(09-21-2023 12:06 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 12:04 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh the humanity of having more people vote.

Next up, automatic voting. Don’t laugh. Register as republican or democrat and you have automatically voted. No need to bother checking some box. Just sit back and collect your check. Unless of course you want to change your vote. Then you’ll have to go through the DMV and a “small” fee to do so.

Bingo.

Just the way the commies want it.

That isn’t happening and automatic voter registration isn’t going to lead to people being loaded into rail cars.

Taxes should be illegal? How are you going to pay for the military, schools, roads, etc? And selective service isn’t automatic, but it is required. Not sure how closely they check or if there are penalties for not doing so. I registered in 1985 and that was the last time I thought about it. I think I had to show proof of registration when applying for college. Same for my son but he’s 26 now.

Excuse me, I meant income taxes should not be legal. They are not even needed other than for pork.

(09-21-2023 12:17 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 12:06 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 12:04 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh the humanity of having more people vote.

Next up, automatic voting. Don’t laugh. Register as republican or democrat and you have automatically voted. No need to bother checking some box. Just sit back and collect your check. Unless of course you want to change your vote. Then you’ll have to go through the DMV and a “small” fee to do so.

Bingo.

Just the way the commies want it.

That isn’t happening and automatic voter registration isn’t going to lead to people being loaded into rail cars.

Taxes should be illegal? How are you going to pay for the military, schools, roads, etc? And selective service isn’t automatic, but it is required. Not sure how closely they check or if there are penalties for not doing so. I registered in 1985 and that was the last time I thought about it. I think I had to show proof of registration when applying for college. Same for my son but he’s 26 now.

The problem with moronotrons like yourself is you never see what’s coming. Much less what may be coming.

(09-21-2023 12:21 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Excuse me, I meant income taxes should not be legal. They are not even needed other than for pork.

I never could stand income tax, the man going to get some of my hard earned money before its gets to my pocket.

I have a job.. I get paid a wage.. Those wages are taxed. It takes fuel to get to work. That fuel is taxed. The vehicle I drive is taxed when I buy it and then I have to pay two yearly taxes to keep it legal to drive on the roads. I own a house. I'm taxed on that home. I buy food to eat. I'm taxed on that.

So in short, we're taxed on the money we make and the money we spend.

If our federal government would kindly get their affairs in order and pass a budget, and stick to said budget, and quit pissing money away by sending it to other countries, I think our taxes would be so much lower.. And quit touching Social Security.

Look, if I lived in that state and as a Rep I would be worried about illegals voting all you have to do is ingrain in their minds the truth, that the Demonics are America's version of the Socialist/Communist leaders of the countries that they left. But, not just one little ol' billboard but a whole slew of them. You have to show them that the reason that they were allowed so easily into the country was so that these American Socialist could remain in power forever, like in their home countries. It would backfire on the Demonics.

But, what do I know, I'm just a dumb Latino and I don't know anything about Latin America.

(09-21-2023 09:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 04:03 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Law-abiding citizens should not be forced to do anything they don’t want to do. If someone doesn’t want to register to vote, fine. That’s their choice. They should not be forced to register to vote just because the government says so. That is not what America’s about.

Who is being forced to do anything here?

That's the whole point of this. You don't have to do anything, other than opt out if you wish.

Nobody is forcing anyone to vote.

That's not the point, but you know that. Auto registering anyone for anything is a huge overreach, imo.

(09-22-2023 07:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 09:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 04:03 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Law-abiding citizens should not be forced to do anything they don’t want to do. If someone doesn’t want to register to vote, fine. That’s their choice. They should not be forced to register to vote just because the government says so. That is not what America’s about.

Who is being forced to do anything here?

That's the whole point of this. You don't have to do anything, other than opt out if you wish.

Nobody is forcing anyone to vote.

That's not the point, but you know that. Auto registering anyone for anything is a huge overreach, imo.

To me, it's only marginally "huge" in relation to it potentially making people sit on juries. Not sure if there's a caveat in the new policy for that or not.

Simply putting your name on a roll is otherwise harmless. You don't have to do a damned thing. You don't have to fill out a form and you certainly don't have to vote. Plus you have the simple task of just marking a box when you get your DL to not be registered.

Again, Oh, the humanity.

(09-22-2023 08:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  To me, it's only marginally "huge" in relation to it potentially making people sit on juries. Not sure if there's a caveat in the new policy for that or not.

