(11-10-2023 08:57 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 08:38 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I wouldn't count on the WV seat flipping R at all. R's can't even win safe states.

Point taken, but WVA is no longer in play. Manchin barely held it himself and no other D. can even come close.

It’s like a GOP trying to win a Senate race in Vermont or Hawaii. Simply not happening.

Vermont does have a republican governor. Running fiscally Republican and socially left. His approval rating is usually rated the highest of any Governor in the U.S.

(11-10-2023 12:30 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Running fiscally Republican and socially left. His approval rating is usually rated the highest of any Governor in the U.S.

You'd think there might be a lesson there for republicans.

(11-10-2023 12:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 12:30 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Running fiscally Republican and socially left. His approval rating is usually rated the highest of any Governor in the U.S.

You'd think there might be a lesson there for republicans.

you'd think ... then one realizes they're still breathing...

btw, that's DJT, TTT!

at the end of the day, like McCarthy, McDaniel has to go!!!

(11-10-2023 12:30 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 08:57 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  WVA is no longer in play. Manchin barely held it himself and no other D. can even come close.

It’s like a GOP trying to win a Senate race in Vermont or Hawaii. Simply not happening.

Vermont does have a republican governor. Running fiscally Republican and socially left. His approval rating is usually rated the highest of any Governor in the U.S.

That is true. Emphasis added.

(11-10-2023 12:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 12:30 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Running fiscally Republican and socially left. His approval rating is usually rated the highest of any Governor in the U.S.

You'd think there might be a lesson there for republicans.

For Republicans running to be Governor of Vermont, yes there definitely is. And for other state/local offices in Vermont or a few other states, too.

But nationwide? Or in most states/districts across the country? No, Phil Scott’s successful campaigns in Vermont really don’t provide any sort of lesson or roadmap for Republicans at all.

(11-10-2023 02:37 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 12:30 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 08:57 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  WVA is no longer in play. Manchin barely held it himself and no other D. can even come close.

It’s like a GOP trying to win a Senate race in Vermont or Hawaii. Simply not happening.

Vermont does have a republican governor. Running fiscally Republican and socially left. His approval rating is usually rated the highest of any Governor in the U.S.

That is true. Emphasis added.

(11-10-2023 12:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 12:30 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Running fiscally Republican and socially left. His approval rating is usually rated the highest of any Governor in the U.S.

You'd think there might be a lesson there for republicans.

For Republicans running to be Governor of Vermont, yes there definitely is. And for other state/local offices in Vermont or a few other states, too.

But nationwide? Or in most states/districts across the country? No, Phil Scott’s successful campaigns in Vermont really don’t provide any sort of lesson or roadmap for Republicans at all.

you're right, but so is he ... why isn't the RNC distancing itself from red state policy? ... as an example, if any US congressman is asked, "what is your position on abortion?" ... it's now simple to respond with, "SCOTUS has given that back to the states (rightfully so) ... therefore, I suggest you direct that question to the one's responsible..."

the job of the US legislature is to set macro policy in the best interest for the welfare of we the people ... the fed branches have completely lost sight of their responsibilities laid out in the constitution ... it's become a micro-media-managing clusterfk...

(11-10-2023 02:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  why isn't the RNC distancing itself from red state policy? ... as an example, if any US congressman is asked, "what is your position on abortion?" ... it's now simple to respond with, "SCOTUS has given that back to the states (rightfully so) ... therefore, I suggest you direct that question to the one's responsible..."

I like that approach. And while there’s obviously more to be said, that is the correct starting-point.

Quote:the job of the US legislature is to set macro policy in the best interest for the welfare of we the people ... the fed branches have completely lost sight of their responsibilities laid out in the constitution ... it's become a micro-media-managing clusterfk...

True.

Looks like some of it was VT’s governor was pretty well-established in the state before running for governor. That’s some of the problem I see w/ the Republican Party in other states, at least lately. We nominate ‘rising stars’ then wonder why they lose to a D who’s been well-respected in the state for decades. I know we don’t like the establishment, but it puts us behind from the get-go.

He's probably the last R VT sees as governor tho: as the state continues to sweep other offices, there won't be an established R to sneak in as governor.

(11-10-2023 03:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 02:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  why isn't the RNC distancing itself from red state policy? ... as an example, if any US congressman is asked, "what is your position on abortion?" ... it's now simple to respond with, "SCOTUS has given that back to the states (rightfully so) ... therefore, I suggest you direct that question to the one's responsible..."

