(12-05-2023 11:30 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 11:27 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  Future Home of the USF BULLS!

So excited. Looks great. And having already raised 43 million out of 50 from Private is fantastic news

That's just incredible! Congratulations to every Bulls fan. That stadium will be great for recruiting, homecomings, and donations. A strong USF only helps The American. Way to go!

(12-06-2023 09:39 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Precast/prestressed concrete is great stuff. If I'm remembering correctly Houston and Tulane both used it to build their stadiums. UNT's stadium looks to have been built with it as well.

And you can absolutely rest assured that it will not bounce.

Going to be a nice looking place. Looking forward to making the trip to see it

Congrats

Yep, Yulman Stadium is steel with precast concrete on top. It's very solid and feels like a totally concrete stadium when you're in the seats. Surprised the price tag on this one is so high if they're going that route though.

(12-07-2023 02:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 11:30 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 11:27 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  Future Home of the USF BULLS!

So excited. Looks great. And having already raised 43 million out of 50 from Private is fantastic news

That's just incredible! Congratulations to every Bulls fan. That stadium will be great for recruiting, homecomings, and donations. A strong USF only helps The American. Way to go!

Really nice.

(12-07-2023 11:46 PM)rollgreenwave Wrote:  

(12-06-2023 09:39 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Precast/prestressed concrete is great stuff. If I'm remembering correctly Houston and Tulane both used it to build their stadiums. UNT's stadium looks to have been built with it as well.

And you can absolutely rest assured that it will not bounce.

Going to be a nice looking place. Looking forward to making the trip to see it

Congrats

Yep, Yulman Stadium is steel with precast concrete on top. It's very solid and feels like a totally concrete stadium when you're in the seats. Surprised the price tag on this one is so high if they're going that route though.

I think the price compared to Yulman’s is obviously inflation from past 10 years.
Also stadium is larger at 35,000, it will have more luxury boxes and amenities
Finally you also have the Football Facility attached to it.

SDSU and Colorado State’s stadium were used more as a pattern on what to strive for.

Seeing a lot of debate online about this N/S, versus E/W distinction. Is it really that big of a problem to go E/W? (They are saying receivers and QB will be looking into the sun, and problems like that...) Could we literally not fit it N/S?

(12-08-2023 11:56 AM)Bull Wrote:  Seeing a lot of debate online about this N/S, versus E/W distinction. Is it really that big of a problem to go E/W? (They are saying receivers and QB will be looking into the sun, and problems like that...) Could we literally not fit it N/S?

There's plenty of land available so I don't there's an orientation constraint due to lack of space.

Maybe because the stadium site is due north of the indoor facility and thus will be due north of the new football facility.

If the stadium is due north, then maybe the endzone areas need to be rotated to EW due to logistics. Might allow easier access for equipment trucks, trucks for other events such a concerts, etc.

As I look at the site on maps, it looks to be more of a squeeze to go EW than NS.

But I do think it's probably due to the location of where the football facility will be. I assume the football facility will be connected to the indoor facility on the south and the stadium on the north.

So I'm assuming it's a matter of logistical rather than space constraint.

clt says it is foolish to not be north south

(12-08-2023 02:51 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 11:56 AM)Bull Wrote:  Seeing a lot of debate online about this N/S, versus E/W distinction. Is it really that big of a problem to go E/W? (They are saying receivers and QB will be looking into the sun, and problems like that...) Could we literally not fit it N/S?

There's plenty of land available so I don't there's an orientation constraint due to lack of space.

Maybe because the stadium site is due north of the indoor facility and thus will be due north of the new football facility.

If the stadium is due north, then maybe the endzone areas need to be rotated to EW due to logistics. Might allow easier access for equipment trucks, trucks for other events such a concerts, etc.

As I look at the site on maps, it looks to be more of a squeeze to go EW than NS.

But I do think it's probably due to the location of where the football facility will be. I assume the football facility will be connected to the indoor facility on the south and the stadium on the north.

So I'm assuming it's a matter of logistical rather than space constraint.

The E/W designation was chosen due to considerations about Sun exposure. In the Q/A prior to design one of the biggest complaints was full Sun exposure for noon and afternoon games at RJS. The E/W designation was decided after doing Sun exposure studies.

