(10-30-2023 01:47 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Would gladly welcome UMass and UDel for hoops, but we really need to see some positive signs of life before inviting for football. UMass’ victory over Army this weekend was one such sign but we need many more, imho

UD currently sits 5/6 in the FCS polls and is coming off a playoff appearance last year after a lost decade of football for the program since Keeler left. They hired Ryan Carty, a UD alum and previous Sam Houston OC, who is in his second season. They recently completed the 60 million dollar Whitney Center and are fundraising for a 50-80 million dollar football only facility which will include an indoor practice facility (already have one but it’s dated), offices, etc. I get wanting to see some good signs but UD is trending up.

https://bluehens.com/feature/WACConstruction

(10-30-2023 06:38 PM)Hens97 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 01:47 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Would gladly welcome UMass and UDel for hoops, but we really need to see some positive signs of life before inviting for football. UMass’ victory over Army this weekend was one such sign but we need many more, imho

UD currently sits 5/6 in the FCS polls and is coming off a playoff appearance last year after a lost decade of football for the program since Keeler left. They hired Ryan Carty, a UD alum and previous Sam Houston OC, who is in his second season. They recently completed the 60 million dollar Whitney Center and are fundraising for a 50-80 million dollar football only facility which will include an indoor practice facility (already have one but it’s dated), offices, etc. I get wanting to see some good signs but UD is trending up.

https://bluehens.com/feature/WACConstruction

Thanks. We've got an entire thread on Delaware over on the sub forum with lots of stats--and opinions.

THAT thread is the Most active one right now>>>70 POSTS. We would like to have some Delaware posters over there to answer questions, comment, etc..

I'll put your link in that thread on the sub forum "CUSA Realignment".

(10-30-2023 07:00 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 06:38 PM)Hens97 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 01:47 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Would gladly welcome UMass and UDel for hoops, but we really need to see some positive signs of life before inviting for football. UMass’ victory over Army this weekend was one such sign but we need many more, imho

UD currently sits 5/6 in the FCS polls and is coming off a playoff appearance last year after a lost decade of football for the program since Keeler left. They hired Ryan Carty, a UD alum and previous Sam Houston OC, who is in his second season. They recently completed the 60 million dollar Whitney Center and are fundraising for a 50-80 million dollar football only facility which will include an indoor practice facility (already have one but it’s dated), offices, etc. I get wanting to see some good signs but UD is trending up.

https://bluehens.com/feature/WACConstruction

Thanks. We've got an entire thread on Delaware over on the sub forum with lots of stats--and opinions.

THAT thread is the Most active one right now. We would like to have some Delaware posters over there to answer questions, comment, etc..

I'll put your link in that thread on the sub forum "CUSA Realignment".

Didn’t even see that. Thanks! Will hop on over.

(10-30-2023 04:09 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 04:06 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 03:14 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 03:00 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 12:11 PM)R40 Wrote:  Wait 'til I get going!

fify

You still can't figure out how you lost to New Mexico State. You may be adding UMass to that list.

Now you're really selling it.

How about this? CUSA is scratching and clawing for any money they can get their hands on in television revenue and playing weeknight games. Meanwhile, UMass raised $8 million dollars with its eyes closed.

If you have a degree from a second rate school that is 8 times more before they even made any TV money.

That same stupid look you had on our face during the New Mexico State will be the same one you will have if they join the conference.

According to the KSU AD its 2 million + per season.

(10-30-2023 08:40 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 04:09 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 04:06 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 03:14 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 03:00 PM)inutech Wrote:  fify

You still can't figure out how you lost to New Mexico State. You may be adding UMass to that list.

Now you're really selling it.

How about this? CUSA is scratching and clawing for any money they can get their hands on in television revenue and playing weeknight games. Meanwhile, UMass raised $8 million dollars with its eyes closed.

If you have a degree from a second rate school that is 8 times more before they even made any TV money.

That same stupid look you had on our face during the New Mexico State will be the same one you will have if they join the conference.

According to the KSU AD its 2 million + per season.

TBH I don't believe anything our AD says.

