(12-03-2023 05:48 PM)8993 Wrote:  Nah, I'll pass.

Anyways, 7 of Liberty's 13 wins this season came against teams that ended with losing records, those teams being mostly CUSA leftovers (FIU, MTSU, Louisiana Tech, and UTEP). Their other wins came against our own ODU, who is bowling with a 6-6 record, Buffalo, who finished 3-9 in the MAC, Sam Houston State, who is still an FCS transitioning team, and independent UMASS, who has NEVER been a football powerhouse. All that to say: I guess money really does talk when Liberty can fling millions of dollars to the one conference that would take them so they could dominate and push through to a nice bowl.

Oh, and did I mention that Liberty didn't sell out its 25k stadium a single time this year? Even with a 13-0 record? That record is almost as fake as the degrees that they've been printing at Kinkos for years now.

Exactly. 13-0 from the being in the weakest conf in the country. Not saying they aren’t good, but Florida St, for 1, got hosed. They were also 13-0, but it wasn’t from beating the likes of loser tech.

(12-03-2023 05:47 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 05:45 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I hope Liberty wins….it would be good for the G5, but they won’t. It won’t be close. But we’ll see it anyways.

I agree. Besides I know no other univ. has done wrong...ever.

Yeah but not every school has the word “unprecedented” associated with their allegations or their potential penalties.

(12-03-2023 07:06 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 05:47 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 05:45 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I hope Liberty wins….it would be good for the G5, but they won’t. It won’t be close. But we’ll see it anyways.

I agree. Besides I know no other univ. has done wrong...ever.

Yeah but not every school has the word “unprecedented” associated with their allegations or their potential penalties.

Yes. +2 for you.

Look it is totally understandable why the Belt has this animosity. They were beat up on for years. CUSA came along and almost left them for dead. Then boom they brought in two good move ups. App State literally came in and immediately gave them the credibility they needed until they could pick themselves up again. With the exceptions of Kennisaw which I suspect was brought for ESPNs market value, the schools that were brought in clearly care about football. Maybe Sam is not totally ready but niether was ULM. And Delaware is totally ready as is Jacksonville State. So don’t come from a conference who survived on the backs of FCS move ups and blame Judy for being forced to do the same thing. CUSA will be a damn good conference when this is all done. I laugh when Tech fans are on our board going we would rather be in a conference playing teams we care about like ULL and Arkansas State and ULM. My response is, WHERE were you ten years ago when these teams wanted to play us. Yes these two conferences have bad blood. They have both tried to kill each other off.

(12-03-2023 07:37 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Look it is totally understandable why the Belt has this animosity. They were beat up on for years. CUSA came along and almost left them for dead. Then boom they bought in to very good move ups. App State literally came in and immediately gave them the credibility they needed until they could pick themselves up again. With the exceptions of Kennisaw which I suspect was brought for ESPNs market value, the schools that were brought in clearly care about football. Maybe Sam is not totally ready but niether was ULM. And Delaware is totally ready as is Jacksonville State. So don’t come from a conference who survived on the backs of FCS move ups and blame Judy for being forced to do the same thing. CUSA will be a damn good conference when this is all done. I laugh when Tech fans are on our board going we would rather be in a conference playing teams we care about like ULL and Arkansas State and ULM. My response is, WHERE were you ten years ago when these teams wanted to play us. Yes these two conferences have bad blood. They have both tried to kill each other off.

App and other call ups have done very well but they didn't give the Belt any more credibility than they were earning on their own. Arkansas State and Louisiana come to mind in the era shortly prior to their call up.

Yes but as one of your own pointed out. A lot of it was timing. JMU didn’t move up sooner because they wanted no part of the Belt and were waiting for a CUSA invite. Every school is going to look out for their best interest. And I am not saying ULL and ASU were not established but for god sake you needed to bring in Idaho and NMSU to give u needed numbers. Ironically one of the teams you kicked to the curb just had a 10 win season and kicked Auburns butt. But how soon you forget. Liberty came in and made an immediate impact on a conference on life support. Without them western and Middle probably go MAC

(12-03-2023 07:46 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Yes but as one of your own pointed out. A lot of it was timing. JMU didn’t move up sooner because they wanted no part of the Belt and were waiting for a CUSA invite. Every school is going to look out for their best interest.

What in the hell does that have to do with your statement on credibility? It was being built long before the call ups got here. Did they help? Absolutely! But that part of your statement was incorrect.

Hey man. I appreciate you wanting to build bridges to one another versus walls to keep each other out. I won’t lie and pretend that I 100% believe Liberty deserved their spot but it doesn’t matter. Hope y’all win and represent the G5 well.

