Need I remind you about 2020 and the canceled NCAA men's and women's tournaments?

You could have said the same thing to Dayton about there's always next year. Who knows how far Dayton could have gone in the NCAA Tournament and how much will that have changed the university? Since then Dayton hasn't even made the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. At least San Diego State, the other top 2020 team, got their dream run last year. Meanwhile for Hofstra, that was the year they finally won the CAA and would've made their first NCAA Tournament since Jay Wright was there! They didn't get another chance.

How about Sabrina Ionescu? Oregon was having that miracle season? Sabrina could have won a national championship and been Angel Reese or Aliyah Boston or even if she didn't win Paige Bueckers or Caitlin Clark and Oregon women's basketball could have been on the map. I'm glad Sabrina found success in the WNBA but Oregon didn't even make the NCAA Tournament last year.

What if this is Florida State's only chance to go 13-0? What if Dabo gets Clemson back and they go back to being Clemson and FSU never wins the ACC again? Without an SEC team in the Playoff, it's anyone's championship to win and Michigan couldn't beat the College of Saint Rose in a Playoff game. This could have been FSU's only chance at a Playoff/National Championship. SEC? Like they won't be in a 12 team Playoff next year! Even if it were 4 teams, what are the chances they would have been shut out again? Even a two year drought by Alabama in the CFP is noteworthy.

So the 12 team playoff next year is of no consolation to Florida State, even to Mike Norvell, who I assume will be there next year coaching. I will say next season if a Big Ten team doesn't win the national championship I hope FSU does and I hope they beat multiple SEC teams in the Playoff.

They will get into a P2 and get over it. No hard feelings. Just business. Nobody wanted to waste a Saturday afternoon to start the New Year watching that offense.

PS: I thought they'd do the right thing and put them in, but how can you complain as a non-Nole fan?

FSU had a pretty darn good men's basketball team that 2020 season as well.

(12-04-2023 09:04 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  FSU had a pretty darn good men's basketball team that 2020 season as well.

But who was the odds-on favorite to win the MBB NC? Then they cancelled everything during the conferences' tournaments.

The real question is why don’t we have the 12 team playoff this year??? Look no further then the ACC and the PAC. Their “Alliance” is what stopped the 12 team playoff from beginning this season. They blocked the expansion from happening. Also, the selection committee is made up of quite a bit of ACC people. FSU was threatening to leave the ACC this past summer. Had the PAC and ACC been on board with the playoff expansion this year, the PAC would probably have 2 teams in and FSU would be in.

End result, the ACC and FSU have only themselves to blame for the problem we have now. I feel bad for their players, it’s a terrible situation, but blame the old guys in a room for screwing this up, not Alabama or Texas for getting in above them.

(12-04-2023 09:10 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The real question is why don’t we have the 12 team playoff this year??? Look no further then the ACC and the PAC. Their “Alliance” is what stopped the 12 team playoff from beginning this season. They blocked the expansion from happening. Also, the selection committee is made up of quite a bit of ACC people. FSU was threatening to leave the ACC this past summer. Had the PAC and ACC been on board with the playoff expansion this year, the PAC would probably have 2 teams in and FSU would be in.

End result, the ACC and FSU have only themselves to blame for the problem we have now. I feel bad for their players, it’s a terrible situation, but blame the old guys in a room for screwing this up, not Alabama or Texas for getting in above them.

Another end result is NC State will end up being on of the true power brokers remaining in the watered down ACC. They have completely screwed the blue bloods over in the past year. Perhaps, they were playing 4D chess all along.

(12-04-2023 09:04 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  FSU had a pretty darn good men's basketball team that 2020 season as well.

Well, they lost to UMass this year.

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Seems like most P5 teams were just fine with a 4-team playoff until they were the ones that got screwed. They could have had a larger playoff way before next year.

The 2014 FSU team were also undefeated (initially). That team was ranked BEHIND two 1-loss teams. Turned out to be justified as they promptly loss to Oregon in the Rose semi (in a contest that wasn't even close).

The 2023 FSU team will also be justified in their placement if they can't beat Georgia.

Tough on the Noles, but, for the sake of competitiveness, the committee did the right thing.

