 win or better season because they can play a few lower level teams each year. In a limited OOC scenario they will be 3-4 win teams most years with the occasional 6 or 7 win season every decade.
What does the interest level of those programs look like in 2040 after 10-15 years of bottom feeding? What about the Vandy's, Rutgers, IUs that go from 4-6 win teams to 0-2 win teams most years?
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(12-13-2023 10:11 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:
(12-13-2023 09:32 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:
(12-13-2023 08:55 AM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-12-2023 04:51 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-12-2023 03:00 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote: Arkansas is already a Top 25 Revenue producing school. Even the baseball team turns a profit some seasons. And...like you said, it is the only real show in the State. When you add up the NWA, Little Rock, and Jonesboro media market, you surpass 1,000,000 TV households and places it on par with the KC media market with no competition from professional sports.
NWA is expected to surpass 1 million on its own in the next 10-15 years as well...
That's total population not total tv households. But... yes, NWA is expected to hit 900k to 1 million by 2045.
To me, ideally, you set up College based professional football like the Euros do Soccer with the English premiere league, La Liga, ect, ect, ect. Within each league you have tiers with promotion and relegation, the champions of the leagues get a shot at a Champions league playoff in the spring.(March to May) this keeps the importance of the league championships and creates an addition revenue windfall with the Spring Playoff.
You get the play in games at the end of the season for promotion for additional important games for tv.
Hogs are in a bad spot now that Texas and OU are in the SEC. You will be behind those two, A&M and LSU in the recruiting pecking order in Texas. You need to get rid of that boring aw shucks coach and go outside the box with your next hire
This is a big issue if the SEC and B10 split off and only play each other...or limit themselves to 1 or 2 ooc games. There are a lot of programs that are used to 6-8 win seasons and the occasional 10 win or better season because they can play a few lower level teams each year. In a limited OOC scenario they will be 3-4 win teams most years with the occasional 6 or 7 win season every decade.
What does the interest level of those programs look like in 2040 after 10-15 years of bottom feeding? What about the Vandy's, Rutgers, IUs that go from 4-6 win teams to 0-2 win teams most years?
I’ve said it a million times. Big time needle moving powerhouses like Michigan, Ohio State, Texas etc eventually won’t want to split the money with Rutgers , Mississippi State, South Carolina , Purdue etc and will broker their own deal. Even an Alabama minus Sabin down the road could get passed up. And I wonder how long the random fan will still watch when that happens. It would basically be like minor league baseball. Will NFL teams start drafting out of high school and place their players at these football factories ? Problem is we love it and keep watching
(This post was last modified: 12-13-2023 10:27 AM by Eagleonpar.)
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(12-12-2023 04:49 PM)aardWolf Wrote:
(12-12-2023 11:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:
(12-12-2023 10:29 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:
(12-12-2023 10:27 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: Traditional conferences would not exist. Memphis and Tulane could very well opt in, while most of the rest of the AAC opt out. It's a school by school basis. At the same time, some existing P5's could opt out. At the end of the day, you end up with pro-style divisions (Southeast, Midwest, Atlantic, etc.).
The proposal is that over half of your schollies would have to be on payroll. So think football, basketball (M&W), baseball, and softball. The other programs may still exist (soccer, golf, volley, etc.), but play down in the non-pay division.
My theory, at least...
I don't see anything in the proposed plan about traditional conferences no longer existing. Just opting in to pay the athletes or opting out.
Well it's my theory - but based upon the fact that these decisions will be made by schools and not conferences. Memphis or Wash State could opt in. K-State or Ga Tech might opt out. And what about BEast schools with football (UConn)?
Just a theory.
It makes sense that the conferences would try to mandate opting in or out, to keep the playing field level in their own conference. For instance, the SEC says opt-in or leave the conference.
Maybe. But the playing field won't be level by design. Schools can pay whatever they want after opting in. Do you think Miss St and Vandy will pay the same as Bama?
