(11-12-2023 03:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ....
Maybe both AM and FSU should join the B1G?

In the B1G, you get the money and athletic status of the SEC, or close to the latter at least, and an easier path to the national title.

If Florida State joins the B1G Ten, it will be for similar reasons that the school joined the ACC 30+ years ago.

(11-12-2023 02:19 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 02:06 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  No

I disagree. It's smart and it would be hilarious They would have tricked Texas into going to the SEC.

You live on a cute planet.

(11-12-2023 06:27 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 02:19 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 02:06 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  No

I disagree. It's smart and it would be hilarious They would have tricked Texas into going to the SEC.

You live on a cute planet.

It's a troll thread that I only permitted due to the news of the day. But it does serve a function besides hits. I puts new names on my troll watch list.

(11-12-2023 06:25 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 03:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ....
Maybe both AM and FSU should join the B1G?

In the B1G, you get the money and athletic status of the SEC, or close to the latter at least, and an easier path to the national title.

If Florida State joins the B1G Ten, it will be for similar reasons that the school joined the ACC 30+ years ago.

You mean to be stuck in the wrong conference for another 30 years?

(11-12-2023 06:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 06:25 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 03:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ....
Maybe both AM and FSU should join the B1G?

In the B1G, you get the money and athletic status of the SEC, or close to the latter at least, and an easier path to the national title.

If Florida State joins the B1G Ten, it will be for similar reasons that the school joined the ACC 30+ years ago.

You mean to be stuck in the wrong conference for another 30 years?

BAM. Well said JR...only a move to the SEC will get FSU what we should be pursuing, which is meaningful games week in week out against like-minded regional universities that interest both our fans and the other schools.

(11-12-2023 05:52 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 03:14 PM)Acres Wrote:  They definitely do not need the money. The way they recruit, they’d have a shot at the playoffs every year. Run the conference. Get out of UT’s drama.
Politics wouldn’t let them do it, but this for them would be the path to a NC. Much like Florida State, Clemson and the ACC.

If they went back to the Big XII their recruting would take a big hit. They would lose recruits to the SEC newbies.

Probably, still I think that’s going to happen anyway. I think Texas and Oklahoma will redefine A&M place in the SEC. I think there is a reckoning coming, based on pure politics and ego. A&M thrived without UT in the SEC. Now that they are going to be in the same conference, it’s inevitable that something is going to give between the two.

Jumbo’s firing today is a piece of that. It’s going to be a lot tougher for A&M to get in the playoffs in the SEC than outside the SEC. Granted, the big12 would be an almost impossible decision for them.

(11-12-2023 06:51 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 05:52 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 03:14 PM)Acres Wrote:  They definitely do not need the money. The way they recruit, they’d have a shot at the playoffs every year. Run the conference. Get out of UT’s drama.
Politics wouldn’t let them do it, but this for them would be the path to a NC. Much like Florida State, Clemson and the ACC.

If they went back to the Big XII their recruting would take a big hit. They would lose recruits to the SEC newbies.

Probably, still I think that’s going to happen anyway. I think Texas and Oklahoma will redefine A&M place in the SEC. I think there is a reckoning coming, based on pure politics and ego. A&M thrived without UT in the SEC. Now that they are going to be in the same conference, it’s inevitable that something is going to give between the two.

Jumbo’s firing today is a piece of that. It’s going to be a lot tougher for A&M to get in the playoffs in the SEC than outside the SEC. The big12 would be a impossible decision for them, but I would not rule out the ACC.

No, it won't. Eventually there will be 2 super conferences and the playoff will be contained between them. Pay for play is going to winnow the field of those who are heavily subsidized, smaller less well-endowed privates, and schools from very poor states. Texas isn't one of those states.

The ruling the other day will only accelerate consolidation, and nobody who is a part of the SEC or Big 10 would even consider stepping back from membership in one of the two ultimate surviving conferences which when separated will earn even more. And all of the schadenfreude and wishing in the world won't make it so. A&M will make another splashy hire and hope for a different outcome. If they are smart they will avoid Jimmy Sexton clients. There's a long track record behind that suggestion.

(11-12-2023 06:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 06:51 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 05:52 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 03:14 PM)Acres Wrote:  They definitely do not need the money. The way they recruit, they’d have a shot at the playoffs every year. Run the conference. Get out of UT’s drama.
Politics wouldn’t let them do it, but this for them would be the path to a NC. Much like Florida State, Clemson and the ACC.