(12-04-2023 09:10 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The real question is why don’t we have the 12 team playoff this year??? Look no further then the ACC and the PAC. Their “Alliance” is what stopped the 12 team playoff from beginning this season. They blocked the expansion from happening. Also, the selection committee is made up of quite a bit of ACC people. FSU was threatening to leave the ACC this past summer. Had the PAC and ACC been on board with the playoff expansion this year, the PAC would probably have 2 teams in and FSU would be in.

End result, the ACC and FSU have only themselves to blame for the problem we have now. I feel bad for their players, it’s a terrible situation, but blame the old guys in a room for screwing this up, not Alabama or Texas for getting in above them.

That's a good point.

Wasn't the Big Ten in the PR stunt "Alliance" as well, along with their good buddies and partners Pac 12 (until the Big Ten shivved it) and the ACC?

Why leave the Big Ten out of the "blame" for no 12 team playoff this year?

(12-04-2023 09:55 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Seems like most P5 teams were just fine with a 4-team playoff until they were the ones that got screwed. They could have had a larger playoff way before next year.

And yet somehow the SEC NEVER gets screwed even when their credentials are the worst. Every other conference has been left out at least twice.

Big 10: 2017, 2018
ACC: 2021, 2022, 2023
Big 12: 2014, 2016, 2020, 2021
Pac 12: 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022

The Big 12 had Baylor/TCU left out with 1 loss because no conference champ had two losses and someone had to be left out.
The Big 10 had Ohio State left out with 1 loss because no conference champ had two losses and someone had to be left out.
Every year the Pac 12 champ was left out they had 2 or more losses.
No conference champ before this year was ever left out with 0 losses before.

Also, the SEC has had two teams in 2017 and 2021 (Big Ten 2022, ACC 2020 when Notre Dame was a full member). As for the teams...

2022: 2nd team was 1 loss Ohio State that lost to undefeated conference champion Michigan
2021: 2nd team was 1 loss Georgia that lost to one loss conference champion Alabama
2020: 2nd team was 1 loss Notre Dame that lost to one loss conference champion Clemson (and Notre Dame was the team Clemson lost to).
2017: 2nd team was 1 loss Alabama. They lost to three loss Auburn!

Which team doesn't belong here?

Pac 12 the worst champion? They're out.
Big 12 the worst champion? They're out.
Big 10 the worst champion? They're out.
ACC the worst champion? They're out.
SEC the worst champion? Kick someone else out.

(12-04-2023 10:13 AM)wleakr Wrote:  The 2014 FSU team were also undefeated (initially). That team was ranked BEHIND two 1-loss teams. Turned out to be justified as they promptly loss to Oregon in the Rose semi (in a contest that wasn't even close).

The 2023 FSU team will also be justified in their placement if they can't beat Georgia.

Tough on the Noles, but, for the sake of competitiveness, the committee did the right thing.

The game was close. Winston had a Winston esque TO before he was ubiquitously known as a TO machine while driving the length of the field. Game got away late.

I agree with Fluguar's shows yesterday that Bama didn't really do enough this year in too many games. UT, USF, Ark, Auburn. All bad games. Taking FSU was the right decision for the right reasons, but the UM game would have been a dud and that was the overriding factor. When FSU didn't come up at #3, I knew something was wrong. UT didn't deserve to move up 4 spots for beating up on Okie St. Fans want someone to take out UM in the playoffs so everyone collectively hired Saban and Co. as a mercenary.

The process of the CFP committee was completely flawed and illogical top to bottom. We can argue Liberty SMU at the fringes, but FSU should have been #6 with their logic. And they decided to make things much worse by moving them only one back. The problems started to arise when FSU was #4 last week. They should have been behind Oregon, so the committee just set itself up to fail. Everyone on that committee should be gone next year. Shameful.

(12-04-2023 10:25 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 09:10 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The real question is why don’t we have the 12 team playoff this year??? Look no further then the ACC and the PAC. Their “Alliance” is what stopped the 12 team playoff from beginning this season. They blocked the expansion from happening. Also, the selection committee is made up of quite a bit of ACC people. FSU was threatening to leave the ACC this past summer. Had the PAC and ACC been on board with the playoff expansion this year, the PAC would probably have 2 teams in and FSU would be in.

End result, the ACC and FSU have only themselves to blame for the problem we have now. I feel bad for their players, it’s a terrible situation, but blame the old guys in a room for screwing this up, not Alabama or Texas for getting in above them.

