(10-15-2023 09:16 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 08:38 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Go 12-0, and it'll fix itself. Otherwise, hell of a year either way. Those others schools have financial incentive to play along if JMU is 12-0 and sniffing a NY6 payday.

That still may not fix the NCAA/CFP side of things.

We're eligible for the NY6 bowl if we win the SBC CCG as the highest ranked G5 and there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams.

The NCAA rules specify which teams are eligible for a bowl. They don't specify when a NY6 bowl has to make its selection.

That said, there's strong incentive for the committee to underrate JMU. If we're the #1 G5 and don't get a NY6 bid, that's a bunch of noise for the NCAA. Easier to just vote against us to avoid a sh!t storm.

(10-15-2023 10:14 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 09:16 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 08:38 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Go 12-0, and it'll fix itself. Otherwise, hell of a year either way. Those others schools have financial incentive to play along if JMU is 12-0 and sniffing a NY6 payday.

That still may not fix the NCAA/CFP side of things.

We're eligible for the NY6 bowl if we win the SBC CCG as the highest ranked G5 and there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams.

The NCAA rules specify which teams are eligible for a bowl. They don't specify when a NY6 bowl has to make its selection.

That said, there's strong incentive for the committee to underrate JMU. If we're the #1 G5 and don't get a NY6 bid, that's a bunch of noise for the NCAA. Easier to just vote against us to avoid a sh!t storm.

Plus, they know we're not the type school that's going to put up a big fuss over an unfavorable decision. That's part of our DNA, it's not often JMU steps over the line.

I hope we're brushing up on our legal options. My ignorant opinion is that it seems when the lawyers come knocking at the NCAA doors they fold like a cheap chair. JMU should have its court case ready to go, "new information will become available", and the NCAA grants the exception seems to be our only way out of the 2-year transition rule.

(10-16-2023 07:45 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I hope we're brushing up on our legal options. My ignorant opinion is that it seems when the lawyers come knocking at the NCAA doors they fold like a cheap chair. JMU should have its court case ready to go, "new information will become available", and the NCAA grants the exception seems to be our only way out of the 2-year transition rule.

I've seen nothing from JB's comments that lead me believe this would go legal.

(10-15-2023 10:02 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 07:57 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 05:43 PM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  Did anyone listen to Dave Riggert's interview with Commissioner Gill at halftime yesterday? Near the end he asked what everyone else has asked, What your position on JMU in the CCG. He stated that was not his decision, but the conference as a whole, and it remains to be seen. Kinda leaves us in a maybe, maybe not state but he didnt say no to it. He said, we'll see at the end of the season, there is a lot of football left. I dont think the NCAA has jurisdiction on conference championship games its up to the conference to decide. They do however regulate bowls,but they left us an out if not enough teams make the cut. All we need to do is win baby win!

Interesting. I didn’t hear that interview. But that tells the story…Gill won’t decide to change the rule, the Sun Belt members will. It would have been easier to change Gill’s mind, but not so for the members who will have selfish motivation.
What do you think the chances are of a 6-2 team winning the East and letting JMU play in the championship game as a transition team if they finish better 7-1/8-0 ? Slim and none.

That is correct. Reading the Southern board last night, some fans pointed to the silver lining - JMU may be badass as hell, but we will still play in the conference championship because they can't. What a bunch of losers!

The only way I see the conference members approving us for the CCG is if we go 12-0 which will make them look like complete assclowns to the rest of the world if they deny us.

well, the fans wont be casting the vote on behalf of GSU, the AD will. Sure the 6-2 team may vote against us, but what about the 12 other teams? If there is a chance they get a slice of the NY6 pay day, then you would think they would support us. Then there are the optics, if we go 8-0, are you really going to deny JMU? they will look as bad as the NCAA.

all this falls apart if we dont go 8-0 and undefeated.

(10-16-2023 07:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 07:45 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I hope we're brushing up on our legal options. My ignorant opinion is that it seems when the lawyers come knocking at the NCAA doors they fold like a cheap chair. JMU should have its court case ready to go, "new information will become available", and the NCAA grants the exception seems to be our only way out of the 2-year transition rule.

I've seen nothing from JB's comments that lead me believe this would go legal.

Jason Miyares says otherwise

(10-15-2023 10:14 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  We're eligible for the NY6 bowl if we win the SBC CCG as the highest ranked G5 and there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams.

The NCAA rules specify which teams are eligible for a bowl. They don't specify when a NY6 bowl has to make its selection.

That said, there's strong incentive for the committee to underrate JMU. If we're the #1 G5 and don't get a NY6 bid, that's a bunch of noise for the NCAA. Easier to just vote against us to avoid a sh!t storm.

NY6 selection is made by the CFP committee. By rule, it’s the highest CFP rated G5 champ that gets a bid.

I don’t believe we will be rated or voted on at all by the CFP committee, anymore than a FCS team would be. They consider us ineligible. That’s the crux of the issue.

It’s catch-22, and SBC won’t want to make us eligible for CCG on basis of we could be ineligible for bowls, at least until it’s clear that we are. Even then SBC presidents/ADs would have to vote to allow it.

IF the bowl eligible question could be resolved quickly enough, then maybe there’s a one in a hundred chance of the other pieces falling in place with enough pressure from media/public. It feels highly improbable, even if we run the table.