(12-08-2023 05:26 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 02:51 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 11:56 AM)Bull Wrote:  Seeing a lot of debate online about this N/S, versus E/W distinction. Is it really that big of a problem to go E/W? (They are saying receivers and QB will be looking into the sun, and problems like that...) Could we literally not fit it N/S?

There's plenty of land available so I don't there's an orientation constraint due to lack of space.

Maybe because the stadium site is due north of the indoor facility and thus will be due north of the new football facility.

If the stadium is due north, then maybe the endzone areas need to be rotated to EW due to logistics. Might allow easier access for equipment trucks, trucks for other events such a concerts, etc.

As I look at the site on maps, it looks to be more of a squeeze to go EW than NS.

But I do think it's probably due to the location of where the football facility will be. I assume the football facility will be connected to the indoor facility on the south and the stadium on the north.

So I'm assuming it's a matter of logistical rather than space constraint.

The E/W designation was chosen due to considerations about Sun exposure. In the Q/A prior to design one of the biggest complaints was full Sun exposure for noon and afternoon games at RJS. The E/W designation was decided after doing Sun exposure studies.

Was the Q&A drawing from games at Raymond James which is oriented due NS? Or did it draw from stadium experiences across the country?

The vast majority of P5 stadiums have a NW to SE orientation. Very few

Due EW Orientations in P5 (link)
$EC - zero
PAC-12 - 2
Big 12 - 1
B1G - 1
ACC - 1*

* 1 additional stadium has a slight E (NE) W (SW) orientation.


American Orientations
USF - due NS
Charlotte - NW-SE
ECU - slightly off EW (nWsE)
Temple - slightly off NS (NwSe)
UAB - NW-SE
Tulane - NE-SW
Memphis - NW-SE
Navy - NW-SE
Rice - almost due NS
North Texas - almost due NS
UTSA - NS (dome)
SMU - almost due NS
Army - almost due NS

Maybe we are overthinking it... I guess if the just don't be playing either at sunrise, or sunset, no problem right?

(12-08-2023 06:17 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 05:26 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 02:51 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 11:56 AM)Bull Wrote:  Seeing a lot of debate online about this N/S, versus E/W distinction. Is it really that big of a problem to go E/W? (They are saying receivers and QB will be looking into the sun, and problems like that...) Could we literally not fit it N/S?

There's plenty of land available so I don't there's an orientation constraint due to lack of space.

Maybe because the stadium site is due north of the indoor facility and thus will be due north of the new football facility.

If the stadium is due north, then maybe the endzone areas need to be rotated to EW due to logistics. Might allow easier access for equipment trucks, trucks for other events such a concerts, etc.

As I look at the site on maps, it looks to be more of a squeeze to go EW than NS.

But I do think it's probably due to the location of where the football facility will be. I assume the football facility will be connected to the indoor facility on the south and the stadium on the north.

So I'm assuming it's a matter of logistical rather than space constraint.

The E/W designation was chosen due to considerations about Sun exposure. In the Q/A prior to design one of the biggest complaints was full Sun exposure for noon and afternoon games at RJS. The E/W designation was decided after doing Sun exposure studies.

Was the Q&A drawing from games at Raymond James which is oriented due NS? Or did it draw from stadium experiences across the country?

The vast majority of P5 stadiums have a NW to SE orientation. Very few

Due EW Orientations in P5 (link)
$EC - zero
PAC-12 - 2
Big 12 - 1
B1G - 1
ACC - 1*

* 1 additional stadium has a slight E (NE) W (SW) orientation.


American Orientations
USF - due NS
Charlotte - NW-SE
ECU - slightly off EW (nWsE)
Temple - slightly off NS (NwSe)
UAB - NW-SE
Tulane - NE-SW
Memphis - NW-SE
Navy - NW-SE
Rice - almost due NS
North Texas - almost due NS
UTSA - NS (dome)
SMU - almost due NS
Army - almost due NS

The Q/A was based on current RJS experience but I know that they ran computer models for current site based on both n/s and e/w orientation. In fact it was reported that some of the earlier renderings that were leaked out #showing roofs were actually from the Sun orientation models

(12-08-2023 09:21 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 06:17 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 05:26 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 02:51 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 11:56 AM)Bull Wrote:  Seeing a lot of debate online about this N/S, versus E/W distinction. Is it really that big of a problem to go E/W? (They are saying receivers and QB will be looking into the sun, and problems like that...) Could we literally not fit it N/S?