If they went back to the Big XII their recruting would take a big hit. They would lose recruits to the SEC newbies.

Probably, still I think that’s going to happen anyway. I think Texas and Oklahoma will redefine A&M place in the SEC. I think there is a reckoning coming, based on pure politics and ego. A&M thrived without UT in the SEC. Now that they are going to be in the same conference, it’s inevitable that something is going to give between the two.

Jumbo’s firing today is a piece of that. It’s going to be a lot tougher for A&M to get in the playoffs in the SEC than outside the SEC. The big12 would be a impossible decision for them, but I would not rule out the ACC.

No, it won't. Eventually there will be 2 super conferences and the playoff will be contained between them. Pay for play is going to winnow the field of those who are heavily subsidized, smaller less well-endowed privates, and schools from very poor states. Texas isn't one of those states.

The ruling the other day will only accelerate consolidation, and nobody who is a part of the SEC or Big 10 would even consider stepping back from membership in one of the two ultimate surviving conferences which when separated will earn even more. And all of the schadenfreude and wishing in the world won't make it so. A&M will make another splashy hire and hope for a different outcome. If they are smart they will avoid Jimmy Sexton clients. There's a long track record behind that suggestion.

Perhaps, when is this 2 super conferences and consolidation supposed to happen. There is supposedly a breakaway that will inevitably happen but no one has laid out realistic logistics on how that would work.

Not even considering political interference, subcommittee hearing and litigations that could ensue that would impact formation of these 2 super conferences.

(11-12-2023 06:20 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  They haven’t played any of those teams once since they left the Big12. The idea that Texas A&M would take a $40M a year haircut so their fans can drive to three games a year they don’t really care about is crazy.

That's not the idea. Read the thread.

(11-12-2023 06:27 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  You live on a cute planet.

It's called Earth. Join me.

(11-12-2023 06:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's a troll thread that I only permitted due to the news of the day. But it does serve a function besides hits. I puts new names on my troll watch list.

I'm 100% serious.

(11-12-2023 02:22 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 02:20 PM)goofus Wrote:  A&M should bolt for the Big Ten. That way they still get the money.

They would win more in the Big10 than the SEC but I think the Big12 is better because of travel. A&M doesn't need the money.

I've driven (from San Antonio) to see us play everyone in the SECW, and about half of the SECE. Other than Baylor and Texas, the drives were also very long in the Big 12. Even Texas Tech was kind of a slog compared to the old SWC days from my time in school. Now Texas is following Big Brother to the SEC, and I can get to their stadium in less than 90 minutes even with some traffic. So, no, travel is not the issue for us in the SEC.

Wins and losses you say? Our last really strong era was the early '90s. I remember that I was pissed that we lost so many games the year we beat Ks St for the Big 12 Title in '98, and we never won another. In fact, this season is nearly over, let's compare our record from our last 12 years in the Big 12 to our first 12 years in the SEC:

Big 12 (00-11): 79-66 only ranked once (19) in the entire 12 years
SEC: (12-23): 96-52, ranked 4 times, including twice in the top 5 in 12 years

Our past 12 years haven't been great, but they've been far better than our last 12 years in the Big 12. We keep knocking at the door and suffering heartbreak, but that's football. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't, but at least when you lose enough you can complain about the refs and fire the coach.

(11-12-2023 02:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 02:06 PM)UIWElite Wrote:  Yeah besides money and prestige, nothing to lose.

And recruiting. Plus, they couldn't chant S-E-C, S-E-C! and live vicariously off the glory of LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida and Tennessee winning championships.

Oh, come on, you don't get to criticize us for joining the SEC when you followed us. We've been better than Texas over the 12 years that we've been in the SEC, with the added bonus that we're not losing out to Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, OK St, like Texas has since we left.

(11-12-2023 07:09 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 06:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 06:51 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 05:52 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 03:14 PM)Acres Wrote:  They definitely do not need the money. The way they recruit, they’d have a shot at the playoffs every year. Run the conference. Get out of UT’s drama.
Politics wouldn’t let them do it, but this for them would be the path to a NC. Much like Florida State, Clemson and the ACC.

If they went back to the Big XII their recruting would take a big hit. They would lose recruits to the SEC newbies.

