(11-06-2023 11:07 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 09:11 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 08:58 AM)AppinVA Wrote:  I’ve come to hate that we let you all play a Sun Belt schedule a year early. No good deed goes unpunished.

Ok, that’s your opinion, can’t argue with that. But what baffles me is the Georgia Southern fans pissing and moaning about it, yet failing to realize that by JMU playing a full FBS 2022 schedule allowed them to become bowl eligible, otherwise they stay home.

It would have been better if we had stayed home.
The main point in regarding this topic is that there have been several JMU fans online angry at the SBC and its members for not doing more. What exactly is the conference supposed to do? The waiver has already been denied. So unless you want to open up a lawsuit against the NCAA, then not sure what the point of anyone bringing it up again.

I agree it's a stupid rule and JMU should be eligible for post season play. Didn't like it when GS and App moved up and don't like it for Coastal or JMU.

Scary to think you team could actually improve next year. It would be good to finally send someone to the NY6 bowl or Playoffs (except App or GaSt) to get that monkey off the conferences back.

The Sun Belt and its ADs can vote to let JMU play in the conference championship. I get the rule we don't want JMU getting a spot that could make a team bowl eligible, but I think it is hard to see a 5-7 team winning the SBC east.

And Troy's unlikely, but most feasible NY6 route relies on beating us in the CCG.

(11-06-2023 10:57 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 09:39 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  The funniest part is scolding JMU fans for their incessant complaining when they’re the last ones to show up in the thread.

That may be the case for THIS thread. What about the other threads and the constant social media avalanche from their fans?

I can’t speak to social media elsewhere because I mind very little of it, but the other threads on this forum are the same way for the most part: the JMU fans here are pretty much resigned to the outcome, and it’s other schools’ fans bringing it up.

Quote:The examples of it happening to other schools is simply that, examples. I can only speak for my opinion, but it isn't "we couldn't so you can't either". It's more of an example that they are not special. Every one of those other schools went through the waiver/appeal process and were turned down. So if everyone is turned down, why should JMU expect to be any different?

Because their 1st “transition” year didn’t actually include any transitioning. They, via a mutually beneficial deal with the rest of the SBC (and an assist from Middle Tennessee), played a full FBS & conference schedule in Year 1. “Everybody” didn’t do that. People keep saying, “They’re no different” but they very much are.

No, JMU wasn’t promised any bonus points for that, but if being ranked while playing ahead of schedule isn’t worthy of an exception…geesh, why bother having a process to even ask?

I honestly say let JMU play for the SBC Championship game. Let them host it for having the best record if they finish undefeated. As the SBC's best shot at a NY6 we aren't even on the radar and it would take so much chaos to get us there. Also a win vs JMU on the road can actually *help* the resume more if we win and if we lose to them again then we aren't worthy of a SBC Championship this season or a NY6 bid.

JMU had years to make the move......... waited..... and waited...... and waited

Too bad..... it sucks ..... and we all paid the price

AND YES THE SUN BELT IS LOSING MILLIONS BECAUSE OF IT

Appreciate the support in here from what seems like a lot of SouthrnMiss fans ....we will see you next year in Bridgeforth stadium!!

Yep lot of hate from a few people toward JMU. They should be allowed to play in a bowl. All teams that move up should.

The whole they agreed to it thing is kind of dumb. I see contracts renegotiated/changed all the time. If something is dumb the fact that's it written on paper doesn't mean it's any less dumb.

(11-06-2023 12:25 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Yep lot of hate from a few people toward JMU. They should be allowed to play in a bowl. All teams that move up should.

The whole they agreed to it thing is kind of dumb. I see contracts renegotiated/changed all the time. If something is dumb the fact that's it written on paper doesn't mean it's any less dumb.

Haha...great take - apparently this one was written in stone..for now

(11-06-2023 12:25 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Yep lot of hate from a few people toward JMU. They should be allowed to play in a bowl. All teams that move up should.

The whole they agreed to it thing is kind of dumb. I see contracts renegotiated/changed all the time. If something is dumb the fact that's it written on paper doesn't mean it's any less dumb.

Good points. Also, JMU submitted their appeal for consideration based on the guidance they were getting they believed they were a slam dunk due to the circumstances. Then the new NCAA President takes over and quickly denies the request and indicated they were denying their request so that there would be "a uniform experience for all reclassifying institutions", which gave the appearance it was never really considered. Also, I've seen it pointed out that the waiver requires a 2/3 vote when it appears the Baker took it upon himself to shoot it down.

