Word is that the Bahamas bowl game that is playing in Charlotte really wants NIU in their game. But nothing is concrete with bowls being shuffled around and we won't know where we are going until probably late this week.

(11-27-2023 08:53 PM)astr083 Wrote:  Toledo against a SBC team in a "quasi" home bowl game in the South is a terrible reward for the season they have had.....

Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

(11-28-2023 09:05 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 08:53 PM)astr083 Wrote:  Toledo against a SBC team in a "quasi" home bowl game in the South is a terrible reward for the season they have had.....

Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

Meh, it would be ok... But not preferred. Especially if the game is in Mobile. It would be a home game for Troy. I'm so tired of MAC teams having to play in locales that are not appealing to travel to (i.e. Montgomery, and Myrtle Beach in December) where SBC or C-USA fans will most likely outnumber us because they are hundreds of miles closer.

Toledo should be playing a P-5 or ranked G5. I would also not be excited about JMU as that again would be the MAC playing against another SBC transition team.... I just don't see the motivation in playing those games for MAC teams. Nothing to gain by winning (as it is expected), and everything to lose if they lose (people will just say the MAC wasn't that good anyways).

(11-28-2023 01:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  ... I'm so tired of MAC teams having to play in locales that are not appealing to travel to (i.e. Montgomery, and Myrtle Beach in December) ...

Now what in the Sam Hill is wrong with South Carolina in December? Why, right now outside, it's 52 degrees.

Lovely football weather.

(11-28-2023 01:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 09:05 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 08:53 PM)astr083 Wrote:  Toledo against a SBC team in a "quasi" home bowl game in the South is a terrible reward for the season they have had.....

Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

Meh, it would be ok... But not preferred. Especially if the game is in Mobile. It would be a home game for Troy. I'm so tired of MAC teams having to play in locales that are not appealing to travel to (i.e. Montgomery, and Myrtle Beach in December) where SBC or C-USA fans will most likely outnumber us because they are hundreds of miles closer.

Toledo should be playing a P-5 or ranked G5. I would also not be excited about JMU as that again would be the MAC playing against another SBC transition team.... I just don't see the motivation in playing those games for MAC teams. Nothing to gain by winning (as it is expected), and everything to lose if they lose (people will just say the MAC wasn't that good anyways).

Agree on most points here. Troy is good, but Toledo would be at a disadvantage and likely underdogs. Winning that type of game should put Toledo in the top 15 with quasi wins over MAC East Champ, should be MWC Champ (but kept out because they lost to Toledo in some ways), and SBC Champ. Would be a better season than NIUs 2012. Similar to WMUs in 2016, with better wins and a worse loss.

(11-28-2023 01:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 09:05 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 08:53 PM)astr083 Wrote:  Toledo against a SBC team in a "quasi" home bowl game in the South is a terrible reward for the season they have had.....

Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

Toledo should be playing a P-5 or ranked G5. I would also not be excited about JMU as that again would be the MAC playing against another SBC transition team.... I just don't see the motivation in playing those games for MAC teams. Nothing to gain by winning (as it is expected), and everything to lose if they lose (people will just say the MAC wasn't that good anyways).

JMU is ranked #24 in the AP Poll and is 11-1 with wins over 9 bowl teams this season. And they hosted Gameday FWIW.

Not sure why there would be no motivation to play the Dukes.

(11-29-2023 09:02 AM)MobileBama1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 01:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 09:05 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 08:53 PM)astr083 Wrote:  Toledo against a SBC team in a "quasi" home bowl game in the South is a terrible reward for the season they have had.....

Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

Toledo should be playing a P-5 or ranked G5. I would also not be excited about JMU as that again would be the MAC playing against another SBC transition team.... I just don't see the motivation in playing those games for MAC teams. Nothing to gain by winning (as it is expected), and everything to lose if they lose (people will just say the MAC wasn't that good anyways).

JMU is ranked #24 in the AP Poll and is 11-1 with wins over 9 bowl teams this season. And they hosted Gameday FWIW.

Not sure why there would be no motivation to play the Dukes.

I would have offered that example, except that I'm not sure if James Madison's probationary status is going to affect where they land as a bowl team.

Generally speaking, I think the bowls are going to try to find a very good opponent for Toledo, at the very least a division champion of some kind from another G5 conference.

Toledo and James Madison in Mobile would be an excellent bowl game in my opinion, and I take this post as a hint that such a game is an actual possibility.