(10-30-2023 06:38 PM)Hens97 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 01:47 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Would gladly welcome UMass and UDel for hoops, but we really need to see some positive signs of life before inviting for football. UMass’ victory over Army this weekend was one such sign but we need many more, imho

UD currently sits 5/6 in the FCS polls and is coming off a playoff appearance last year after a lost decade of football for the program since Keeler left. They hired Ryan Carty, a UD alum and previous Sam Houston OC, who is in his second season. They recently completed the 60 million dollar Whitney Center and are fundraising for a 50-80 million dollar football only facility which will include an indoor practice facility (already have one but it’s dated), offices, etc. I get wanting to see some good signs but UD is trending up.

https://bluehens.com/feature/WACConstruction

They are better then Tarlenton State

(10-31-2023 10:24 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 06:38 PM)Hens97 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 01:47 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Would gladly welcome UMass and UDel for hoops, but we really need to see some positive signs of life before inviting for football. UMass’ victory over Army this weekend was one such sign but we need many more, imho

UD currently sits 5/6 in the FCS polls and is coming off a playoff appearance last year after a lost decade of football for the program since Keeler left. They hired Ryan Carty, a UD alum and previous Sam Houston OC, who is in his second season. They recently completed the 60 million dollar Whitney Center and are fundraising for a 50-80 million dollar football only facility which will include an indoor practice facility (already have one but it’s dated), offices, etc. I get wanting to see some good signs but UD is trending up.

https://bluehens.com/feature/WACConstruction

They are better then Tarlenton State

Location isn't.

(10-31-2023 11:13 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 10:24 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 06:38 PM)Hens97 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 01:47 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Would gladly welcome UMass and UDel for hoops, but we really need to see some positive signs of life before inviting for football. UMass’ victory over Army this weekend was one such sign but we need many more, imho

UD currently sits 5/6 in the FCS polls and is coming off a playoff appearance last year after a lost decade of football for the program since Keeler left. They hired Ryan Carty, a UD alum and previous Sam Houston OC, who is in his second season. They recently completed the 60 million dollar Whitney Center and are fundraising for a 50-80 million dollar football only facility which will include an indoor practice facility (already have one but it’s dated), offices, etc. I get wanting to see some good signs but UD is trending up.

https://bluehens.com/feature/WACConstruction

They are better then Tarlenton State

Location isn't.

Everything else is.

Unless you’re like, half the league, in which case location is also better.

(10-30-2023 10:23 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:10 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:05 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:01 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  Hope to see the Minutemen and Blue Hens get an invite.

I literally cannot understand why.

They are very far away and not good. There is nothing wrong with UMass being a football independent (for any CUSA team). You can play them OOC if you want, but how does their inclusion improve CUSA?

Dude, you complain about everything the conference does or might do. If it's not the media deal, it's the GOR. If it's not the ideas fans have for the conference, it's who fans would like to see join.

This isn't the conference. Not yet. And hopefully not ever.

Arguing that doing something bad would be bad for the conference is not in any way a complaint about the conference. It's the opposite! If I hated CUSA as much as you think, I would support things that I think would harm CUSA.

Why do you hate CUSA so much? Why are you hoping for it to get worse? Dude, why root for harm to all of us?

I tell you, the hate and bitterness some of the fans of new schools show towards their new home is disheartening. And it's endless. All I read is how this conference isn't good enough for you and you want to make changes.

Just curious, so do you think CUSA should just be content with the current teams or are you thinking there are better options than Delaware and UMASS? If so, who do you think would help the conference?

(10-31-2023 11:28 AM)SparkysBurner69 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:23 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:10 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:05 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:01 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  Hope to see the Minutemen and Blue Hens get an invite.

I literally cannot understand why.

They are very far away and not good. There is nothing wrong with UMass being a football independent (for any CUSA team). You can play them OOC if you want, but how does their inclusion improve CUSA?

Dude, you complain about everything the conference does or might do. If it's not the media deal, it's the GOR. If it's not the ideas fans have for the conference, it's who fans would like to see join.

This isn't the conference. Not yet. And hopefully not ever.

Arguing that doing something bad would be bad for the conference is not in any way a complaint about the conference. It's the opposite! If I hated CUSA as much as you think, I would support things that I think would harm CUSA.

Why do you hate CUSA so much? Why are you hoping for it to get worse? Dude, why root for harm to all of us?

I tell you, the hate and bitterness some of the fans of new schools show towards their new home is disheartening. And it's endless. All I read is how this conference isn't good enough for you and you want to make changes.

Just curious, so do you think CUSA should just be content with the current teams or are you thinking there are better options than Delaware and UMASS? If so, who do you think would help the conference?

