F Ukraine and F Russia….

I don’t support my government taking my money to pay for BS here. Why would I support my government giving my money to another country. F Ukraine

F Russia for starting this BS and giving my grifting government a reason to send my money to another country.

I hope they all lose. Perhaps they’ll make the world a better place by killing each other off.

I doubt I’m the only American who feels this way.

BTW If you’re an American putting that Ukraine flag all over your social media accounts, you’re part of the problem.

(09-20-2023 05:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  F Ukraine and F Russia….

I don’t support my government taking my money to pay for BS here. Why would I support my government giving my money to another country. F Ukraine

F Russia for starting this BS and giving my grifting government a reason to send my money to another country.

I hope they all lose. Perhaps they’ll make the world a better place by killing each other off.

I doubt I’m the only American who feels this way.

BTW If you’re an American putting that Ukraine flag all over your social media accounts, you’re part of the problem.

Reeeeeeeeeee

Putin lover

(09-20-2023 06:23 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 05:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  F Ukraine and F Russia….

I don’t support my government taking my money to pay for BS here. Why would I support my government giving my money to another country. F Ukraine

F Russia for starting this BS and giving my grifting government a reason to send my money to another country.

I hope they all lose. Perhaps they’ll make the world a better place by killing each other off.

I doubt I’m the only American who feels this way.

BTW If you’re an American putting that Ukraine flag all over your social media accounts, you’re part of the problem.

Reeeeeeeeeee

Putin lover

Did you retire your alter ego?

(09-19-2023 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:59 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:03 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 10:43 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Good gosh all we need to do is condemn them?


On behalf of the United States of America and the United Nations I condemn Russia for Kidnapping Russian citizens and force them to fight Ukraine.

I CONDEMN YOU!!! There - that should bring that to an end.... Whew. Crisis avoided.



Oooh while I am at it, I will also condemn Iran for spending that $6B on anything but Humanitarian needs.


Wow this is easy - I did not realize a simple condemnation could stop all of this. I wonder if this works on Climate change too.....

So I take it you belong to the camp that sees no benefit to diplomatic pressure?

Diplomatic pressure by means of the gesture of condemning someone or something?

What does that actually accomplish? About as much as "standing for Ukraine" does --- Nothing.



These are world powers and leaders, not your parents telling you they are disappointed in you FFS.

Yet nations still jockey for position to get on committees where they vote on such "worthless things"... Kick China off the human rights council and watch their reaction. Why would they care anyways? UN condemns their treatment of Uighers is nothing, right? So why do they INSIST on NOT being tarred as abusing human rights. Curious about why China cares about such things though. Maybe Xi has daddy issues??? How do you explain it?

You cannot be this gullible....

Because it is political theatre..... All of it is window dressing to look like you give any F's.

Case in point.....

We just gave Iran $6B back with assurances that Iran would only spend that money on Human Rights causes etc.... Not even 24 hours after the deal was announced, their exulted leader said - we will spend our money however we want.....

So everyone will be Big-Mad that they are using that money in the exact opposite way they promised they would... but they got their money - didn't they.


I guess Iran has A BIG condemnation coming their way now. I sure hope they change their mind after that condemning...

(09-20-2023 07:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:59 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:03 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 10:43 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Good gosh all we need to do is condemn them?


On behalf of the United States of America and the United Nations I condemn Russia for Kidnapping Russian citizens and force them to fight Ukraine.

I CONDEMN YOU!!! There - that should bring that to an end.... Whew. Crisis avoided.



Oooh while I am at it, I will also condemn Iran for spending that $6B on anything but Humanitarian needs.


Wow this is easy - I did not realize a simple condemnation could stop all of this. I wonder if this works on Climate change too.....

So I take it you belong to the camp that sees no benefit to diplomatic pressure?

Diplomatic pressure by means of the gesture of condemning someone or something?

What does that actually accomplish? About as much as "standing for Ukraine" does --- Nothing.



These are world powers and leaders, not your parents telling you they are disappointed in you FFS.

Yet nations still jockey for position to get on committees where they vote on such "worthless things"... Kick China off the human rights council and watch their reaction. Why would they care anyways? UN condemns their treatment of Uighers is nothing, right? So why do they INSIST on NOT being tarred as abusing human rights. Curious about why China cares about such things though. Maybe Xi has daddy issues??? How do you explain it?

You cannot be this gullible....

Because it is political theatre..... All of it is window dressing to look like you give any F's.

Case in point.....