Quote:20.6.2.1.5 Waivers. The Council, by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may grant waivers of the requirements for reclassification from the Football Championship Subdivision to the Football Bowl Subdivision.

Wtf is this thread? Some of you are absolutely delusional. Makes a thread about JMU, then whines about JMU? Shouldn’t y’all be working, jobs…..?

(11-06-2023 11:01 AM)Dukes86 Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 02:10 AM)ODU2017 Wrote:  I choose not to support the waiver because the JMU fanbase has not endeared themselves to gentlemanly conduct and the spirit of friendly competition. Nay I say.

Gosh, I thought the SunBelt might have fans with stronger backbones, but yall are some weak humans.

Such a sensitive place around here. I don't think it'd be good for any of ODU, App, GSU, GSU (fake one), or Marshall to be looking at moving to a power conference in the future. You all are just so pathetic. Can't keep your attention off of us and can't handle trash talk and banter. You'd get eaten up.

These threads are stupid. All of your arguments are stupid and drenched in insecurity and jealousy. Enjoy always playing catch-up.

you don't recognize sarcasm very well do you?

(11-06-2023 12:49 PM)Xeonon Wrote:  Wtf is this thread? Some of you are absolutely delusional. Makes a thread about JMU, then whines about JMU? Shouldn’t y’all be working, jobs…..?

You are severely underestimating the average age of posters on this board.

(11-06-2023 11:27 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 10:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 10:15 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 09:56 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  I haven’t seen any public comments from our commissioner or fellow coaches banging the drum for JMU. That stupid, antiquated rule could cost JMU a chance at the playoffs and our conference prestige and millions. Where’s the public comments demanding an immediate change? Our conference has to help the Dukes!

They’ve come out in support of JMU seeking the waiver. It was denied so at this point it is what it is. We have to be careful not to cause too much of a stink. And if we are fighting for it what do you think the other G5 conferences are going to do to fight against it? I don’t think the SBC is well equipped to go up directly against Aresco.

We are probably just going to have to accept it at this point as hope that next year we will again be the strongest G5 conference with a team or more at the top of G5 rankings.

I really tire of this discussion week after week packaged in a different way. App was 7-5 its second transition year. Georgia Southern was 9-3. Both sat at home. We all knew the rules when we started. They appealed and lost just like GS and App’s appeals. Why do we continue to incessantly talk about something that won’t happen? If there is an an available bowl slot, let them play, but in no way should they play in the conference championship game or take a slot from eligible teams in the SBC or any other conference.

They didn't play a full FBS schedule in year 1. JMU did. Not the same, stop pretending it is.

nowhere in the rule does it say anything about what kind of schedule you play. It says TWO YEARS. It also doesn't say anything about how many wins you get in those two years either.

(11-06-2023 12:04 PM)PhillyApp1 Wrote:  JMU had years to make the move......... waited..... and waited...... and waited

Too bad..... it sucks ..... and we all paid the price

AND YES THE SUN BELT IS LOSING MILLIONS BECAUSE OF IT

Nobody’s keeping any of you from being 9-0 except yourselves.

Suck less.

(11-06-2023 11:56 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 10:57 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 09:39 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  The funniest part is scolding JMU fans for their incessant complaining when they’re the last ones to show up in the thread.

That may be the case for THIS thread. What about the other threads and the constant social media avalanche from their fans?

I can’t speak to social media elsewhere because I mind very little of it, but the other threads on this forum are the same way for the most part: the JMU fans here are pretty much resigned to the outcome, and it’s other schools’ fans bringing it up.

Quote:The examples of it happening to other schools is simply that, examples. I can only speak for my opinion, but it isn't "we couldn't so you can't either". It's more of an example that they are not special. Every one of those other schools went through the waiver/appeal process and were turned down. So if everyone is turned down, why should JMU expect to be any different?

Because their 1st “transition” year didn’t actually include any transitioning. They, via a mutually beneficial deal with the rest of the SBC (and an assist from Middle Tennessee), played a full FBS & conference schedule in Year 1. “Everybody” didn’t do that. People keep saying, “They’re no different” but they very much are.

No, JMU wasn’t promised any bonus points for that, but if being ranked while playing ahead of schedule isn’t worthy of an exception…geesh, why bother having a process to even ask?