(10-16-2023 07:57 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 07:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 07:45 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I hope we're brushing up on our legal options. My ignorant opinion is that it seems when the lawyers come knocking at the NCAA doors they fold like a cheap chair. JMU should have its court case ready to go, "new information will become available", and the NCAA grants the exception seems to be our only way out of the 2-year transition rule.

I've seen nothing from JB's comments that lead me believe this would go legal.

Jason Miyares says otherwise

Get the Alabama AG involved upon the behalf of Jacksonville State and threaten a multi-state anti-trust lawsuit. And before you know it we are both bowl eligible and the rule is gone.

Only reason I could see us "going legal", and I think it's worth considering, is the potential loss of revenue and exposure that we leave on the table. Our final record still is anybody's guess but we know for a fact that JMU is measuring exposure especially this month with all of the ESPN linear opportunities. If we're going to do everything to give ourselves and our student athletes the best opportunities then lawyering up has to be on the table [or at least the threat of doing so]. The legal route is thick with expenses too but I think even posturing helps our case and pressures the NCAA.

If we aren’t rated by CFP and we run the table and go 12-0 or 13-0, then I would also entertain the UCF path, when they had a perfect season and were excluded.

If any one of the NCAA “BCS” selector polls rates JMU as #1, it is legitimate to claim a split national Champion title in FBS. UCF did this, and it was validated by NCAA. Last I looked we were closing in on top 10 in the Colley Matrix, which is the selector poll UCF used.

Would it be controversial? Of course. But it would be well deserved in that situation, and only help us as it did UCF.

(10-14-2023 10:43 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 10:15 PM)DevilDawg Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 10:11 PM)Purple Wrote:  Yeah, when she said that, I told her that it couldn't be or it would be huge news. She insisted that she heard that. I wish I had asked her where she heard it.

"Ye must be careful as 85% of quotes on the internet, and a subset of facts from in-person conversation are made up." - James Madison

James Madison was a visionary.

"Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see on Instagram." - James Madison

I wonder if this is a situation where we simply need a majority, or if it has to be unanimous or something because of it being a mid-season exception. Either way, the fact that we keep hearing about this potential exception tells me there's a scenario where it will happen. It has to be something that's been thoroughly discussed and the SBC members have a reason they're waiting to see, so if we're undefeated(which is probably the scenario they have in mind) then hopefully #2 in the East doesn't go back on their word if it does need to be unanimous.

(10-16-2023 08:18 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  If we aren’t rated by CFP and we run the table and go 12-0 or 13-0, then I would also entertain the UCF path, when they had a perfect season and were excluded.

If any one of the NCAA “BCS” selector polls rates JMU as #1, it is legitimate to claim a split national Champion title in FBS. UCF did this, and it was validated by NCAA. Last I looked we were closing in on top 10 in the Colley Matrix, which is the selector poll UCF used.

Would it be controversial? Of course. But it would be well deserved in that situation, and only help us as it did UCF.

that's such a pipedream as to be almost laughable.

but if......IF....that happened.....JMU better start digging up the Godwin side the day after the poll is released because they won't be able to keep up with the demand of people wanting tickets.

(10-16-2023 08:18 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  If we aren’t rated by CFP and we run the table and go 12-0 or 13-0, then I would also entertain the UCF path, when they had a perfect season and were excluded.

If any one of the NCAA “BCS” selector polls rates JMU as #1, it is legitimate to claim a split national Champion title in FBS. UCF did this, and it was validated by NCAA. Last I looked we were closing in on top 10 in the Colley Matrix, which is the selector poll UCF used.

Would it be controversial? Of course. But it would be well deserved in that situation, and only help us as it did UCF.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/17...up_week_7/

Number 9 this week in the colley matrix lol

Brett McMurphy's latest bowl projections today predict only 79 eligible teams for 82 spots.

so he has us going to the Gasparilla Bowl in Tampa to play Memphis on Dec 22nd.

we need to keep quiet and keep winning.

the bowl thing will sort itself out if we do that.

^^exactly

(10-16-2023 10:49 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Brett McMurphy's latest bowl projections today predict only 79 eligible teams for 82 spots.

so he has us going to the Gasparilla Bowl in Tampa to play Memphis on Dec 22nd.

we need to keep quiet and keep winning.

the bowl thing will sort itself out if we do that.

Once again I don't care what the Bowl name is, I'd love to play Memphis.

Let’s beat Marshall first.

(10-16-2023 11:18 AM)Xeonon Wrote:  Let’s beat Marshall first.

I mean yeah, that’s how time works.
If we can play Memphis before Thursday’s game against Marshall though, I think we should do it!

(10-16-2023 07:45 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I hope we're brushing up on our legal options. My ignorant opinion is that it seems when the lawyers come knocking at the NCAA doors they fold like a cheap chair. JMU should have its court case ready to go, "new information will become available", and the NCAA grants the exception seems to be our only way out of the 2-year transition rule.

The NCAA will 100% fold if we go legal. Just look at what happened with Liberty's move to FBS.

They set a precedent of not enforcing FCS to FBS transition rules when they granted Liberty permission to move up without a conference invite. Now they're arbitrarily enforcing the rules again.

The NCAA would absolutely prefer to keep its transition rules (broadly, not just FCS to FBS) out of the courts where a legal precedent could be set. An unfavorable ruling could completely blow up their divisional rules. The path of least resistance would be to just grant JMU/JSU/SHSU a waiver (which is allowed under the bylaws).