(11-29-2023 10:21 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:02 AM)MobileBama1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 01:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 09:05 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 08:53 PM)astr083 Wrote:  Toledo against a SBC team in a "quasi" home bowl game in the South is a terrible reward for the season they have had.....

Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

Toledo should be playing a P-5 or ranked G5. I would also not be excited about JMU as that again would be the MAC playing against another SBC transition team.... I just don't see the motivation in playing those games for MAC teams. Nothing to gain by winning (as it is expected), and everything to lose if they lose (people will just say the MAC wasn't that good anyways).

JMU is ranked #24 in the AP Poll and is 11-1 with wins over 9 bowl teams this season. And they hosted Gameday FWIW.

Not sure why there would be no motivation to play the Dukes.

I would have offered that example, except that I'm not sure if James Madison's probationary status is going to affect where they land as a bowl team.

Generally speaking, I think the bowls are going to try to find a very good opponent for Toledo, at the very least a division champion of some kind from another G5 conference.

Toledo and James Madison in Mobile would be an excellent bowl game in my opinion, and I take this post as a hint that such a game is an actual possibility.

Mobile would absolutely love Toledo and James Madison but I don't think that's going to happen. And Gasparilla is pushing hard for JMU.

(11-28-2023 01:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 01:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 09:05 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 08:53 PM)astr083 Wrote:  Toledo against a SBC team in a "quasi" home bowl game in the South is a terrible reward for the season they have had.....

Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

Meh, it would be ok... But not preferred. Especially if the game is in Mobile. It would be a home game for Troy. I'm so tired of MAC teams having to play in locales that are not appealing to travel to (i.e. Montgomery, and Myrtle Beach in December) where SBC or C-USA fans will most likely outnumber us because they are hundreds of miles closer.

Toledo should be playing a P-5 or ranked G5. I would also not be excited about JMU as that again would be the MAC playing against another SBC transition team.... I just don't see the motivation in playing those games for MAC teams. Nothing to gain by winning (as it is expected), and everything to lose if they lose (people will just say the MAC wasn't that good anyways).

Agree on most points here. Troy is good, but Toledo would be at a disadvantage and likely underdogs. Winning that type of game should put Toledo in the top 15 with quasi wins over MAC East Champ, should be MWC Champ (but kept out because they lost to Toledo in some ways), and SBC Champ. Would be a better season than NIUs 2012. Similar to WMUs in 2016, with better wins and a worse loss.

2012 NIU got in because they beat a ranked team. Toledo hasn’t been lucky enough to draw one.

(11-29-2023 03:09 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 01:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 01:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 09:05 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 08:53 PM)astr083 Wrote:  Toledo against a SBC team in a "quasi" home bowl game in the South is a terrible reward for the season they have had.....

Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

Meh, it would be ok... But not preferred. Especially if the game is in Mobile. It would be a home game for Troy. I'm so tired of MAC teams having to play in locales that are not appealing to travel to (i.e. Montgomery, and Myrtle Beach in December) where SBC or C-USA fans will most likely outnumber us because they are hundreds of miles closer.

Toledo should be playing a P-5 or ranked G5. I would also not be excited about JMU as that again would be the MAC playing against another SBC transition team.... I just don't see the motivation in playing those games for MAC teams. Nothing to gain by winning (as it is expected), and everything to lose if they lose (people will just say the MAC wasn't that good anyways).

Agree on most points here. Troy is good, but Toledo would be at a disadvantage and likely underdogs. Winning that type of game should put Toledo in the top 15 with quasi wins over MAC East Champ, should be MWC Champ (but kept out because they lost to Toledo in some ways), and SBC Champ. Would be a better season than NIUs 2012. Similar to WMUs in 2016, with better wins and a worse loss.

2012 NIU got in because they beat a ranked team. Toledo hasn’t been lucky enough to draw one.

With G5 teams also having no respect in the CFP rankings what NIU accomplished back then is going to be all that more difficult to do in the future.

(11-29-2023 09:02 AM)MobileBama1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 01:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 09:05 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 08:53 PM)astr083 Wrote:  Toledo against a SBC team in a "quasi" home bowl game in the South is a terrible reward for the season they have had.....

Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

Toledo should be playing a P-5 or ranked G5. I would also not be excited about JMU as that again would be the MAC playing against another SBC transition team.... I just don't see the motivation in playing those games for MAC teams. Nothing to gain by winning (as it is expected), and everything to lose if they lose (people will just say the MAC wasn't that good anyways).

JMU is ranked #24 in the AP Poll and is 11-1 with wins over 9 bowl teams this season. And they hosted Gameday FWIW.