Yes it did because we/they were not eligible for the FCS playoffs or the conference championships in the conferences that we were leaving in year one either. The transition has nothing to do with who you play. The transition is from 63 schollies to 85 and everything else that goes with it. JMU was on the receiving end of three other teams coming at the same time and yes it helped everyone else from a scheduling point of view. But no other team before them was allowed or offered that opportunity. They didn't play an FBS schedule because they were so benevolently forward thinking. They did it because the conference and the other teams allowed it. As I said before, the rule has nothing to do with who you play or how well you do against them. It is a two year transition. No matter how many "yes, but what about..." that people want to throw in the discussion, everything else is immaterial.

(11-06-2023 01:35 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 11:56 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 10:57 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 09:39 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  The funniest part is scolding JMU fans for their incessant complaining when they’re the last ones to show up in the thread.

That may be the case for THIS thread. What about the other threads and the constant social media avalanche from their fans?

I can’t speak to social media elsewhere because I mind very little of it, but the other threads on this forum are the same way for the most part: the JMU fans here are pretty much resigned to the outcome, and it’s other schools’ fans bringing it up.

Quote:The examples of it happening to other schools is simply that, examples. I can only speak for my opinion, but it isn't "we couldn't so you can't either". It's more of an example that they are not special. Every one of those other schools went through the waiver/appeal process and were turned down. So if everyone is turned down, why should JMU expect to be any different?

Because their 1st “transition” year didn’t actually include any transitioning. They, via a mutually beneficial deal with the rest of the SBC (and an assist from Middle Tennessee), played a full FBS & conference schedule in Year 1. “Everybody” didn’t do that. People keep saying, “They’re no different” but they very much are.

No, JMU wasn’t promised any bonus points for that, but if being ranked while playing ahead of schedule isn’t worthy of an exception…geesh, why bother having a process to even ask?

Yes it did because we/they were not eligible for the FCS playoffs or the conference championships in the conferences that we were leaving in year one either. The transition has nothing to do with who you play. The transition is from 63 schollies to 85 and everything else that goes with it. JMU was on the receiving end of three other teams coming at the same time and yes it helped everyone else from a scheduling point of view. But no other team before them was allowed or offered that opportunity. They didn't play an FBS schedule because they were so benevolently forward thinking. They did it because the conference and the other teams allowed it. As I said before, the rule has nothing to do with who you play or how well you do against them. It is a two year transition. No matter how many "yes, but what about..." that people want to throw in the discussion, everything else is immaterial.

Just stop. This is nonsense.

(11-06-2023 01:40 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 01:35 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 11:56 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 10:57 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 09:39 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  The funniest part is scolding JMU fans for their incessant complaining when they’re the last ones to show up in the thread.

That may be the case for THIS thread. What about the other threads and the constant social media avalanche from their fans?

I can’t speak to social media elsewhere because I mind very little of it, but the other threads on this forum are the same way for the most part: the JMU fans here are pretty much resigned to the outcome, and it’s other schools’ fans bringing it up.

Quote:The examples of it happening to other schools is simply that, examples. I can only speak for my opinion, but it isn't "we couldn't so you can't either". It's more of an example that they are not special. Every one of those other schools went through the waiver/appeal process and were turned down. So if everyone is turned down, why should JMU expect to be any different?

Because their 1st “transition” year didn’t actually include any transitioning. They, via a mutually beneficial deal with the rest of the SBC (and an assist from Middle Tennessee), played a full FBS & conference schedule in Year 1. “Everybody” didn’t do that. People keep saying, “They’re no different” but they very much are.

No, JMU wasn’t promised any bonus points for that, but if being ranked while playing ahead of schedule isn’t worthy of an exception…geesh, why bother having a process to even ask?

Yes it did because we/they were not eligible for the FCS playoffs or the conference championships in the conferences that we were leaving in year one either. The transition has nothing to do with who you play. The transition is from 63 schollies to 85 and everything else that goes with it. JMU was on the receiving end of three other teams coming at the same time and yes it helped everyone else from a scheduling point of view. But no other team before them was allowed or offered that opportunity. They didn't play an FBS schedule because they were so benevolently forward thinking. They did it because the conference and the other teams allowed it. As I said before, the rule has nothing to do with who you play or how well you do against them. It is a two year transition. No matter how many "yes, but what about..." that people want to throw in the discussion, everything else is immaterial.

Just stop. This is nonsense.

what part of anything that I wrote is not 100% factual?