That’s a hell of a question to ask poster “inutech”.

(10-31-2023 11:27 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 11:13 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 10:24 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 06:38 PM)Hens97 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 01:47 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Would gladly welcome UMass and UDel for hoops, but we really need to see some positive signs of life before inviting for football. UMass’ victory over Army this weekend was one such sign but we need many more, imho

UD currently sits 5/6 in the FCS polls and is coming off a playoff appearance last year after a lost decade of football for the program since Keeler left. They hired Ryan Carty, a UD alum and previous Sam Houston OC, who is in his second season. They recently completed the 60 million dollar Whitney Center and are fundraising for a 50-80 million dollar football only facility which will include an indoor practice facility (already have one but it’s dated), offices, etc. I get wanting to see some good signs but UD is trending up.

https://bluehens.com/feature/WACConstruction

They are better then Tarlenton State

Location isn't.

Everything else is.

Unless you’re like, half the league, in which case location is also better.

That's part of the problem I was trying to highlight (and a real problem for CUSA in evaluating new teams).

(10-31-2023 11:28 AM)SparkysBurner69 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:23 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:10 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:05 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:01 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  Hope to see the Minutemen and Blue Hens get an invite.

I literally cannot understand why.

They are very far away and not good. There is nothing wrong with UMass being a football independent (for any CUSA team). You can play them OOC if you want, but how does their inclusion improve CUSA?

Dude, you complain about everything the conference does or might do. If it's not the media deal, it's the GOR. If it's not the ideas fans have for the conference, it's who fans would like to see join.

This isn't the conference. Not yet. And hopefully not ever.

Arguing that doing something bad would be bad for the conference is not in any way a complaint about the conference. It's the opposite! If I hated CUSA as much as you think, I would support things that I think would harm CUSA.

Why do you hate CUSA so much? Why are you hoping for it to get worse? Dude, why root for harm to all of us?

I tell you, the hate and bitterness some of the fans of new schools show towards their new home is disheartening. And it's endless. All I read is how this conference isn't good enough for you and you want to make changes.

Just curious, so do you think CUSA should just be content with the current teams or are you thinking there are better options than Delaware and UMASS? If so, who do you think would help the conference?

I would prefer to stay at 10. The issue is that I don't think there is anyone that would help the conference at this time (including Delaware and UMass).

I don't think you make things better by making things worse. Wholeheartedly disagree with the logic of "our travel is pretty bad, let's make it worse in order to help" or "our overall conference strength isn't great, let's add more bad/new-to-FBS teams."

Also aware of how simple division works and not interested in splitting limited conference funds another couple of ways.

Also VERY disinterested in "defensive" addition. If more teams leave, we can add new teams as needed (and where needed) at that time.

Also completely dismissive of any and all "but it just feels like we need more teams" because that's silly.

And, yeah, just not seeing anyone out there that's worth it overall. Because we are so spread out you can't find geographic fits that help travel much (we aren't well set up for divisions, we don't really even have a great east/west line).


tldr: prefer we not expand at all

(10-31-2023 11:28 AM)SparkysBurner69 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:23 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:10 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:05 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:01 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  Hope to see the Minutemen and Blue Hens get an invite.

I literally cannot understand why.

They are very far away and not good. There is nothing wrong with UMass being a football independent (for any CUSA team). You can play them OOC if you want, but how does their inclusion improve CUSA?

Dude, you complain about everything the conference does or might do. If it's not the media deal, it's the GOR. If it's not the ideas fans have for the conference, it's who fans would like to see join.

This isn't the conference. Not yet. And hopefully not ever.

Arguing that doing something bad would be bad for the conference is not in any way a complaint about the conference. It's the opposite! If I hated CUSA as much as you think, I would support things that I think would harm CUSA.

Why do you hate CUSA so much? Why are you hoping for it to get worse? Dude, why root for harm to all of us?

I tell you, the hate and bitterness some of the fans of new schools show towards their new home is disheartening. And it's endless. All I read is how this conference isn't good enough for you and you want to make changes.

Just curious, so do you think CUSA should just be content with the current teams or are you thinking there are better options than Delaware and UMASS? If so, who do you think would help the conference?

I like Delaware. I don't like UMass. And being that we already have 6 eastern teams and only 4 western, I think the west teams will balk if you don't at least add Tarleton State or Missouri State or someone more out west.