We just gave Iran $6B back with assurances that Iran would only spend that money on Human Rights causes etc.... Not even 24 hours after the deal was announced, their exulted leader said - we will spend our money however we want.....

So everyone will be Big-Mad that they are using that money in the exact opposite way they promised they would... but they got their money - didn't they.


I guess Iran has A BIG condemnation coming their way now. I sure hope they change their mind after that condemning...

No, your example is not the same. Chinese treatment of the Uihgers is one of the worst kept secrets out there. However OFFICIALLY, they aren't doing anything wrong and they are going out of their way to keep the charade going. If it's OFFICIALLY determined that China is running slave labor camps...then people will have to actually do something about it. Nike would have to acknowledge it and move out, etc, etc.

No matter the realities on the ground, the diplomatic view can either provide cover for those doing wrong - like China is doing with the slave labor - or force countries to act when information becomes official. While that "cover" is happening, apparel companies and Hollywood has cover to keep making money in China because there technically no issue because as of now - China does not invoke any slave labor in the making of products because they have been "blessed" by other countries and by the UN because "officially" slave camps don't exist in China.

Hell, the UN, China and Covid is another great example of why it matters. China used its political capital - and probably money - to keep the UN away from officially determining the true source of the virus. They were provided cover by the UN and thus all of that research to develop treatments and vaccines for Covid were retarded by China using the UN to obfuscate the true origins and thus pretending the data on the virus didn't exist. IF the UN would have called out China and OFFICIALLY proclaimed the virus started in a lab in Wuhan - then countries would have been forced to act appropriately and the policies in 2020 and 2021 would likely have been significantly different. Likely a guy like Fauci would not have been in charge considering he was one of the sources of the problem in the first place.

But I'm the naive one here....

(09-20-2023 07:47 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 07:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:59 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:03 PM)miko33 Wrote:  So I take it you belong to the camp that sees no benefit to diplomatic pressure?

Diplomatic pressure by means of the gesture of condemning someone or something?

What does that actually accomplish? About as much as "standing for Ukraine" does --- Nothing.



These are world powers and leaders, not your parents telling you they are disappointed in you FFS.

Yet nations still jockey for position to get on committees where they vote on such "worthless things"... Kick China off the human rights council and watch their reaction. Why would they care anyways? UN condemns their treatment of Uighers is nothing, right? So why do they INSIST on NOT being tarred as abusing human rights. Curious about why China cares about such things though. Maybe Xi has daddy issues??? How do you explain it?

You cannot be this gullible....

Because it is political theatre..... All of it is window dressing to look like you give any F's.

Case in point.....

We just gave Iran $6B back with assurances that Iran would only spend that money on Human Rights causes etc.... Not even 24 hours after the deal was announced, their exulted leader said - we will spend our money however we want.....

So everyone will be Big-Mad that they are using that money in the exact opposite way they promised they would... but they got their money - didn't they.


I guess Iran has A BIG condemnation coming their way now. I sure hope they change their mind after that condemning...

No, your example is not the same. Chinese treatment of the Uihgers is one of the worst kept secrets out there. However OFFICIALLY, they aren't doing anything wrong and they are going out of their way to keep the charade going. If it's OFFICIALLY determined that China is running slave labor camps...then people will have to actually do something about it. Nike would have to acknowledge it and move out, etc, etc.

No matter the realities on the ground, the diplomatic view can either provide cover for those doing wrong - like China is doing with the slave labor - or force countries to act when information becomes official. While that "cover" is happening, apparel companies and Hollywood has cover to keep making money in China because there technically no issue because as of now - China does not invoke any slave labor in the making of products because they have been "blessed" by other countries and by the UN because "officially" slave camps don't exist in China.

Hell, the UN, China and Covid is another great example of why it matters. China used its political capital - and probably money - to keep the UN away from officially determining the true source of the virus. They were provided cover by the UN and thus all of that research to develop treatments and vaccines for Covid were retarded by China using the UN to obfuscate the true origins and thus pretending the data on the virus didn't exist. IF the UN would have called out China and OFFICIALLY proclaimed the virus started in a lab in Wuhan - then countries would have been forced to act appropriately and the policies in 2020 and 2021 would likely have been significantly different. Likely a guy like Fauci would not have been in charge considering he was one of the sources of the problem in the first place.

But I'm the naive one here....

Well then - just publicly condemn them and lets see if anything changes.


I'll wait...

(09-20-2023 05:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  F Ukraine and F Russia….

I don’t support my government taking my money to pay for BS here. Why would I support my government giving my money to another country. F Ukraine

F Russia for starting this BS and giving my grifting government a reason to send my money to another country.