Probably, still I think that’s going to happen anyway. I think Texas and Oklahoma will redefine A&M place in the SEC. I think there is a reckoning coming, based on pure politics and ego. A&M thrived without UT in the SEC. Now that they are going to be in the same conference, it’s inevitable that something is going to give between the two.

Jumbo’s firing today is a piece of that. It’s going to be a lot tougher for A&M to get in the playoffs in the SEC than outside the SEC. The big12 would be a impossible decision for them, but I would not rule out the ACC.

No, it won't. Eventually there will be 2 super conferences and the playoff will be contained between them. Pay for play is going to winnow the field of those who are heavily subsidized, smaller less well-endowed privates, and schools from very poor states. Texas isn't one of those states.

The ruling the other day will only accelerate consolidation, and nobody who is a part of the SEC or Big 10 would even consider stepping back from membership in one of the two ultimate surviving conferences which when separated will earn even more. And all of the schadenfreude and wishing in the world won't make it so. A&M will make another splashy hire and hope for a different outcome. If they are smart they will avoid Jimmy Sexton clients. There's a long track record behind that suggestion.

Perhaps, when is this 2 super conferences and consolidation supposed to happen. There is supposedly a breakaway that will inevitably happen but no one has laid out realistic logistics on how that would work.

Not even considering political interference, subcommittee hearing and litigations that could ensue that would impact formation of these 2 super conferences.

To the latter, those happen at the whim of corporate political lobby. The courts are paving the way now. So much for litigation. Congress has refused to get involved. So much for political intrusion.

It is happening and has been happening since 1991. It was being contemplated since 1983. It won't announce itself; it will just happen.

NIL, pay for play, the downturn in enrollment aged applicants for college, a downsizing of higher education which proliferated following WWII, the GI Bill, Pell Grants for Boomer kids, and the Federal Student Loan program are long overdue. Consolidation is as much about a response to those factors as it is about sports. Heavily subsidizing sports which universities can't afford on their own steam is going to come to an end because the State and Federal government don't need things that compete for the tax dollars they need and don't currently have.

Texas and Oklahoma didn't move to the SEC just to play sports any more than USC, UCLA, UW and Oregon moved to the Big 10 to do it. They are clustering as the oldest and most established names in education outside of the Ivy League so that they are positioned to garner the lion's share of enrollees. And that consolidation is only the beginning, and sports is only a minor part of it.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it is not happening.

Enough has happened already that people should be clued in. But none of these entities are going to lay out their thinking and their blueprint to the future. That invites obstruction. They will just quietly get there, and it will be reality. People will wake up one day and that'll be the way it is. Radical political changes were launched in the late 60's, started gaining traction in universities in late 80's and early 90's and the public is just now waking up and saying, "What the hell is going on here?" This isn't as nefarious, but it is happening the same way. And the ideas for this have been around since the early 70's.

I find great irony in this notion because Texas A&M’s move to the SEC was the pivotal moment that made the era of the mega conference an inevitability. The SEC getting into the state of Texas put what was already one of the most valuable leagues and widened the gap. This ensured that the PAC 12, ACC, and Big 12 would never be able to catch up.

(11-12-2023 02:56 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 02:04 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  They would win more games in all sports. In football, they would probably win 3-4 more games per year. They would make the college football playoffs more often. The travel would be better for their teams and fans. They don't need the extra money from the SEC (they are blowing $80 million on Jimbo). They could pay their coaches less and still get good coaches. Coaches are a huge cost. Just get good, young coaches looking for a good opportunity. A&M could get away from the idea that a coach is a magical creature that can guarantee success. They can again be in a conference without the Texas Longhorns. Being in a conference with the Longhorns is just gross. I don't see a downside to leaving the SEC for the Big12. They'll win more. They'll make the CFP more. The travel is better. They don't need the money.

But the Big 12 isn't a superior option. Nothing short of the B1G would be acceptable to the fonors and fanbase. Plus, 95% of the B12 isn't enough to draw 90-100k to Kyle Field.

