(12-03-2023 08:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:35 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I think going forward AAC schools need to rethink their OOC. Does it make sense to play Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas if losing to them will hurt your chances at making CFP. Is it better to only play mid level to lower P schools that you can beat and get credit for it?

I disagree. If you want to compete with them you got to beat them. Missouri is #9. They're playing #7 Ohio State in a major bowl game. We played Mizzou tight the whole game in their crib basically. Lost 34-27. People remember that even in a loss.

AAC shouldn't back down from anyone. Do you want to be CUSA? Did that, done that, no way.

I think the bolded just makes it even more BS that SMU didn’t get the nod. Memphis was a damn good team. If they won the Mizzou game they would’ve been ranked for at least a portion of this season. SMU beat them in Memphis. And Tulane in New Orleans.

The committee shafted an undefeated FSU team because the Mouse was mad at them for daring to look for a way to obtain their true market value. Then they turn around and put in an undefeated Liberty team that played literally the worst schedule in college football because they’re undefeated. Lol. They’re not even trying to hide it, and even the casuals are picking up on the bias we all have commented about on this board for years.

I remember someone on this board saying the committee and ESPN should be brought up on RICO charges a few seasons back… Maybe it’s something FSU’s legal team can look into

(12-03-2023 10:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 10:08 PM)seurat92 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 09:25 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  We do what the Mouse says we gots to do.

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Ya know whqt? You and U of Memphis might be right.
ESPN/Disney didn't want them. Doesn't mean Aresco shouldn't have fought for what was good for the conf.
Look, these schools, (Boise, SDSU, etc), go to YOU and ask to join the AAC. It's a win-win situation for all players. Ya go get them, right? These 2 icons of the MWC want to leave and join the AAC.. Aresco didn't want them. Then he didn't go after Liberty or JMU among some other better programs then the ones gotten. If he just let, "The Mouse". do the dictating then....the AAC reaps what it sows. Charlotte, NT, Rice and the rest. Instead of Liberty and JMU. The hottest 2 new programs in the biz.

Could've had them but either didn't want them or....as a bunch have said....Disney slapped his hand.
Either way..........the outcome sucks for the AAC.

Aresco didn't want Boise and SDSU? Aw man, you cannot be that ignorant, right?

You come in here and say that crap to people who lived through the entire thing, and read every word on it?

That's so ill-informed, I'm not going to bother to refute it.

You just lost any credibility you had in here, forever.

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Whoa there!
I know no different then what I posted.
Those schools reached out to the AAC. Would be ILL EGAL any other way.
That's from the OK's to TX's to UCLA's to....all of them. Only the school can ask conf's for an invite. Is a major infraction to do it the opposite..
What I posted is what happened. I can't even see what the other side is.
I can't figure out what you are saying.
They were there to be had. Wanted to be had.....but Aresco said no. Where's the f'n debate?

(12-03-2023 08:35 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Statement from Aresco….

“I’m glad they didn’t make it. Serves them right for leaving the conference. Frickers.”

THAT statement would have been epic.

(12-03-2023 08:44 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:28 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:56 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  Aresco should be pointing the blame at himself. He could have taken Liberty in the AAC but opted for Rice, Charlotte, and North Texas. Nothing against those schools but AAC would not be in this position if he had done so. And now CUSA is benefiting.

I'd rather be in a conference with actual universities like Rice, Charlotte and North Texas.

I would rather be in an athletic conference populated by schools excelling in athletics.

clt is still waiting for you to list the memphis championships this season

(12-03-2023 08:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:56 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

Aresco should be pointing the blame at himself. He could have taken Liberty in the AAC but opted for Rice, Charlotte, and North Texas. Nothing against those schools but AAC would not be in this position if he had done so. And now CUSA is benefiting.

Aresco doesn't really do the picking. No conference with an ESPN contract does. ESPN does the picking, for all intents and purposes. You should be indignant toward them.

If you look at all, you'll see that most of the schools selected were big city markets with potential to grow audiences. Sorry, but Lynchburg VA doesn't fit that profile.

Lynchburg is 71st out of 210 markets. Above average. Better than ECU's market. It's not big market, but it's not a terrible one.

(12-03-2023 07:56 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

Aresco should be pointing the blame at himself. He could have taken Liberty in the AAC but opted for Rice, Charlotte, and North Texas. Nothing against those schools but AAC would not be in this position if he had done so. And now CUSA is benefiting.

Sure, and Liberty would have beaten all the AAC teams in Conference play...

You can't say **** about Liberty being in this situation if they were in the AAC. They wouldn't be playing a CUSA schedule to stay undefeated.

(12-03-2023 08:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:35 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I think going forward AAC schools need to rethink their OOC. Does it make sense to play Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas if losing to them will hurt your chances at making CFP. Is it better to only play mid level to lower P schools that you can beat and get credit for it?

I disagree. If you want to compete with them you got to beat them. Missouri is #9. They're playing #7 Ohio State in a major bowl game. We played Mizzou tight the whole game in their crib basically. Lost 34-27. People remember that even in a loss.

