(10-08-2023 07:12 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Also, men's volleyball is a spring team sport.

The season is later than the women's volleyball season?

(10-08-2023 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:12 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Also, men's volleyball is a spring team sport.

The season is later than the women's volleyball season?

Yes. Including the NCAA championship tournaments, the women's season runs from August to December, while the men's season runs from January to May.

(10-05-2023 02:47 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 12:53 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:44 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 02:01 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I see the revised FBS membership requirements as potentially lowering the obstacles to more FCS programs moving up to FBS. The biggest financial consideration for schools considering the move will no longer be whether they can raise huge sums of money for football stadium expansion. Instead it will be whether they're prepared to grow their overall athletic budgets to meet the new ongoing sports sponsorship and scholarship requirements, which IMHO is really where the emphasis should be. As for the one-time FCS-to-FBS move-up fee, while $5 million is a lot more than $5,000, it's way less than the cost of expanding a stadium.

They should require at least 15,000 seats for FBS.

I get built for comfort but less than that is a HS stadium.

Yep

Elimination of the 15k average rule was to help the MAC. They were having to be "creative" to meet the 15k average.

A stadium size requirement does exactly what to help student-athletes (beside raise cost of ownership of facilities and that takes dollars from student-athletes). These new criteria sends more money their way.

Put another way, why mandate building a church for Easter Sunday.

If the school can support "90%/$6M/210/16" that's what matters.

SDSU has 19k seats. Last home game of 2022 v Ill St:
DATE: 11/12/2022 SITE: Brookings, South Dakota STADIUM: Dana J. Dykhouse Stadium ATTENDANCE: 8160 KICKOFF TIME: 02:05 PM END OF GAME: 04:48 PM DURATION: 02:42 TEMPERATURE: 21 WIND: NW 11mph WEATHER: Cloudy

19k seats, under half used.

Unlike many schools, SDSU only count butts in the seat, not tickets sold. Attendance 2023, to date
Game By Game Results
DATE OPPONENT RESULT SCORE RECORD DURATION ATTENDANCE
08/31/2023 vs Western Ore. 16,258
09/09/2023 vs Montana St. 19,332
09/30/2023 vs North Dakota 19,231

Remaining home games, UNI and NDSU are sold out 19, 332, Missouri State, last home game of the year, is currently not sold out.

(10-04-2023 08:44 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  They should require at least 15,000 seats for FBS.

Are we talking about a football stadium or an attendanceball stadium?

I only really follow one of those sports. But I know other people like both (or prefer attendanceball).

(10-09-2023 10:03 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:44 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  They should require at least 15,000 seats for FBS.

Are we talking about a football stadium or an attendanceball stadium?

I only really follow one of those sports. But I know other people like both (or prefer attendanceball).

The former "paid or turnstile" attendance requirement was primarily a requirement to have a 15,000 seat stadium, because you can't have sponsors "buy tickets" for empty seats to meet paid attendance requirements if the seats do not exist.

They decided that being able to support an FBS level athletic department was more important than being able to find a sponsor to buy tickets so that empty seats count as paid attendance.

Seems like they are protecting the current FBS members - glad they got rid of the 15k attendance charade.

I do think an attendance requirement is a good thing, but the current rule was such a joke IMO that better to be without it if it couldn't be toughened up.

(10-09-2023 11:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 10:03 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:44 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  They should require at least 15,000 seats for FBS.

Are we talking about a football stadium or an attendanceball stadium?

I only really follow one of those sports. But I know other people like both (or prefer attendanceball).

The former "paid or turnstile" attendance requirement was primarily a requirement to have a 15,000 seat stadium, because you can't have sponsors "buy tickets" for empty seats to meet paid attendance requirements if the seats do not exist.

They decided that being able to support an FBS level athletic department was more important than being able to find a sponsor to buy tickets so that empty seats count as paid attendance.

Yeah, I am fine with the new policy, I was asking about the comment I quoted. But it's possible that the poster and I are interested in different sports.

(10-09-2023 12:35 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 11:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 10:03 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:44 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  They should require at least 15,000 seats for FBS.

Are we talking about a football stadium or an attendanceball stadium?

I only really follow one of those sports. But I know other people like both (or prefer attendanceball).