(12-03-2023 07:49 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:46 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Yes but as one of your own pointed out. A lot of it was timing. JMU didn’t move up sooner because they wanted no part of the Belt and were waiting for a CUSA invite. Every school is going to look out for their best interest.

What in the hell does that have to do with your statement on credibility? It was being built long before the call ups got here. Did they help? Absolutely! But that part of your statement was incorrect.

They came in immediately and were ranked. That’s what I mean by credibility. It kept u in the spotlight. They were legit from the get go and it stopped your conference from crumbleing. Yes ULL and ASU are credible as well but when your conference mates abandon you a school like App can make an immediate impact. The rest followed suit. One year ago everyone thought CUsA was dead and now we Will receive the benefits of a team giving our conference credibility until the rest can catch up. And they will.

(12-03-2023 07:37 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Look it is totally understandable why the Belt has this animosity. They were beat up on for years. CUSA came along and almost left them for dead. Then boom they brought in two good move ups. App State literally came in and immediately gave them the credibility they needed until they could pick themselves up again. With the exceptions of Kennisaw which I suspect was brought for ESPNs market value, the schools that were brought in clearly care about football. Maybe Sam is not totally ready but niether was ULM. And Delaware is totally ready as is Jacksonville State. So don’t come from a conference who survived on the backs of FCS move ups and blame Judy for being forced to do the same thing. CUSA will be a damn good conference when this is all done. I laugh when Tech fans are on our board going we would rather be in a conference playing teams we care about like ULL and Arkansas State and ULM. My response is, WHERE were you ten years ago when these teams wanted to play us. Yes these two conferences have bad blood. They have both tried to kill each other off.

Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you here. App has done a lot for the Sun Belt, sure, but so has Troy, Louisiana, stAte, and USA, even well before App, GS, and GSU came along in the 2010s. You can't discount that the Sun Belt was on the rise in the early 2010s, which is why App, Coastal, GS, and GSU jumped up and over, which eventually led to Marshall, Southern Miss, ODU, and JMU jumping up and over.

No one program has lifted the Belt to where it is today. It has required ALL of us to improve. Hell, look at Texas State. I grin from ear to ear every time they win now (if it isn't against App, that is), just because they have REALLY stepped up their game. That takes a lot of hard work and a lot of money. Everybody is doing just that, so let's give props where they're due, which is everywhere.

(12-03-2023 07:49 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:46 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Yes but as one of your own pointed out. A lot of it was timing. JMU didn’t move up sooner because they wanted no part of the Belt and were waiting for a CUSA invite. Every school is going to look out for their best interest.

What in the hell does that have to do with your statement on credibility? It was being built long before the call ups got here. Did they help? Absolutely! But that part of your statement was incorrect.

lol. It has nothing to do with his true purpose on being here, which is to troll us and say ULL as many times as he can.

(12-03-2023 07:57 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:49 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:46 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Yes but as one of your own pointed out. A lot of it was timing. JMU didn’t move up sooner because they wanted no part of the Belt and were waiting for a CUSA invite. Every school is going to look out for their best interest.

What in the hell does that have to do with your statement on credibility? It was being built long before the call ups got here. Did they help? Absolutely! But that part of your statement was incorrect.

They came in immediately and were ranked. That’s what I mean by credibility. It kept u in the spotlight. They were legit from the get go and it stopped your conference from crumbleing. Yes ULL and ASU are credible as well but when your conference mates abandon you a school like App can make an immediate impact. The rest followed suit.

We will have to agree to disagree on this. I think the conference would have been just fine with other call ups that might not have been ranked early on. The SBC was destined to grow and succeed. The call ups have accelerated the pace but that foundation was laid way before the call ups came in and made their splash. Did we get the right call ups? Yes. Absolutely. Again, that foundation was in place to know which ones to get. So credibility belongs to those long time conference members and the conference leadership for doing the right thing at the right time. This takes nothing away from what the call ups did for the conference but to say they gave the conference credibility is just wrong.

(12-03-2023 08:00 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:49 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:46 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Yes but as one of your own pointed out. A lot of it was timing. JMU didn’t move up sooner because they wanted no part of the Belt and were waiting for a CUSA invite. Every school is going to look out for their best interest.

What in the hell does that have to do with your statement on credibility? It was being built long before the call ups got here. Did they help? Absolutely! But that part of your statement was incorrect.

lol. It has nothing to do with his true purpose on being here, which is to troll us and say ULL as many times as he can.

No dude you actually aren’t worth my time. Good job on the stadium by the way. It will look amazing.

And might I remind you that you only refer to my school as Loser Tech so I would think actually calling your school by it’s actual name wouldn’t bother you.