AAC shouldn't back down from anyone. Do you want to be CUSA? Did that, done that, no way.

Middle Tennessee State was one bad call from possibly beating Missouri. And they are in CUSA.

(12-03-2023 11:36 PM)Red_Adept Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:56 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

Aresco should be pointing the blame at himself. He could have taken Liberty in the AAC but opted for Rice, Charlotte, and North Texas. Nothing against those schools but AAC would not be in this position if he had done so. And now CUSA is benefiting.

Sure, and Liberty would have beaten all the AAC teams in Conference play...

You can't say **** about Liberty being in this situation if they were in the AAC. They wouldn't be playing a CUSA schedule to stay undefeated.

How would Liberty ever handle....

#86 Rice
#103 South Florida
#105 Navy
#106 North Texas
#109 FAU
#115 UAB
#118 Tulsa
#120 East Carolina
#127 Charlotte
#130 Temple

(12-03-2023 11:21 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:44 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:28 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:56 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  Aresco should be pointing the blame at himself. He could have taken Liberty in the AAC but opted for Rice, Charlotte, and North Texas. Nothing against those schools but AAC would not be in this position if he had done so. And now CUSA is benefiting.

I'd rather be in a conference with actual universities like Rice, Charlotte and North Texas.

I would rather be in an athletic conference populated by schools excelling in athletics.

clt is still waiting for you to list the memphis championships this season

We owe you Memphis championships Connoisseur? Do you need a chair? Can I make you a sandwich? Backrub perhaps?

Your bad program did nothing worthy to move you up to a better conference. The mouse gifted you for having semi tall buildings (not Chicago tall of course) owned by banks and a bunch of bad BBQ chefs.

Try adding something to a conversation once in a while. Your schtick has grown ever so tiresome.

(12-03-2023 11:38 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:35 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I think going forward AAC schools need to rethink their OOC. Does it make sense to play Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas if losing to them will hurt your chances at making CFP. Is it better to only play mid level to lower P schools that you can beat and get credit for it?

I disagree. If you want to compete with them you got to beat them. Missouri is #9. They're playing #7 Ohio State in a major bowl game. We played Mizzou tight the whole game in their crib basically. Lost 34-27. People remember that even in a loss.

AAC shouldn't back down from anyone. Do you want to be CUSA? Did that, done that, no way.

Middle Tennessee State was one bad call from possibly beating Missouri. And they are in CUSA.

Conference USA sucks. Get outta here. I'm sure Mizzou was fired up to play Middle Tennessee.

They refused to play us at home on the return game from last year, so we had to play them in a bull**** neutral site in St.Louis Missouri. The place had Missouri all over the stadium. It was a road game. Two years in a row.

They notified us in April after the schedules were all set. They saw all the other P5 teams we beat in Memphis and got scared.

Apples to oranges.

(12-03-2023 11:40 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  How would Liberty ever handle....

#86 Rice
#103 South Florida
#105 Navy
#106 North Texas
#109 FAU
#115 UAB
#118 Tulsa
#120 East Carolina
#127 Charlotte
#130 Temple

The Worst Scandal in Higher Ed belongs to Liberty University

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/10...University

I am not impressed overall with your university. Something tells me you will be on probation at some point soon.

(12-03-2023 07:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Sagarin says Liberty's strength of schedule was very bad, #133, but SMU was #118, really bad too. Not enough different to overcome two losses.

The killer for SMU was losing by 17 to a bad 5-7 TCU team.

I've seen several SOS rankings and most have SMU in the 60-70 range. Sagarin and Warren Nolan's ELO SOS both rank SMU at #118, but their methods are real oddballs.

Frankly I'm not sure how there could be so much variance from one source to another. It seems like SOS should be a straight up formula, like RPI. At the very least there shouldn't be a difference of 50+ rating points.

Nevertheless, I'm not an apologist for SMU. My money was on Liberty to get the nod. I never expected the unranked, 2 loss Ponies to leapfrog a ranked, undefeated team. Now I would have immensely enjoyed seeing them leapfrog a ranked, undefeated team, along with the attendant meltdown.

(12-03-2023 11:11 PM)seurat92 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 10:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 10:08 PM)seurat92 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 09:25 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  We do what the Mouse says we gots to do.

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Ya know whqt? You and U of Memphis might be right.
ESPN/Disney didn't want them. Doesn't mean Aresco shouldn't have fought for what was good for the conf.
Look, these schools, (Boise, SDSU, etc), go to YOU and ask to join the AAC. It's a win-win situation for all players. Ya go get them, right? These 2 icons of the MWC want to leave and join the AAC.. Aresco didn't want them. Then he didn't go after Liberty or JMU among some other better programs then the ones gotten. If he just let, "The Mouse". do the dictating then....the AAC reaps what it sows. Charlotte, NT, Rice and the rest. Instead of Liberty and JMU. The hottest 2 new programs in the biz.

Could've had them but either didn't want them or....as a bunch have said....Disney slapped his hand.
Either way..........the outcome sucks for the AAC.