Not sure why there would be no motivation to play the Dukes.

They are a transition team, and I'm not sure why hosting Gameday would make any difference. For an established G5 team like Toledo to lose to them, it would be a bad look. Beating a P5 team would be way more exciting.

(11-29-2023 02:54 PM)MobileBama1 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 10:21 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:02 AM)MobileBama1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 01:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 09:05 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Troy is 10-2. That would be a good game.

Toledo should be playing a P-5 or ranked G5. I would also not be excited about JMU as that again would be the MAC playing against another SBC transition team.... I just don't see the motivation in playing those games for MAC teams. Nothing to gain by winning (as it is expected), and everything to lose if they lose (people will just say the MAC wasn't that good anyways).

JMU is ranked #24 in the AP Poll and is 11-1 with wins over 9 bowl teams this season. And they hosted Gameday FWIW.

Not sure why there would be no motivation to play the Dukes.

I would have offered that example, except that I'm not sure if James Madison's probationary status is going to affect where they land as a bowl team.

Generally speaking, I think the bowls are going to try to find a very good opponent for Toledo, at the very least a division champion of some kind from another G5 conference.

Toledo and James Madison in Mobile would be an excellent bowl game in my opinion, and I take this post as a hint that such a game is an actual possibility.

Mobile would absolutely love Toledo and James Madison but I don't think that's going to happen. And Gasparilla is pushing hard for JMU.

All true, and if not for the transition status JMU would be playing in the SBC title game with an outside chance at the NY6 bowl with an upset or two. Bowls want to know you’re a good team that travels well, when you get College Gameday twice in the FCS and a 3rd time two weeks ago to have ESPN celebrate their 30th anniversary in front of an all-time record crowd (26000) despite being on fall break. Even the Friday afternoon Pat McAfee Show had a record crowd, Pat said they had more there for his show than have shown up to some Gamedays, even at Georgia. Attendance crowd counts for something when it’s ESPN making these bowl matchups.

Bowls are already being leaked and it looks like some deals being made. The Hawaii Bowl is already announced with Coastal Carolina (SBC) playing San Jose State (MWC). It’s not an SBC bowl, it’s Mountain West VS AAC. So Coastal is taking the place of an AAC team despite the AAC having 6 eligible teams for 4 primary affiliations. Louisiana is also playing Jax State in the New Orleans Bowl. Hearing JMU to the Boca Raton Bowl.

Arkansas State vs Northern Illinois in the "we barely made a bowl, Bowl" (Camelia Bowl, most likely)

JMU now without a coach, as he heads to IU. A scenario MAC fans are all too familiar with.

(12-01-2023 01:45 AM)MacLord Wrote:  JMU now without a coach, as he heads to IU. A scenario MAC fans are all too familiar with.

Coach Candle probably isn't far behind once he wins another MAC Championship and has his ranked team at 12-1.

(11-30-2023 11:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Arkansas State vs Northern Illinois in the "we barely made a bowl, Bowl" (Camelia Bowl, most likely)

(12-01-2023 07:39 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 01:45 AM)MacLord Wrote:  JMU now without a coach, as he heads to IU. A scenario MAC fans are all too familiar with.

Coach Candle probably isn't far behind once he wins another MAC Championship and has his ranked team at 12-1.

He was supposedly on the short list for Indiana before they hired Cignetti.

(12-01-2023 07:39 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 01:45 AM)MacLord Wrote:  JMU now without a coach, as he heads to IU. A scenario MAC fans are all too familiar with.

Coach Candle probably isn't far behind once he wins another MAC Championship and has his ranked team at 12-1.

It's looking more and more likely he stays at Toledo. Duke has been interviewing P5 coordinators. Houston may be able to offer him more cash, but it would probably be a lateral move from a winning standpoint. The rest of open jobs are G5 positions. Indiana seemed like the best fit from a HC perspective. Perhaps he gets poached by a P5 school to be a coordinator?

If I were Candle I wouldn't want to be in the running for Indiana. He should be able to get a better P5 gig.

[quote='epasnoopy' pid='19329423' dateline='1701449190 If I were Candle I wouldn't want to be in the running for Indiana. He should be able to get a better P5 gig. [/quote]

I was thinking, "but, next year is the Brave New World without divisions, Indiana won't have to play the Buckeyes, TTUN & Penn State every year."

Then I looked at the schedule and they play the Buckeyes, TTUN and Washington, so never mind, the job still sucks.