I calculated how many participants each conference would have since the beginning of the BCS era on a 6/6 model, which would be relevant as long as the Pac was around. Of course the different lineups and schedules would have an impact, but this sheds light on the 6/6 vs. 5/7 issue.

Based on 2024 lineups:
SEC 103 3.96 per year
B10 88 3.38
ACC 49 1.88
B12 46 1.77
ND 9 0.35
MWC 9 0.35
2Pac 2 0.08
AAC 2 0.08
MAC 2 0.08
CUSA 1 0.04
SB 1 0.04

The current G5 have 15 in 26 years and with the 2 Pac 17 in 26 years. Based on a 5/7, they would have 26. So a 5/7 would result in more 2024 G5 schools getting in than the 6/6 did, because many of the best have migrated to the P4.

So a 5/7 is very fair to them.

Note that the SEC has averaged 3 extra bids, Big 10 2.4 while ND/Big 12/ACC combine for 2.0.

(12-03-2023 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  I calculated how many participants each conference would have since the beginning of the BCS era on a 6/6 model, which would be relevant as long as the Pac was around. Of course the different lineups and schedules would have an impact, but this sheds light on the 6/6 vs. 5/7 issue.

Based on 2024 lineups:
SEC 103 3.96 per year
B10 88 3.38
ACC 49 1.88
B12 46 1.77
ND 9 0.35
MWC 9 0.35
2Pac 2 0.08
AAC 2 0.08
MAC 2 0.08
CUSA 1 0.04
SB 1 0.04

The current G5 have 15 in 26 years and with the 2 Pac 17 in 26 years. Based on a 5/7, they would have 26. So a 5/7 would result in more 2024 G5 schools getting in than the 6/6 did, because many of the best have migrated to the P4.

So a 5/7 is very fair to them.

Note that the SEC has averaged 3 extra bids, Big 10 2.4 while ND/Big 12/ACC combine for 2.0.

Why is it that Army and Navy, both at 5-6, are eliminated from bowl contention before they play their game, but Minnesota is allowed in at 5-7?

(12-03-2023 09:16 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  I calculated how many participants each conference would have since the beginning of the BCS era on a 6/6 model, which would be relevant as long as the Pac was around. Of course the different lineups and schedules would have an impact, but this sheds light on the 6/6 vs. 5/7 issue.

Based on 2024 lineups:
SEC 103 3.96 per year
B10 88 3.38
ACC 49 1.88
B12 46 1.77
ND 9 0.35
MWC 9 0.35
2Pac 2 0.08
AAC 2 0.08
MAC 2 0.08
CUSA 1 0.04
SB 1 0.04

The current G5 have 15 in 26 years and with the 2 Pac 17 in 26 years. Based on a 5/7, they would have 26. So a 5/7 would result in more 2024 G5 schools getting in than the 6/6 did, because many of the best have migrated to the P4.

So a 5/7 is very fair to them.

Note that the SEC has averaged 3 extra bids, Big 10 2.4 while ND/Big 12/ACC combine for 2.0.

Why is it that Army and Navy, both at 5-6, are eliminated from bowl contention before they play their game, but Minnesota is allowed in at 5-7?

Different 5/7 and 6/6.

(12-03-2023 09:20 PM)Crayton Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 09:16 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  I calculated how many participants each conference would have since the beginning of the BCS era on a 6/6 model, which would be relevant as long as the Pac was around. Of course the different lineups and schedules would have an impact, but this sheds light on the 6/6 vs. 5/7 issue.

Based on 2024 lineups:
SEC 103 3.96 per year
B10 88 3.38
ACC 49 1.88
B12 46 1.77
ND 9 0.35
MWC 9 0.35
2Pac 2 0.08
AAC 2 0.08
MAC 2 0.08
CUSA 1 0.04
SB 1 0.04

The current G5 have 15 in 26 years and with the 2 Pac 17 in 26 years. Based on a 5/7, they would have 26. So a 5/7 would result in more 2024 G5 schools getting in than the 6/6 did, because many of the best have migrated to the P4.

So a 5/7 is very fair to them.

Note that the SEC has averaged 3 extra bids, Big 10 2.4 while ND/Big 12/ACC combine for 2.0.

Why is it that Army and Navy, both at 5-6, are eliminated from bowl contention before they play their game, but Minnesota is allowed in at 5-7?

Different 5/7 and 6/6.

Probably multiple games against FCS opponents.

(12-03-2023 09:16 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  I calculated how many participants each conference would have since the beginning of the BCS era on a 6/6 model, which would be relevant as long as the Pac was around. Of course the different lineups and schedules would have an impact, but this sheds light on the 6/6 vs. 5/7 issue.

Based on 2024 lineups:
SEC 103 3.96 per year
B10 88 3.38
ACC 49 1.88
B12 46 1.77
ND 9 0.35
MWC 9 0.35
2Pac 2 0.08
AAC 2 0.08
MAC 2 0.08
CUSA 1 0.04
SB 1 0.04

The current G5 have 15 in 26 years and with the 2 Pac 17 in 26 years. Based on a 5/7, they would have 26. So a 5/7 would result in more 2024 G5 schools getting in than the 6/6 did, because many of the best have migrated to the P4.