Simply putting your name on a roll is otherwise harmless. You don't have to do a damned thing. You don't have to fill out a form and you certainly don't have to vote. Plus you have the simple task of just marking a box when you get your DL to not be registered.

Again, Oh, the humanity.

Ok TJP. Let's go with "what is the big deal".

What assurances are you willing to require along with this that validate the voter is casting their own vote on their own behalf? Government Identification? Signature validation? Retinal scans? DNA? Duplication systems?


Seriously.... there are way too many dirtbags and system gamers out there to just drop your ballot in a mailbox and take their word for it, it's all good.


People are lazy and too busy. By automatically registering them you have instantly opened an avenue to have a vote cast on their behalf that they did not make and a convenient method to let it happen because "look, they are on the voter rolls" rubber stamp approved.

Also, who guarantees that people are properly purged once they die or move etc... Wasn't it your very own home state that had more than 100K on their rolls that no longer were eligible in to vote in the state (let alone the actual town they live in) - even if it wasn't your state, that was an actual fact in one state (and I am sure others as well).


If a person wants to vote for this stuff that badly, they should opt in. I am all for making the opt in process as simple as possible and giving them every reasonable opportunity to cast their vote.



The unintended consequences of automatic enrollment opens too many opportunities for even more voter fraud than is worth - at least not without some pretty solid guardrails and safeguards as noted. Too many people have lost faith in the process already, do you want to double down on that and especially without repairing any of that reputation damage first?

(09-22-2023 09:02 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-22-2023 08:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  To me, it's only marginally "huge" in relation to it potentially making people sit on juries. Not sure if there's a caveat in the new policy for that or not.

Simply putting your name on a roll is otherwise harmless. You don't have to do a damned thing. You don't have to fill out a form and you certainly don't have to vote. Plus you have the simple task of just marking a box when you get your DL to not be registered.

Again, Oh, the humanity.

Ok TJP. Let's go with "what is the big deal".

What assurances are you willing to require along with this that validate the voter is casting their own vote on their own behalf? Government Identification? Signature validation? Retinal scans? DNA? Duplication systems?


Seriously.... there are way too many dirtbags and system gamers out there to just drop your ballot in a mailbox and take their word for it, it's all good.


People are lazy and too busy. By automatically registering them you have instantly opened an avenue to have a vote cast on their behalf that they did not make and a convenient method to let it happen because "look, they are on the voter rolls" rubber stamp approved.

Also, who guarantees that people are properly purged once they die or move etc... Wasn't it your very own home state that had more than 100K on their rolls that no longer were eligible in to vote in the state (let alone the actual town they live in) - even if it wasn't your state, that was an actual fact in one state (and I am sure others as well).


If a person wants to vote for this stuff that badly, they should opt in. I am all for making the opt in process as simple as possible and giving them every reasonable opportunity to cast their vote.



The unintended consequences of automatic enrollment opens too many opportunities for even more voter fraud than is worth - at least not without some pretty solid guardrails and safeguards as noted. Too many people have lost faith in the process already, do you want to double down on that and especially without repairing any of that reputation damage first?

The systems are already in place to assure voters are casting votes only on their behalf.

In the 2020 presidential election, PA had 9 million registered voters. Turnout was 76.5%. There were already over 2 million people someone could have used to file a fake vote with. Adding more registered voters changes nothing.

People have lost faith in the process mostly because they're ignorant and listen to ego-driven narcissistic liars like trump rather then actually learning about the solid guardrails, safeguards, and procedures already in place.

(09-22-2023 09:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The systems are already in place to assure voters are casting votes only on their behalf.

Complete and total lie.

(09-22-2023 09:02 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-22-2023 08:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  To me, it's only marginally "huge" in relation to it potentially making people sit on juries. Not sure if there's a caveat in the new policy for that or not.

Simply putting your name on a roll is otherwise harmless. You don't have to do a damned thing. You don't have to fill out a form and you certainly don't have to vote. Plus you have the simple task of just marking a box when you get your DL to not be registered.

Again, Oh, the humanity.

Ok TJP. Let's go with "what is the big deal".

What assurances are you willing to require along with this that validate the voter is casting their own vote on their own behalf? Government Identification? Signature validation? Retinal scans? DNA? Duplication systems?