That's a good point.

That's a take I haven't hard yet!

The ACC, Pac-12 and B1G alliance blocked the plan because they didn't want four SEC teams in the playoff. That came to bite them in the butt, and probably accelerated realignment, with the B1G wanting to counter the SEC and USC wanting to be in a multi-entry conference rather than a single entry.

Had the alliance not done that you'd have 8 definite schools:

SEC: Alabama, Georgia, Missouri
B1G: Michigan, Ohio State
Pac-12: Washington, Oregon
Big 12: Texas
ACC: Florida State

The debate would have been around which of Penn State, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, LSU or Arizona should be the 10th and 11th schools, and whether Liberty or SMU should get the G5 access 12th spot.

Florida State or Alabama would get a 1st round hosting a G5 school in a game that would have meaning, and then the two would face each other in the quarter final bowl game. (Today the access bowl is a bogey prize --I call it the monkey claw-- for the P5 school who draws that because they feel cheated and unmotivated, play like crap, while it is the biggest Christmas present ever for the G5 school; always bet on the G5 school to cover if not win, because their players and fans care.)

But the ACC tabled the proposal, thinking they had a spot nearly guaranteed. Karma.

(12-04-2023 12:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The ACC, Pac-12 and B1G alliance blocked the plan because they didn't want four SEC teams in the playoff. That came to bite them in the butt, and probably accelerated realignment, with the B1G wanting to counter the SEC and USC wanting to be in a multi-entry conference rather than a single entry.
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Karma.

No karma. Just scripted outcomes.

Four teams, twelve teams... The SEC gets more teams in either way because that's the script.

Telling anyone else that any decision they made is why this happens... that's just gaslighting.

(12-04-2023 03:09 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 12:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The ACC, Pac-12 and B1G alliance blocked the plan because they didn't want four SEC teams in the playoff. That came to bite them in the butt, and probably accelerated realignment, with the B1G wanting to counter the SEC and USC wanting to be in a multi-entry conference rather than a single entry.
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Karma.

No karma. Just scripted outcomes.

Four teams, twelve teams... The SEC gets more teams in either way because that's the script.

Telling anyone else that any decision they made is why this happens... that's just gaslighting.

you dominate college football like SEC has done and guess what- that's going to happen. ACC helped screw themselves. They were all pious and all and it bit them in the ass. They got what they deserved.

(12-04-2023 09:10 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The real question is why don’t we have the 12 team playoff this year??? Look no further then the ACC and the PAC. Their “Alliance” is what stopped the 12 team playoff from beginning this season. They blocked the expansion from happening. Also, the selection committee is made up of quite a bit of ACC people. FSU was threatening to leave the ACC this past summer. Had the PAC and ACC been on board with the playoff expansion this year, the PAC would probably have 2 teams in and FSU would be in.

End result, the ACC and FSU have only themselves to blame for the problem we have now. I feel bad for their players, it’s a terrible situation, but blame the old guys in a room for screwing this up, not Alabama or Texas for getting in above them.

No, the committee is still to blame.

Three undefeated conference champions. Four playoff spots. It's not difficult to find room for all three.

You just need decision makers whose thought process hasn't gone flaccid.

(12-04-2023 03:19 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 09:10 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The real question is why don’t we have the 12 team playoff this year??? Look no further then the ACC and the PAC. Their “Alliance” is what stopped the 12 team playoff from beginning this season. They blocked the expansion from happening. Also, the selection committee is made up of quite a bit of ACC people. FSU was threatening to leave the ACC this past summer. Had the PAC and ACC been on board with the playoff expansion this year, the PAC would probably have 2 teams in and FSU would be in.

End result, the ACC and FSU have only themselves to blame for the problem we have now. I feel bad for their players, it’s a terrible situation, but blame the old guys in a room for screwing this up, not Alabama or Texas for getting in above them.

No, the committee is still to blame.

Three undefeated conference champions. Four playoff spots. It's not difficult to find room for all three.

You just need decision makers whose thought process hasn't gone flaccid.

The selection criteria isn't fewest losses. It's not most deserving. It's best. And it takes injuries into account. The committee did what it was charged to do.

(12-04-2023 03:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ....
The committee did what it was charged to do.

... if it was charged with soiling its pants in public.