So a 5/7 is very fair to them.

Note that the SEC has averaged 3 extra bids, Big 10 2.4 while ND/Big 12/ACC combine for 2.0.

Why is it that Army and Navy, both at 5-6, are eliminated from bowl contention before they play their game, but Minnesota is allowed in at 5-7?

Referring to the 12 team playoff, not bowl eligibility.

(12-04-2023 12:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 09:16 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  I calculated how many participants each conference would have since the beginning of the BCS era on a 6/6 model, which would be relevant as long as the Pac was around. Of course the different lineups and schedules would have an impact, but this sheds light on the 6/6 vs. 5/7 issue.

Based on 2024 lineups:
SEC 103 3.96 per year
B10 88 3.38
ACC 49 1.88
B12 46 1.77
ND 9 0.35
MWC 9 0.35
2Pac 2 0.08
AAC 2 0.08
MAC 2 0.08
CUSA 1 0.04
SB 1 0.04

The current G5 have 15 in 26 years and with the 2 Pac 17 in 26 years. Based on a 5/7, they would have 26. So a 5/7 would result in more 2024 G5 schools getting in than the 6/6 did, because many of the best have migrated to the P4.

So a 5/7 is very fair to them.

Note that the SEC has averaged 3 extra bids, Big 10 2.4 while ND/Big 12/ACC combine for 2.0.

Why is it that Army and Navy, both at 5-6, are eliminated from bowl contention before they play their game, but Minnesota is allowed in at 5-7?

Referring to the 12 team playoff, not bowl eligibility.

I can't explain why but this is very interesting to me that your original post could be mis-interpreted as being about bowl elligibility and the difference between 5-7 and 6-6 records. Not picking on anybody. I thought it was obvious you were talking about the 12-team playoffs and inviting 5 conference champions vs 6 conference champions. But then if you actually re-read the original post, none of that is actually explained, so yes it is vague enough it could be legitimately be mis-interpreted.

I don't know why I find this all so fascinating. The irony is if you dig into the numbers provided, the original author actually did a very detailed analysis that probably took a lot of time to compile.

It reminds me of those old episodes of 3's company, or any old TV sitcom from the 1970's, where the language is so intentionally vague, it leads to a big mis-understanding and halarity ensues.

Both Army and Navy are out of bowl consideration even though the winner will be 6-6. Their game is scheduled a week after the CCGs and bowl bids are sent out so they had to have won six games prior to this. Army played two FCS games so they would to have won seven by now to qualify for a bowl.

It sucks for the players but the Army-Navy game is the biggest game on their schedule and bowls aren’t the reason you go there anyway. Then there’s the big check each school gets from playing in an exclusive time slot.

(12-04-2023 05:48 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 12:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 09:16 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  I calculated how many participants each conference would have since the beginning of the BCS era on a 6/6 model, which would be relevant as long as the Pac was around. Of course the different lineups and schedules would have an impact, but this sheds light on the 6/6 vs. 5/7 issue.

Based on 2024 lineups:
SEC 103 3.96 per year
B10 88 3.38
ACC 49 1.88
B12 46 1.77
ND 9 0.35
MWC 9 0.35
2Pac 2 0.08
AAC 2 0.08
MAC 2 0.08
CUSA 1 0.04
SB 1 0.04

The current G5 have 15 in 26 years and with the 2 Pac 17 in 26 years. Based on a 5/7, they would have 26. So a 5/7 would result in more 2024 G5 schools getting in than the 6/6 did, because many of the best have migrated to the P4.

So a 5/7 is very fair to them.

Note that the SEC has averaged 3 extra bids, Big 10 2.4 while ND/Big 12/ACC combine for 2.0.

Why is it that Army and Navy, both at 5-6, are eliminated from bowl contention before they play their game, but Minnesota is allowed in at 5-7?

Referring to the 12 team playoff, not bowl eligibility.

I can't explain why but this is very interesting to me that your original post could be mis-interpreted as being about bowl elligibility and the difference between 5-7 and 6-6 records. Not picking on anybody. I thought it was obvious you were talking about the 12-team playoffs and inviting 5 conference champions vs 6 conference champions. But then if you actually re-read the original post, none of that is actually explained, so yes it is vague enough it could be legitimately be mis-interpreted.

I don't know why I find this all so fascinating. The irony is if you dig into the numbers provided, the original author actually did a very detailed analysis that probably took a lot of time to compile.

It reminds me of those old episodes of 3's company, or any old TV sitcom from the 1970's, where the language is so intentionally vague, it leads to a big mis-understanding and halarity ensues.

Some time in the 90s I went back to 1991 and figured out how a 16 team playoff would look and added to it year by year. At some point I looked at an 8 team playoff starting with the beginning of the BCS era in 1998. Since I already had that data, figuring out what a 6/6 playoff would look like was a manageable amount of work.