Seriously.... there are way too many dirtbags and system gamers out there to just drop your ballot in a mailbox and take their word for it, it's all good.


People are lazy and too busy. By automatically registering them you have instantly opened an avenue to have a vote cast on their behalf that they did not make and a convenient method to let it happen because "look, they are on the voter rolls" rubber stamp approved.

Also, who guarantees that people are properly purged once they die or move etc... Wasn't it your very own home state that had more than 100K on their rolls that no longer were eligible in to vote in the state (let alone the actual town they live in) - even if it wasn't your state, that was an actual fact in one state (and I am sure others as well).


If a person wants to vote for this stuff that badly, they should opt in. I am all for making the opt in process as simple as possible and giving them every reasonable opportunity to cast their vote.



The unintended consequences of automatic enrollment opens too many opportunities for even more voter fraud than is worth - at least not without some pretty solid guardrails and safeguards as noted. Too many people have lost faith in the process already, do you want to double down on that and especially without repairing any of that reputation damage first?

Everything that you brought up is both accurate and easy for anyone with even limited intelligence to understand. The fact that LeftwingTom continues to contest and deflect on the matter just shows that no amount of reasoning or rationalization is going to make any difference to him. He's a dedicated water carrier for the left no matter what.

Illegals will now be registered voters in PA upon getting their state sponsored driver's license or IDs. They will receive mail in ballots because they are on the voter rolls. Anyone with common sense can imagine that many of those ballots will end up filled out and in the mail. Only a fool would contend or believe that none of them would end up being counted. Their lame rhetoric after the election and it was found that some were illegally counted will be - "It wasn't enough to change the election outcome".

(09-22-2023 09:49 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Illegals will now be registered voters in PA upon getting their state sponsored driver's license or IDs.

This is a complete and total lie.

Quote:The Governor also knows that skeptics will fear the decision is somehow giving an advantage to Democrats.

“I think what it’s doing is giving our democracy an advantage,” said Shapiro. “We’re not checking your registration. We don’t care what your views are on issues.”

County election officials did express some concerns because when this system was rolled out years ago, it was possible that people who were not U.S. citizens, but here legally, could get registered to vote.

County officials raised red flags, including at the time, Al Schmidt, who’s now Secretary of State and overseeing the state’s elections.

“It was an issue some years ago that was [b]corrected by the Pennsylvania Department of State,”[/b] Schmidt tells abc27. “Nothing about the changes today as significant as they are to improve voter access, enable non-citizens to register to vote.”

https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania-polit...ia-voters/

(09-20-2023 09:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Do I really need to mention that merely being registered in no way means you will vote, or are required to do so? That seems to be lost on a few posters here.

If there was a way to ensure that a ballot cannot be used in your name (better security) then this wouldn’t be a major issue.


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If a person does not intend to vote, there is NO reason for him to be registered to vote.

(09-22-2023 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-22-2023 09:49 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Illegals will now be registered voters in PA upon getting their state sponsored driver's license or IDs.

This is a complete and total lie.

Quote:The Governor also knows that skeptics will fear the decision is somehow giving an advantage to Democrats.

“I think what it’s doing is giving our democracy an advantage,” said Shapiro. “We’re not checking your registration. We don’t care what your views are on issues.”

County election officials did express some concerns because when this system was rolled out years ago, it was possible that people who were not U.S. citizens, but here legally, could get registered to vote.

County officials raised red flags, including at the time, Al Schmidt, who’s now Secretary of State and overseeing the state’s elections.

“It was an issue some years ago that was [b]corrected by the Pennsylvania Department of State,”[/b] Schmidt tells abc27. “Nothing about the changes today as significant as they are to improve voter access, enable non-citizens to register to vote.”

https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania-polit...ia-voters/

LOL.

Brought to you by the same political party that openly states time and time again on TV that "The border is secure", "The economy is doing great", etc., etc., etc.

(09-22-2023 09:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-22-2023 09:02 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-22-2023 08:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  To me, it's only marginally "huge" in relation to it potentially making people sit on juries. Not sure if there's a caveat in the new policy for that or not.

Simply putting your name on a roll is otherwise harmless. You don't have to do a damned thing. You don't have to fill out a form and you certainly don't have to vote. Plus you have the simple task of just marking a box when you get your DL to not be registered.

Again, Oh, the humanity.

Ok TJP. Let's go with "what is the big deal".