(10-31-2023 12:05 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 11:28 AM)SparkysBurner69 Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:23 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:10 AM)smith79jordan Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 10:05 AM)inutech Wrote:  I literally cannot understand why.

They are very far away and not good. There is nothing wrong with UMass being a football independent (for any CUSA team). You can play them OOC if you want, but how does their inclusion improve CUSA?

Dude, you complain about everything the conference does or might do. If it's not the media deal, it's the GOR. If it's not the ideas fans have for the conference, it's who fans would like to see join.

This isn't the conference. Not yet. And hopefully not ever.

Arguing that doing something bad would be bad for the conference is not in any way a complaint about the conference. It's the opposite! If I hated CUSA as much as you think, I would support things that I think would harm CUSA.

Why do you hate CUSA so much? Why are you hoping for it to get worse? Dude, why root for harm to all of us?

I tell you, the hate and bitterness some of the fans of new schools show towards their new home is disheartening. And it's endless. All I read is how this conference isn't good enough for you and you want to make changes.

Just curious, so do you think CUSA should just be content with the current teams or are you thinking there are better options than Delaware and UMASS? If so, who do you think would help the conference?

I like Delaware. I don't like UMass. And being that we already have 6 eastern teams and only 4 western, I think the west teams will balk if you don't at least add Tarleton State or Missouri State or someone more out west.

Agreed. I like both adds, and see the value in them as all-sports members. But Jax State would not be happy if we got pushed into a western division. We would have to offset this with two more western schools, and leadership hasn't indicated anything about going to 14.

Why do we have to go to East/West divisions? What about North/South or something else? I think being at 10 teams is precarious for CUSA. Conferences are huge these days, upwards of 14 teams. I don't want to have to scramble for another 3-4 teams down the road as teams get picked off. I like UMASS and Delaware as CUSA additions.

What would a North/South look like with additions of UMass and UD?

N: UM/UD/LU/WKU/MT/KSU
S: NMSU/UTEP/SHSU/LT/JSU/FIU

I posted i the other thread but it's worth a laugh here too.

Since some have pondered divisions if Delaware and UMass would be added, let's think "outside" the box.

Since UTEP, NMSU, Liberty and FIU have to fly nearly everywhere already, how about this:

Outer Division:
UTEP, NMSU, Liberty, FIU, Delaware, and UMAss

Inner Division:
LaTech, MTSU, WKU, JaxSt, KSU, SHSU

Ok..its partially in jest but there is some logic to it.

This division talk is not applicable/necessary (for the lack of a better word).

SEVERAL conferences have Dropped divisions--IN ALL Sports.

Many conferences (sometimes CUSA) have used a regional or limited scheduling concept with no divisions.

Example-- Conference "S" has 12 teams but in a very poor geographical setup.

Basketball-- If that league decides to play Only 18 games--instead of a true "round-robin" with 22 games...

Then you-- in some scheduling models--play 7 teams twice (from your area) and the four teams (far away) just once for a total of 18. OR--if you want to play 20 games--it would be nine teams twice and two teams just once(longest trip).

A few leagues may not even play a team or two the whole season in some sports (rotating basis).

Of course you could face ANY league team if you qualify for the conference tournament.

That happens in college baseball all the time in some conferences.

You set all this up to minimize travel and save money/class time, etc..

Of COURSE this creates "uneven scheduling"--that is the disadvantage.

But it works and lots of leagues use different variations of the idea.

Can't always have everything perfect.

(10-31-2023 01:06 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  What would a North/South look like with additions of UMass and UD?

N: UM/UD/LU/WKU/MT/KSU
S: NMSU/UTEP/SHSU/LT/JSU/FIU

This would actually make the most sense IMHO. You're still keeping regional.....somewhat.

(10-31-2023 06:30 PM)rtb72 Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 01:06 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  What would a North/South look like with additions of UMass and UD?

N: UM/UD/LU/WKU/MT/KSU
S: NMSU/UTEP/SHSU/LT/JSU/FIU

This would actually make the most sense IMHO. You're still keeping regional.....somewhat.

I'd prefer liberty travel to Texas and beyond for nearly every game. None of this crap makes sense. I could see how you or LU would rejoice with a couple more northern teams within a reasonable distance to liberty while others suffer to make it so.