If you can't see or refuse to accept what exactly is different, then its futile. Has nothing to do with what's factual and what isn't. Life is full of gray... it's rarely black and white.

(11-06-2023 01:35 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 11:56 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 10:57 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 09:39 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  The funniest part is scolding JMU fans for their incessant complaining when they’re the last ones to show up in the thread.

That may be the case for THIS thread. What about the other threads and the constant social media avalanche from their fans?

I can’t speak to social media elsewhere because I mind very little of it, but the other threads on this forum are the same way for the most part: the JMU fans here are pretty much resigned to the outcome, and it’s other schools’ fans bringing it up.

Quote:The examples of it happening to other schools is simply that, examples. I can only speak for my opinion, but it isn't "we couldn't so you can't either". It's more of an example that they are not special. Every one of those other schools went through the waiver/appeal process and were turned down. So if everyone is turned down, why should JMU expect to be any different?

Because their 1st “transition” year didn’t actually include any transitioning. They, via a mutually beneficial deal with the rest of the SBC (and an assist from Middle Tennessee), played a full FBS & conference schedule in Year 1. “Everybody” didn’t do that. People keep saying, “They’re no different” but they very much are.

No, JMU wasn’t promised any bonus points for that, but if being ranked while playing ahead of schedule isn’t worthy of an exception…geesh, why bother having a process to even ask?

Yes it did because we/they were not eligible for the FCS playoffs or the conference championships in the conferences that we were leaving in year one either. The transition has nothing to do with who you play. The transition is from 63 schollies to 85 and everything else that goes with it. JMU was on the receiving end of three other teams coming at the same time and yes it helped everyone else from a scheduling point of view. But no other team before them was allowed or offered that opportunity. They didn't play an FBS schedule because they were so benevolently forward thinking. They did it because the conference and the other teams allowed it. As I said before, the rule has nothing to do with who you play or how well you do against them. It is a two year transition. No matter how many "yes, but what about..." that people want to throw in the discussion, everything else is immaterial.

So why exactly did JMU pay MTSU $700k?

(11-06-2023 01:49 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  If you can't see or refuse to accept what exactly is different, then its futile. Has nothing to do with what's factual and what isn't. Life is full of gray... it's rarely black and white.

I can see what is different. What you guys can't see is that none of it matters.

what part of TWO YEARS do you not understand? When has anything that the NCAA does ever made any sense? I said it before. It sucks. The rule is stupid. It is what it is. You tried an appeal and they denied it. Life's a *****.

(11-06-2023 01:53 PM)godukes08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 01:35 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 11:56 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 10:57 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 09:39 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  The funniest part is scolding JMU fans for their incessant complaining when they’re the last ones to show up in the thread.

That may be the case for THIS thread. What about the other threads and the constant social media avalanche from their fans?

I can’t speak to social media elsewhere because I mind very little of it, but the other threads on this forum are the same way for the most part: the JMU fans here are pretty much resigned to the outcome, and it’s other schools’ fans bringing it up.

Quote:The examples of it happening to other schools is simply that, examples. I can only speak for my opinion, but it isn't "we couldn't so you can't either". It's more of an example that they are not special. Every one of those other schools went through the waiver/appeal process and were turned down. So if everyone is turned down, why should JMU expect to be any different?

Because their 1st “transition” year didn’t actually include any transitioning. They, via a mutually beneficial deal with the rest of the SBC (and an assist from Middle Tennessee), played a full FBS & conference schedule in Year 1. “Everybody” didn’t do that. People keep saying, “They’re no different” but they very much are.

No, JMU wasn’t promised any bonus points for that, but if being ranked while playing ahead of schedule isn’t worthy of an exception…geesh, why bother having a process to even ask?

Yes it did because we/they were not eligible for the FCS playoffs or the conference championships in the conferences that we were leaving in year one either. The transition has nothing to do with who you play. The transition is from 63 schollies to 85 and everything else that goes with it. JMU was on the receiving end of three other teams coming at the same time and yes it helped everyone else from a scheduling point of view. But no other team before them was allowed or offered that opportunity. They didn't play an FBS schedule because they were so benevolently forward thinking. They did it because the conference and the other teams allowed it. As I said before, the rule has nothing to do with who you play or how well you do against them. It is a two year transition. No matter how many "yes, but what about..." that people want to throw in the discussion, everything else is immaterial.

So why exactly did JMU pay MTSU $700k?

because you wanted to TRY to win your appeal. Guess what? It didn't work.