There's plenty of land available so I don't there's an orientation constraint due to lack of space.

Maybe because the stadium site is due north of the indoor facility and thus will be due north of the new football facility.

If the stadium is due north, then maybe the endzone areas need to be rotated to EW due to logistics. Might allow easier access for equipment trucks, trucks for other events such a concerts, etc.

As I look at the site on maps, it looks to be more of a squeeze to go EW than NS.

But I do think it's probably due to the location of where the football facility will be. I assume the football facility will be connected to the indoor facility on the south and the stadium on the north.

So I'm assuming it's a matter of logistical rather than space constraint.

The E/W designation was chosen due to considerations about Sun exposure. In the Q/A prior to design one of the biggest complaints was full Sun exposure for noon and afternoon games at RJS. The E/W designation was decided after doing Sun exposure studies.

Was the Q&A drawing from games at Raymond James which is oriented due NS? Or did it draw from stadium experiences across the country?

The vast majority of P5 stadiums have a NW to SE orientation. Very few

Due EW Orientations in P5 (link)
$EC - zero
PAC-12 - 2
Big 12 - 1
B1G - 1
ACC - 1*

* 1 additional stadium has a slight E (NE) W (SW) orientation.


American Orientations
USF - due NS
Charlotte - NW-SE
ECU - slightly off EW (nWsE)
Temple - slightly off NS (NwSe)
UAB - NW-SE
Tulane - NE-SW
Memphis - NW-SE
Navy - NW-SE
Rice - almost due NS
North Texas - almost due NS
UTSA - NS (dome)
SMU - almost due NS
Army - almost due NS

The Q/A was based on current RJS experience but I know that they ran computer models for current site based on both n/s and e/w orientation. In fact it was reported that some of the earlier renderings that were leaked out #showing roofs were actually from the Sun orientation models

that makes sense.

I bet day games were absolutely brutal come noon to 2:00.


I look forward to visiting the new stadium. I'll have to plan a trip to my son's in Brandon.

(12-08-2023 10:12 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 09:21 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 06:17 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 05:26 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 02:51 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  There's plenty of land available so I don't there's an orientation constraint due to lack of space.

Maybe because the stadium site is due north of the indoor facility and thus will be due north of the new football facility.

If the stadium is due north, then maybe the endzone areas need to be rotated to EW due to logistics. Might allow easier access for equipment trucks, trucks for other events such a concerts, etc.

As I look at the site on maps, it looks to be more of a squeeze to go EW than NS.

But I do think it's probably due to the location of where the football facility will be. I assume the football facility will be connected to the indoor facility on the south and the stadium on the north.

So I'm assuming it's a matter of logistical rather than space constraint.

The E/W designation was chosen due to considerations about Sun exposure. In the Q/A prior to design one of the biggest complaints was full Sun exposure for noon and afternoon games at RJS. The E/W designation was decided after doing Sun exposure studies.

Was the Q&A drawing from games at Raymond James which is oriented due NS? Or did it draw from stadium experiences across the country?

The vast majority of P5 stadiums have a NW to SE orientation. Very few

Due EW Orientations in P5 (link)
$EC - zero
PAC-12 - 2
Big 12 - 1
B1G - 1
ACC - 1*

* 1 additional stadium has a slight E (NE) W (SW) orientation.


American Orientations
USF - due NS
Charlotte - NW-SE
ECU - slightly off EW (nWsE)
Temple - slightly off NS (NwSe)
UAB - NW-SE
Tulane - NE-SW
Memphis - NW-SE
Navy - NW-SE
Rice - almost due NS
North Texas - almost due NS
UTSA - NS (dome)
SMU - almost due NS
Army - almost due NS

The Q/A was based on current RJS experience but I know that they ran computer models for current site based on both n/s and e/w orientation. In fact it was reported that some of the earlier renderings that were leaked out #showing roofs were actually from the Sun orientation models

that makes sense.

I bet day games were absolutely brutal come noon to 2:00.


I look forward to visiting the new stadium. I'll have to plan a trip to my son's in Brandon.

Yes noon games are horrible, you basically bake in an oven. That’s why no one sits on the visitor side which is the worst you are in full Sun until sunsets. That’s the side the cameras face,so it always looks deserted lol. If you see people sitting there is a good sign that the home side is pretty full.