The former "paid or turnstile" attendance requirement was primarily a requirement to have a 15,000 seat stadium, because you can't have sponsors "buy tickets" for empty seats to meet paid attendance requirements if the seats do not exist.

They decided that being able to support an FBS level athletic department was more important than being able to find a sponsor to buy tickets so that empty seats count as paid attendance.

Yeah, I am fine with the new policy, I was asking about the comment I quoted. But it's possible that the poster and I are interested in different sports.

Sorry for not being clear, I was not disputing whether KitCat was interested in a competition other than football ... just thinking through whether he was cheering for attendanceball or constructionball.

But in either case, it wouldn't be surprising if y'all are following different sports, since KitCat's Ohio University keeps falling short of winning the conference championship in the "football" competition side.

(10-09-2023 11:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seems like they are protecting the current FBS members - glad they got rid of the 15k attendance charade.

I do think an attendance requirement is a good thing, but the current rule was such a joke IMO that better to be without it if it couldn't be toughened up.

I do think it was a protection against schools with presidents with egos bigger than their pocketbooks. But it was clear they weren't enforcing it.

What is the fee to move from D2 to FCS? Did that change?

(10-09-2023 09:02 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  What is the fee to move from D2 to FCS? Did that change?

I don't see any mention of changes to rules for a Division II to Division I transition, though there's no telling whether they are going to turn to that after getting the FCS to FBS squared away.

If there is going to be a fee, it's going to be for the move to Division I. They are not going to allow a school to move up to Division I and then forbid them from playing FCS football unless they pay an additional fee.

CSU-Fullerton is over $26 million spending last year.
Long Beach State is over $25 million
Northridge State is over $20 million
Cleveland State is over $14 million
College of Charleston is $$22 million
FGCU is over $17 million
George Mason is over $30 million
SIU-Edwardsville is over $11 million
Texas A&M-C. C. is over $14 million
UTA is over $18 Million
UTSA is over $14 million, but with football coming in would bring it more.
Little Rock is over $15 million
UNF is over $14 million
Green Bay is over $8 million
Milwaukee is over $15 million
Utah Valley is over $18 million
VCU is over $41 million
Wichita State is over $25 million


Those are the schools without football is spending. I think they are trying to win a title with other sports. VCU hiring coaches for men's basketball could be the reason why they are up there.

D2 and D3 are also spending more as well for mental health and all that the D1 schools are having as well. We may see some changes withing D1 and D2 in movements more now.

(10-07-2023 02:41 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  For a school with 7 Men's sports and 9 Women's sports, this would be the minimal path to get over 210:

FBS Football: 85
Men's Basketball: 13
Men's Golf: 4.5
Men's Rife: 3.6
Men's Tennis: 4.5
Men's Volleyball: 4.5
Men's Fencing: 4.5
Total Men's scholarships: 119.6

Women's Basketball: 15
Women's Softball: 12
Women's Volleyball: 12
Women's Soccer: 14
Field Hockey: 12
Women's Tennis: 8
Women's Water Polo: 8
Women's Fencing: 5
Women's Golf: 6
Total Women's scholarships: 92.0

Total Scholarships: 211.6

North Dakota (FCS; 8M/9W for 17) today is running:

MBB 13
CC/ITF/OTF 12.6
FB (FCS) 63
Golf 4.5
Hockey 18
Tennis 4.5
Sub-tot: 115.6

WBB 15
CC/ITF/OTF 18
Golf 6
Soccer 14
Softball 12
Tennis 8
Volleyball 12
Sub-tot: 85

Total: 200.6

(10-10-2023 10:25 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(10-07-2023 02:41 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  For a school with 7 Men's sports and 9 Women's sports, this would be the minimal path to get over 210:

FBS Football: 85
Men's Basketball: 13
Men's Golf: 4.5
Men's Rife: 3.6
Men's Tennis: 4.5
Men's Volleyball: 4.5
Men's Fencing: 4.5
Total Men's scholarships: 119.6

Women's Basketball: 15
Women's Softball: 12
Women's Volleyball: 12
Women's Soccer: 14
Field Hockey: 12
Women's Tennis: 8
Women's Water Polo: 8
Women's Fencing: 5
Women's Golf: 6
Total Women's scholarships: 92.0

Total Scholarships: 211.6

North Dakota (FCS; 8M/9W for 17) today is running:

MBB 13
CC/ITF/OTF 12.6
FB (FCS) 63
Golf 4.5
Hockey 18
Tennis 4.5
Sub-tot: 115.6

WBB 15
CC/ITF/OTF 18
Golf 6
Soccer 14
Softball 12
Tennis 8
Volleyball 12
Sub-tot: 85

Total: 200.6

There you go, start Women's Lax at 12 and they would be at 210.