I hope they all lose. Perhaps they’ll make the world a better place by killing each other off.

I doubt I’m the only American who feels this way.

BTW If you’re an American putting that Ukraine flag all over your social media accounts, you’re part of the problem.

All
Day
Long

(09-20-2023 07:47 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 07:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:59 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:03 PM)miko33 Wrote:  So I take it you belong to the camp that sees no benefit to diplomatic pressure?

Diplomatic pressure by means of the gesture of condemning someone or something?

What does that actually accomplish? About as much as "standing for Ukraine" does --- Nothing.



These are world powers and leaders, not your parents telling you they are disappointed in you FFS.

Yet nations still jockey for position to get on committees where they vote on such "worthless things"... Kick China off the human rights council and watch their reaction. Why would they care anyways? UN condemns their treatment of Uighers is nothing, right? So why do they INSIST on NOT being tarred as abusing human rights. Curious about why China cares about such things though. Maybe Xi has daddy issues??? How do you explain it?

You cannot be this gullible....

Because it is political theatre..... All of it is window dressing to look like you give any F's.

Case in point.....

We just gave Iran $6B back with assurances that Iran would only spend that money on Human Rights causes etc.... Not even 24 hours after the deal was announced, their exulted leader said - we will spend our money however we want.....

So everyone will be Big-Mad that they are using that money in the exact opposite way they promised they would... but they got their money - didn't they.


I guess Iran has A BIG condemnation coming their way now. I sure hope they change their mind after that condemning...

No, your example is not the same. Chinese treatment of the Uihgers is one of the worst kept secrets out there. However OFFICIALLY, they aren't doing anything wrong and they are going out of their way to keep the charade going. If it's OFFICIALLY determined that China is running slave labor camps...then people will have to actually do something about it. Nike would have to acknowledge it and move out, etc, etc.

No matter the realities on the ground, the diplomatic view can either provide cover for those doing wrong - like China is doing with the slave labor - or force countries to act when information becomes official. While that "cover" is happening, apparel companies and Hollywood has cover to keep making money in China because there technically no issue because as of now - China does not invoke any slave labor in the making of products because they have been "blessed" by other countries and by the UN because "officially" slave camps don't exist in China.

Hell, the UN, China and Covid is another great example of why it matters. China used its political capital - and probably money - to keep the UN away from officially determining the true source of the virus. They were provided cover by the UN and thus all of that research to develop treatments and vaccines for Covid were retarded by China using the UN to obfuscate the true origins and thus pretending the data on the virus didn't exist. IF the UN would have called out China and OFFICIALLY proclaimed the virus started in a lab in Wuhan - then countries would have been forced to act appropriately and the policies in 2020 and 2021 would likely have been significantly different. Likely a guy like Fauci would not have been in charge considering he was one of the sources of the problem in the first place.

But I'm the naive one here....

Any who believes China doesn't have slaves camps or that the origination of COVID did not come from the Lab is Wuhan is the REALLY NAIVE one here.

Both are indisputable given the eyewitness accounts of too many to name. I actually had a Company head who we used to get imports tell me so. He said it as a matter a fact as I never even asked about their workers or their manufacturing process. It was said in response to be competitive in the current market. I stopped buying from him and China altogether after that conversation. But, make no mistake OUR GOVERNMENT and those with deep financial ties to CHINA example NBA are complicit in keeping this information under wraps. Its repulsive at best.

Americans for the most part are lazy and ignorant but there will come a time in the not so near future when this Government bankrupts out that they will learn cheap imports and Government hand outs will be a thing of the past.

(09-20-2023 08:38 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 07:47 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 07:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:59 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Diplomatic pressure by means of the gesture of condemning someone or something?

What does that actually accomplish? About as much as "standing for Ukraine" does --- Nothing.



These are world powers and leaders, not your parents telling you they are disappointed in you FFS.

Yet nations still jockey for position to get on committees where they vote on such "worthless things"... Kick China off the human rights council and watch their reaction. Why would they care anyways? UN condemns their treatment of Uighers is nothing, right? So why do they INSIST on NOT being tarred as abusing human rights. Curious about why China cares about such things though. Maybe Xi has daddy issues??? How do you explain it?

You cannot be this gullible....

Because it is political theatre..... All of it is window dressing to look like you give any F's.

Case in point.....

We just gave Iran $6B back with assurances that Iran would only spend that money on Human Rights causes etc.... Not even 24 hours after the deal was announced, their exulted leader said - we will spend our money however we want.....