What assurances are you willing to require along with this that validate the voter is casting their own vote on their own behalf? Government Identification? Signature validation? Retinal scans? DNA? Duplication systems?


Seriously.... there are way too many dirtbags and system gamers out there to just drop your ballot in a mailbox and take their word for it, it's all good.


People are lazy and too busy. By automatically registering them you have instantly opened an avenue to have a vote cast on their behalf that they did not make and a convenient method to let it happen because "look, they are on the voter rolls" rubber stamp approved.

Also, who guarantees that people are properly purged once they die or move etc... Wasn't it your very own home state that had more than 100K on their rolls that no longer were eligible in to vote in the state (let alone the actual town they live in) - even if it wasn't your state, that was an actual fact in one state (and I am sure others as well).


If a person wants to vote for this stuff that badly, they should opt in. I am all for making the opt in process as simple as possible and giving them every reasonable opportunity to cast their vote.



The unintended consequences of automatic enrollment opens too many opportunities for even more voter fraud than is worth - at least not without some pretty solid guardrails and safeguards as noted. Too many people have lost faith in the process already, do you want to double down on that and especially without repairing any of that reputation damage first?

The systems are already in place to assure voters are casting votes only on their behalf.

In the 2020 presidential election, PA had 9 million registered voters. Turnout was 76.5%. There were already over 2 million people someone could have used to file a fake vote with. Adding more registered voters changes nothing.

People have lost faith in the process mostly because they're ignorant and listen to ego-driven narcissistic liars like trump rather then actually learning about the solid guardrails, safeguards, and procedures already in place.

I am so glad you have that much faith in the system.

Just for the record, do you consider Hillary a narcissistic liar? She thought the system was rigged and Trump stole the election too?

In fact almost everyone who loses an election these days go down the "stolen" path. Is every election loser a narcissistic liar now?


There are 2M people who registered and didn't vote, what's a few 100K more?

People do not register to vote for lots of reasons including THEY JUST DO NOT WANT TO. As I said before, if you really want to vote you will do what you need to do in order to accomplish that. Now you are almost forcing someone to unregister for something they did not even want in the first place.

But by all means enable those who are lazy and punish those who are responsible.



Not much different that some fat slob who has compromised themselves with out of control feeding habits demanding that I wear a mask to save them because they can't stop shoveling down the calories.

(09-22-2023 10:07 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Brought to you by the same political party that openly states time and time again on TV that "The border is secure", "The economy is doing great", etc., etc., etc.

I saw Democrats in DC on video yesterday saying "the border is not open".

(09-22-2023 10:05 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 09:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Do I really need to mention that merely being registered in no way means you will vote, or are required to do so? That seems to be lost on a few posters here.

If there was a way to ensure that a ballot cannot be used in your name (better security) then this wouldn’t be a major issue.

There ARE myriad ways currently to ensure this. But of course, nothing is foolproof or iron clad. Criminals are always going to criminal. That being said, the penalties for this are more than severe enough for the zero sum game of voter fraud that we find in low level amounts. Were there ever a large-scale attempt to cheat it would stick out like a sore thumb. Not to mention be exceedingly impossible to even pull off to begin with.

(09-22-2023 10:07 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-22-2023 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-22-2023 09:49 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Illegals will now be registered voters in PA upon getting their state sponsored driver's license or IDs.

This is a complete and total lie.

Quote:The Governor also knows that skeptics will fear the decision is somehow giving an advantage to Democrats.

“I think what it’s doing is giving our democracy an advantage,” said Shapiro. “We’re not checking your registration. We don’t care what your views are on issues.”

County election officials did express some concerns because when this system was rolled out years ago, it was possible that people who were not U.S. citizens, but here legally, could get registered to vote.

County officials raised red flags, including at the time, Al Schmidt, who’s now Secretary of State and overseeing the state’s elections.

“It was an issue some years ago that was [b]corrected by the Pennsylvania Department of State,”[/b] Schmidt tells abc27. “Nothing about the changes today as significant as they are to improve voter access, enable non-citizens to register to vote.”

https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania-polit...ia-voters/

LOL.

Brought to you by the same political party that openly states time and time again on TV that "The border is secure", "The economy is doing great", etc., etc., etc.

Your lies about what you think political parties say don't change the facts here whatsoever.

PA will not just register you if you're not a US citizen.