I like that approach. And while there’s obviously more to be said, that is the correct starting-point.

Quote:the job of the US legislature is to set macro policy in the best interest for the welfare of we the people ... the fed branches have completely lost sight of their responsibilities laid out in the constitution ... it's become a micro-media-managing clusterfk...

True.

logic within politics is an oxymoron (has been my entire 58.4 + en macro) ... it's something I'll never understand if the stated goals as writ are to be followed in earnest ... once Woody sold out the gold standard to reserve currency, it was simply a matter of time and how the dominos would subsequently tumble...

once the full effect of the wealth siphon due to boomer deaths and the overtaxed exodus settles, it's game over/margin call .... today's cultural youth have zero clue what's looming right around the corner ... the inordinate proportion within their gens know the following .... they're ill equipped, inept, and scared to fk'n death...

when that collapse happens under today's fiat rule, it'll make the roaring 20s --->>> muh great depression look like leaving Taylor Swift's sweet sixteen party straight to the internment camp....

for me daughter and all our youth, I'm begging like nobody else to be wrong on this one....

@'24orBust

(11-10-2023 04:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 03:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 02:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  why isn't the RNC distancing itself from red state policy? ... as an example, if any US congressman is asked, "what is your position on abortion?" ... it's now simple to respond with, "SCOTUS has given that back to the states (rightfully so) ... therefore, I suggest you direct that question to the one's responsible..."

I like that approach. And while there’s obviously more to be said, that is the correct starting-point.

Quote:the job of the US legislature is to set macro policy in the best interest for the welfare of we the people ... the fed branches have completely lost sight of their responsibilities laid out in the constitution ... it's become a micro-media-managing clusterfk...

True.

logic within politics is an oxymoron (has been my entire 58.4 + en macro) ... it's something I'll never understand if the stated goals as writ are to be followed in earnest ... once Woody sold out the gold standard to reserve currency, it was simply a matter of time and how the dominos would subsequently tumble...

once the full effect of the wealth siphon due to boomer deaths and the overtaxed exodus settles, it's game over/margin call .... today's cultural youth have zero clue what's looming right around the corner ... the inordinate proportion within their gens know the following .... they're ill equipped, inept, and scared to fk'n death...

when that collapse happens under today's fiat rule, it'll make the roaring 20s --->>> muh great depression look like leaving Taylor Swift's sweet sixteen party straight to the internment camp....

for me daughter and all our youth, I'm begging like nobody else to be wrong on this one....

@'24orBust

You ain't wrong! Hell's coming and that right soon!

(11-10-2023 02:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  you're right, but so is he ... why isn't the RNC distancing itself from red state policy? ... as an example, if any US congressman is asked, "what is your position on abortion?" ... it's now simple to respond with, "SCOTUS has given that back to the states (rightfully so) ... therefore, I suggest you direct that question to the one's responsible..."

That was the beauty of Newt's Contract. It was built around what Newt called 80-20 issues, issues where he had done enough polling and surveys and focus groups to determine that 80% of the country, or thereabouts, was with him on them. If somebody tried to get you off on a 20-80 issue, you were directed to cange the subject back to an 80-20 issue ASAP.

(11-10-2023 04:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 02:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  you're right, but so is he ... why isn't the RNC distancing itself from red state policy? ... as an example, if any US congressman is asked, "what is your position on abortion?" ... it's now simple to respond with, "SCOTUS has given that back to the states (rightfully so) ... therefore, I suggest you direct that question to the one's responsible..."

That was the beauty of Newt's Contract. It was built around what Newt called 80-20 issues, issues where he had done enough polling and surveys and focus groups to determine that 80% of the country, or thereabouts, was with him on them. If somebody tried to get you off on a 20-80 issue, you were directed to cange the subject back to an 80-20 issue ASAP.

I've always agreed with this being best method in the messaging during congressional races ... again, I point to McDaniel and the RNC in totality ... that's where folks need to be pointing fingers ... it's why Rama-Rod-Swampy just earned a shiteload of brownie points as defined in the embedded linky....

you may not have read this .... this link will further explain my position...

https://csnbbs.com/thread-979862-post-19...id19267828

I also pointed this out when McDaniel 'won' the last go-round coupled with why McCarthy had to go .... it's all intertwined, sir!

w/o proper leadership, the subs will just continually attempt to float on swiss cheese .... hence, #stupidParty #inThePickleBarrel

@'24orBust