Over the past 2 years, 2 years in which we've been 11-11, we've pulled 90k or more for every single home game. We did it for Sam Houston, App St, and UMass last year (we were 3-7 going into the UMass game, too), and we've done it for New Mexico and Louisiana-Monroe this year. There were tickets to be had for the Ms St game yesterday (2 buddies had 1 kid each who couldn't make the game), but we had 103k for that one against a 4-5 SEC bottom dweller. I'm confident that we'd easily sell 100k for any slate in the Big 12, SEC, B1G, etc etc. However, we're VERY happy in the SEC and we're not leaving.

Don't worry, we don't really want your coach, either, though our BoR is so stupid that it's entirely possible that they had nobody in mind when they fired Jimbo. We might have to settle for Traylor when our top 3-5 picks turn us down for the same reason that LSU's top picks turned them down a couple years ago: expectations are just plain stupid at large SEC programs, and we eat our own every single year. If we were willing to pay close to $80m to buy out a coach who won a National Title at FSU a decade ago and got screwed out of a CFP spot less than 3 years ago, how much leeway are we going to give the next guy, a guy who almost certainly will NOT have a National Title on his resume? At least we didn't try to weasel out of the contract like MSU, well we didn't succeed anyway. I'm sure that some boosters spent a lot of money trying to dig up dirt on Jimbo over the past 18 months.

(11-12-2023 04:31 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 04:26 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 04:07 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  Unless they really, really hate being in the same conference with UT. And treated like UT's little brother again.

TAMU, Ark, and MU to the Big XII. :-)

I would like those 3 to go to the Big12 and it'd be a good move for those schools.

UT is toxic. No school should want to be associated with them. Many schools have left conferences just to get away from them. It's a real thing.

The SEC was too stupid to see that. They're about to pay the price for it.

You guys don't get it. A&M today is bigger than Texas was in all but their absolute glory days under Darrell Royal, but it doesn't matter b/c there are 10 schools in the SEC that also live and breathe football and have the money to compete. There are about to be 2 more, but they'll just be 2 more big fish in a pond that's already full of them. It's going to be fun and intense, and I'm excited to renew the rivalry, but I still view Alabama, LSU and Georgia as the programs that we have to get by to take that next step.

(11-12-2023 04:58 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 04:53 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  One additional drivable game per season for wimps who won't drive six hours to get somewhere is not really a massive difference.

You can admit you are wrong about travel being better (or the same) in the SEC for A&M than in the Big12. I know you can do it.

Except I can't, because I didn't make any claims about travel in the SEC being better or the same. That was your thing, to figure that having one more game a season less than a couple of hours drive away is a make or break for conference membership.

I just reflected on the differences between College Station and West Texas when you claimed that 6 hours isn't drivable.

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(11-12-2023 06:20 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 04:21 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 04:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So I can see you aren't a Texas Tech fan from West Texas who's just trolling ... LSU is less than 6hrs away (including slowing down to the speed limit at the Louisiana border), so is Oklahoma.

Nope. Houston is 1.5 hours away. Baylor is 1.5 hours away. TCU is 2.5 hours away. Travel would be better for Texas A&M in the Big 12. 3 very drivable schools in that conference for them. The rest is kind of a wash. It's a bunch of plane trips of about the same lengths in the Big12 or the SEC.

They haven’t played any of those teams once since they left the Big12. The idea that Texas A&M would take a $40M a year haircut so their fans can drive to three games a year they don’t really care about is crazy.

Redo your math. They are not going to host three conference mates every year. It is 1 or 2 "short drive" games a year versus 0 or 1 in the SEC, so net +1. And if it is such a big deal, if Arkansas is happy to keep playing Texas A&M at Arlington, it's only a net +0.5.

(11-12-2023 07:19 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I've driven (from San Antonio) to see us play everyone in the SECW, and about half of the SECE. Other than Baylor and Texas, the drives were also very long in the Big 12. Even Texas Tech was kind of a slog compared to the old SWC days from my time in school. Now Texas is following Big Brother to the SEC, and I can get to their stadium in less than 90 minutes even with some traffic. So, no, travel is not the issue for us in the SEC.

I believe you measure ease of travel from the school itself and for the schools currently in the Big12. So, you get: Houston is 1.5 hours away. Baylor is 1.5 hours away. TCU is 2.5 hours away. The only school that close in the SEC is Texas.

(11-12-2023 07:19 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 06:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's a troll thread that I only permitted due to the news of the day. But it does serve a function besides hits. I puts new names on my troll watch list.

I'm 100% serious.

So am I!