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(12-13-2023 09:32 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:
(12-13-2023 08:55 AM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-12-2023 04:51 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-12-2023 03:00 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-11-2023 08:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote: I do not know about the MS schools. However, AR has some extremely deep pockets where money is not really an issue. They are also the only show in the entire state so they get the benefit of a bunch of small but very loyal checkbooks...
Arkansas is already a Top 25 Revenue producing school. Even the baseball team turns a profit some seasons. And...like you said, it is the only real show in the State. When you add up the NWA, Little Rock, and Jonesboro media market, you surpass 1,000,000 TV households and places it on par with the KC media market with no competition from professional sports.
NWA is expected to surpass 1 million on its own in the next 10-15 years as well...
That's total population not total tv households. But... yes, NWA is expected to hit 900k to 1 million by 2045.
To me, ideally, you set up College based professional football like the Euros do Soccer with the English premiere league, La Liga, ect, ect, ect. Within each league you have tiers with promotion and relegation, the champions of the leagues get a shot at a Champions league playoff in the spring.(March to May) this keeps the importance of the league championships and creates an addition revenue windfall with the Spring Playoff.
You get the play in games at the end of the season for promotion for additional important games for tv.
Hogs are in a bad spot now that Texas and OU are in the SEC. You will be behind those two, A&M and LSU in the recruiting pecking order in Texas. You need to get rid of that boring aw shucks coach and go outside the box with your next hire
I'll take "The 60s, 70s and 80s" for a thousand Alex.
This is nothing new. We were the only non Texas school in the SWC when SMU was basically a professional team and did ok with a snoozer HC named Hatfield with a Holtz and Broyles before him. In terms of Texas kids non athlete Texas kids are choosing Arkansas over Oklahoma these days.
(This post was last modified: 12-13-2023 02:38 PM by Wayward Memphian.)
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(12-13-2023 02:37 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-13-2023 09:32 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:
(12-13-2023 08:55 AM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:
(12-12-2023 04:51 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:
(12-12-2023 03:00 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote: Arkansas is already a Top 25 Revenue producing school. Even the baseball team turns a profit some seasons. And...like you said, it is the only real show in the State. When you add up the NWA, Little Rock, and Jonesboro media market, you surpass 1,000,000 TV households and places it on par with the KC media market with no competition from professional sports.
NWA is expected to surpass 1 million on its own in the next 10-15 years as well...
That's total population not total tv households. But... yes, NWA is expected to hit 900k to 1 million by 2045.
To me, ideally, you set up College based professional football like the Euros do Soccer with the English premiere league, La Liga, ect, ect, ect. Within each league you have tiers with promotion and relegation, the champions of the leagues get a shot at a Champions league playoff in the spring.(March to May) this keeps the importance of the league championships and creates an addition revenue windfall with the Spring Playoff.
You get the play in games at the end of the season for promotion for additional important games for tv.
Hogs are in a bad spot now that Texas and OU are in the SEC. You will be behind those two, A&M and LSU in the recruiting pecking order in Texas. You need to get rid of that boring aw shucks coach and go outside the box with your next hire
I'll take "The 60s, 70s and 80s" for a thousand Alex.
This is nothing new. We were the only non Texas school in the SWC when SMU was basically a professional team and did ok with a snoozer HC named Hatfield with a Holtz and Broyles before him. In terms of Texas kids non athlete Texas kids are choosing Arkansas over Oklahoma these days.
I would think someone like Tennessee would be closer to being in trouble. No real recruiting base in the direct area, especially if Clemson is rolling, Georgia is rolling, and Florida/FSU/Miami are rolling. Besides a couple of blips, they have struggled for over 2 decades now. They are way ahead of Memphis and Vandy, but if you see a breakaway of the top 20-25 teams would they really be considered? I guess if you want to count the Nashville market then a case could be made, but the Nashville market is quickly becoming a market of transplants with loyalties tied to the East and West Coasts.
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NCAA President propose a new FBS subdivision where schools directly pay student athle