Aresco didn't want Boise and SDSU? Aw man, you cannot be that ignorant, right?

You come in here and say that crap to people who lived through the entire thing, and read every word on it?

That's so ill-informed, I'm not going to bother to refute it.

You just lost any credibility you had in here, forever.

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Whoa there!
I know no different then what I posted.
Those schools reached out to the AAC. Would be ILL EGAL any other way.
That's from the OK's to TX's to UCLA's to....all of them. Only the school can ask conf's for an invite. Is a major infraction to do it the opposite..
What I posted is what happened. I can't even see what the other side is.
I can't figure out what you are saying.
They were there to be had. Wanted to be had.....but Aresco said no. Where's the f'n debate?

The debate isn't going to be had by me, b/c it's too damn long to explain to someone who knows nothing about it.

VERY short version is the deal was basically done, but then Boise starting making ridiculous demands for special favors (as they eventually got from the MWC), and the AAC wouldn't cave in, so Boise took its marbles and went home.

SDSU still wanted in, but one team wouldn't work. It sure as hell wasn't b/c Aresco didn't want them. Boise screwed up the deal on its own.

If you want more info, look it up, but what you're saying right now is insanely incorrect. Bye, Felicia.

(12-03-2023 11:35 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:56 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

Aresco should be pointing the blame at himself. He could have taken Liberty in the AAC but opted for Rice, Charlotte, and North Texas. Nothing against those schools but AAC would not be in this position if he had done so. And now CUSA is benefiting.

Aresco doesn't really do the picking. No conference with an ESPN contract does. ESPN does the picking, for all intents and purposes. You should be indignant toward them.

If you look at all, you'll see that most of the schools selected were big city markets with potential to grow audiences. Sorry, but Lynchburg VA doesn't fit that profile.

Lynchburg is 71st out of 210 markets. Above average. Better than ECU's market. It's not big market, but it's not a terrible one.

ECU was already in. The new guys all were bigger, I think. At any rate, ESPN wasn't really salivating over the Lynchburg market, lol.

(12-03-2023 11:40 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 11:36 PM)Red_Adept Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:56 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

Aresco should be pointing the blame at himself. He could have taken Liberty in the AAC but opted for Rice, Charlotte, and North Texas. Nothing against those schools but AAC would not be in this position if he had done so. And now CUSA is benefiting.

Sure, and Liberty would have beaten all the AAC teams in Conference play...

You can't say **** about Liberty being in this situation if they were in the AAC. They wouldn't be playing a CUSA schedule to stay undefeated.

How would Liberty ever handle....

#86 Rice
#103 South Florida
#105 Navy
#106 North Texas
#109 FAU
#115 UAB
#118 Tulsa
#120 East Carolina
#127 Charlotte
#130 Temple

Way to conveniently omit the top 4 AAC teams, lol. So Liberty could be the fifth best! or maybe even the second best. Yeah, that'll get them the NY6 bid!

Liberty. Would have finished 5th in the American this year.

(12-03-2023 07:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:31 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Sagarin says Liberty's strength of schedule was very bad, #133, but SMU was #118, really bad too. Not enough different to overcome two losses.

The killer for SMU was losing by 17 to a bad 5-7 TCU team.

Liberty didn't even play anyone as good as that bad TCU team.

Not playing them isn't as bad as losing by 17 to them, imo.

The Oklahoma loss, like Tulane loss to Ole Miss, can be excused as those are top P5. But losing to TCU says not ready for prime time..

TCU lost to Colorado so they were not ready for "Prime Time" either!

(12-03-2023 08:35 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I think going forward AAC schools need to rethink their OOC. Does it make sense to play Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas if losing to them will hurt your chances at making CFP. Is it better to only play mid level to lower P schools that you can beat and get credit for it?

I hear you and am anxiously waiting how Rice fills its last two OOC slots for 2024. Our toughest OOC opponent might be Fritz’s rebuilding UH program.

(12-03-2023 11:40 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  How would Liberty ever handle....

#86 Rice
#103 South Florida
#105 Navy
#106 North Texas
#109 FAU
#115 UAB
#118 Tulsa
#120 East Carolina
#127 Charlotte
#130 Temple

2 months worth of the last woman sitting at the bar.

(12-03-2023 11:40 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 11:36 PM)Red_Adept Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:56 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

Aresco should be pointing the blame at himself. He could have taken Liberty in the AAC but opted for Rice, Charlotte, and North Texas. Nothing against those schools but AAC would not be in this position if he had done so. And now CUSA is benefiting.

Sure, and Liberty would have beaten all the AAC teams in Conference play...

You can't say **** about Liberty being in this situation if they were in the AAC. They wouldn't be playing a CUSA schedule to stay undefeated.

How would Liberty ever handle....

#86 Rice
#103 South Florida
#105 Navy
#106 North Texas
#109 FAU
#115 UAB
#118 Tulsa
#120 East Carolina
#127 Charlotte
#130 Temple

Pretty easy to make a conference look weak when you leave out the top 4 teams. Tulane, SMU, Memphis and UTSA aren’t exactly NMSU lol