(10-10-2023 11:12 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  There you go, start Women's Lax at 12 and they would be at 210.

Add [FCS (63) -> FBS (85)] 22 scholarships and at 222.6.
Heck, just go to minimum 90% of FBS (76.5) from 63 is plus 13.5 and that's 214.1.

Under the new rules UND is there (because 12.3k Alerus Center is no longer a concern and because adding any grants will take $5.94M over the $6M).

Strange how AD Chaves has UND positioned so well as these changes occur. Or not.

(10-05-2023 11:43 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 03:40 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Illinois State $7,687,637 19 sports
Northern Arizona $7,279,284 15 sports
Stony Brook $8,367,833 18 sports
Towson $8,329,889 19 sports
Albany $8,375,566 18 sports
UC-Davis $8,338,310 25 sports
Delaware $13,415,334 21 sports
Maine $6,597,768 17 sports
New Hampshire $9,867,696 20 sports

The rest which are mainly between $5 million to 6 million, some at $4 million to 5, and a handful are at below $4 million out of the FCS. This is not including the private schools who did not disclosed their numbers plus some like UTRGV or UTA one which is adding football and other sports while the other the students want football.

You need to add Sacramento State to that list.

Yep. We're at 21 sports, 452 athletes and $5.45M in student aid. FBS scholarships and matching Title IX scholarships would get us to the $6M mark.

They never enforced the attendance requirement, so there was no need to keep it encoded.

(10-10-2023 11:27 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 11:12 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  There you go, start Women's Lax at 12 and they would be at 210.

Add [FCS (63) -> FBS (85)] 22 scholarships and at 222.6.
Heck, just go to minimum 90% of FBS (76.5) from 63 is plus 13.5 and that's 214.1.

Under the new rules UND is there (because 12.3k Alerus Center is no longer a concern and because adding any grants will take $5.94M over the $6M). ...

That is, presuming that the TitleIX considerations of the additional 13.5 to 22 football scholarships don't require a match.

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(10-12-2023 01:22 AM)C2__ Wrote:  They never enforced the attendance requirement, so there was no need to keep it encoded.

They enforced the rule on the books, but meeting the paid attendance side of the rule didn't actually require attendance, it just required packaging sponsorships to pass some of the money through ticket purchases, so it was effectively a requirement to have a stadium of a given size without actually being a requirement to have attendance that suited that stadium.

(10-08-2023 09:39 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:12 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Also, men's volleyball is a spring team sport.

The season is later than the women's volleyball season?

Yes. Including the NCAA championship tournaments, the women's season runs from August to December, while the men's season runs from January to May.

Is there a reason for this?

(10-12-2023 05:16 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 09:39 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:12 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Also, men's volleyball is a spring team sport.

The season is later than the women's volleyball season?

Yes. Including the NCAA championship tournaments, the women's season runs from August to December, while the men's season runs from January to May.

Is there a reason for this?

I've wondered this several times when I am looking at non-FBS conferences and school that are gaming out satisfying sports sponsorship requirements -- which include both minimum sponsorship counts and three season sponsorship requirements.

Note that among football sponsoring schools, women's volleyball is sponsored by substantially more schools than men's volleyball, due to Title IX considerations regarding male/female scholarships balance (where the "balance point" depends in part on male/female enrollment ratios), so men's volleyball may well be more dominated by the needs of the non-football subdivision.

So, just speculating, but it may be that non-football subdivision schools needed another men's spring sport more than they needed another women's spring sport. It may be that more non-football subdivision schools practice men and women's basketball in the same gymnasium where they practice and play men and women's volleyball, so spreading women's and men's volleyball improves the logistics of sharing the gym with a winter sport.