(12-03-2023 06:03 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Please they wanted CUSA dead and now they are pissed that u helped save it in ways even they didn’t imagine. Just let them enjoy themselves. They just should have realized that if your are going to kill a conference u need to finish they job before they pull a Kill Bill on you. Liberty is the Sun Belts App state. And we have no problem with that

CUSA tried to kill the Sun Belt, Sun Belt tried to kill CUSA.

Neither were successful, so both leagues now must go on and hate each other until the next round of realignment in a few years when the P5 goes their own way and we suddenly are forced to work together to survive.

(12-03-2023 08:03 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:57 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:49 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 07:46 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Yes but as one of your own pointed out. A lot of it was timing. JMU didn’t move up sooner because they wanted no part of the Belt and were waiting for a CUSA invite. Every school is going to look out for their best interest.

What in the hell does that have to do with your statement on credibility? It was being built long before the call ups got here. Did they help? Absolutely! But that part of your statement was incorrect.

They came in immediately and were ranked. That’s what I mean by credibility. It kept u in the spotlight. They were legit from the get go and it stopped your conference from crumbleing. Yes ULL and ASU are credible as well but when your conference mates abandon you a school like App can make an immediate impact. The rest followed suit.

We will have to agree to disagree on this. I think the conference would have been just fine with other call ups that might not have been ranked early on. The SBC was destined to grow and succeed. The call ups have accelerated the pace but that foundation was laid way before the call ups came in and made their splash. Did we get the right call ups? Yes. Absolutely. Again, that foundation was in place to know which ones to get. So credibility belongs to those long time conference members and the conference leadership for doing the right thing at the right time. This takes nothing away from what the call ups did for the conference but to say they gave the conference credibility is just wrong.

I think the pool might have been a little bigger to choose from at the time for the Belt. Most of the schools CUSA chose have money so they will build better facilities. And I am not trying to insult the teams that were left to hold the bag. I am just saying that App kept you on the map at a time when you really needed a program to. That’s what Liberty is doing for us

I could not care less about Pool Boy U's religion. The diploma mill aspect is known and if people want to buy a degree, lu will sell it to them. I ok with that too. The issue is the systemic cover up of abuse. That **** is effed up and someone should twist for that.

My dude, if you think coosa is not still on life support in spite of lu, you are sadly mistaken. You had one team run the table in the weakest FBS conference. That is not an achievement.
I do not wish lu well in anything. They can kick rocks and here is hoping the Ducks stomp a mud hole in them.

(12-03-2023 08:16 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  I could not care less about Pool Boy U's religion. The diploma mill aspect is known and if people want to buy a degree, lu will sell it to them. I ok with that too. The issue is the systemic cover up of abuse. That **** is effed up and someone should twist for that.

My dude, if you think coosa is not still on life support in spite of lu, you are sadly mistaken. You had one team run the table in the weakest FBS conference. That is not an achievement.
I do not wish lu well in anything. They can kick rocks and here is hoping the Ducks stomp a mud hole in them.

and no I don’t think we are on life support. We have more money rolling in then the Belt does thanks to certain teams doing quite well.

I would expect the Ducks to stomp a mud hole in any G5 that made that game. The are literally sponsored by Nike

(12-03-2023 08:20 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:16 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  I could not care less about Pool Boy U's religion. The diploma mill aspect is known and if people want to buy a degree, lu will sell it to them. I ok with that too. The issue is the systemic cover up of abuse. That **** is effed up and someone should twist for that.

My dude, if you think coosa is not still on life support in spite of lu, you are sadly mistaken. You had one team run the table in the weakest FBS conference. That is not an achievement.
I do not wish lu well in anything. They can kick rocks and here is hoping the Ducks stomp a mud hole in them.

and no I don’t think we are on life support. We have more money rolling in then the Belt does thanks to certain teams doing quite well.

I would expect the Ducks to stomp a mud hole in any G5 that made that game. The are literally sponsored by Nike

Technically isn't Liberty sponsored by God?

(12-03-2023 08:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:20 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:16 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  I could not care less about Pool Boy U's religion. The diploma mill aspect is known and if people want to buy a degree, lu will sell it to them. I ok with that too. The issue is the systemic cover up of abuse. That **** is effed up and someone should twist for that.

My dude, if you think coosa is not still on life support in spite of lu, you are sadly mistaken. You had one team run the table in the weakest FBS conference. That is not an achievement.
I do not wish lu well in anything. They can kick rocks and here is hoping the Ducks stomp a mud hole in them.

and no I don’t think we are on life support. We have more money rolling in then the Belt does thanks to certain teams doing quite well.

I would expect the Ducks to stomp a mud hole in any G5 that made that game. The are literally sponsored by Nike

Technically isn't Liberty sponsored by God?

Pretty sure God can do better.