So everyone will be Big-Mad that they are using that money in the exact opposite way they promised they would... but they got their money - didn't they.


I guess Iran has A BIG condemnation coming their way now. I sure hope they change their mind after that condemning...

No, your example is not the same. Chinese treatment of the Uihgers is one of the worst kept secrets out there. However OFFICIALLY, they aren't doing anything wrong and they are going out of their way to keep the charade going. If it's OFFICIALLY determined that China is running slave labor camps...then people will have to actually do something about it. Nike would have to acknowledge it and move out, etc, etc.

No matter the realities on the ground, the diplomatic view can either provide cover for those doing wrong - like China is doing with the slave labor - or force countries to act when information becomes official. While that "cover" is happening, apparel companies and Hollywood has cover to keep making money in China because there technically no issue because as of now - China does not invoke any slave labor in the making of products because they have been "blessed" by other countries and by the UN because "officially" slave camps don't exist in China.

Hell, the UN, China and Covid is another great example of why it matters. China used its political capital - and probably money - to keep the UN away from officially determining the true source of the virus. They were provided cover by the UN and thus all of that research to develop treatments and vaccines for Covid were retarded by China using the UN to obfuscate the true origins and thus pretending the data on the virus didn't exist. IF the UN would have called out China and OFFICIALLY proclaimed the virus started in a lab in Wuhan - then countries would have been forced to act appropriately and the policies in 2020 and 2021 would likely have been significantly different. Likely a guy like Fauci would not have been in charge considering he was one of the sources of the problem in the first place.

But I'm the naive one here....

Any who believes China doesn't have slaves camps or that the origination of COVID did not come from the Lab is Wuhan is the REALLY NAIVE one here.

Both are indisputable given the eyewitness accounts of too many to name. I actually had a Company head who we used to get imports tell me so. He said it as a matter a fact as I never even asked about their workers or their manufacturing process. It was said in response to be competitive in the current market. I stopped buying from him and China altogether after that conversation. But, make no mistake OUR GOVERNMENT and those with deep financial ties to CHINA example NBA are complicit in keeping this information under wraps. Its repulsive at best.

Americans for the most part are lazy and ignorant but there will come a time in the not so near future when this Government bankrupts out that they will learn cheap imports and Government hand outs will be a thing of the past.

Not even so sure most American's are lazy and ignorant - we know what's going on. A lot don't but a lot do. Despite these being the worst kept secrets...everyone still wants the cover from other governments and the UN. Once they speak out, then people will have to act. Even the Dems can't operate as is if slave labor becomes officially recognized else all of the work done to keep black people with the Dems goes up in smoke.

Everyone knows what's going on - it's just not been publicly acknowledged OFFICIALLY so that people benefiting from it continue to maintain their cover.

(09-20-2023 09:27 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 08:38 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 07:47 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 07:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Yet nations still jockey for position to get on committees where they vote on such "worthless things"... Kick China off the human rights council and watch their reaction. Why would they care anyways? UN condemns their treatment of Uighers is nothing, right? So why do they INSIST on NOT being tarred as abusing human rights. Curious about why China cares about such things though. Maybe Xi has daddy issues??? How do you explain it?

You cannot be this gullible....

Because it is political theatre..... All of it is window dressing to look like you give any F's.

Case in point.....

We just gave Iran $6B back with assurances that Iran would only spend that money on Human Rights causes etc.... Not even 24 hours after the deal was announced, their exulted leader said - we will spend our money however we want.....

So everyone will be Big-Mad that they are using that money in the exact opposite way they promised they would... but they got their money - didn't they.


I guess Iran has A BIG condemnation coming their way now. I sure hope they change their mind after that condemning...

No, your example is not the same. Chinese treatment of the Uihgers is one of the worst kept secrets out there. However OFFICIALLY, they aren't doing anything wrong and they are going out of their way to keep the charade going. If it's OFFICIALLY determined that China is running slave labor camps...then people will have to actually do something about it. Nike would have to acknowledge it and move out, etc, etc.

No matter the realities on the ground, the diplomatic view can either provide cover for those doing wrong - like China is doing with the slave labor - or force countries to act when information becomes official. While that "cover" is happening, apparel companies and Hollywood has cover to keep making money in China because there technically no issue because as of now - China does not invoke any slave labor in the making of products because they have been "blessed" by other countries and by the UN because "officially" slave camps don't exist in China.

Hell, the UN, China and Covid is another great example of why it matters. China used its political capital - and probably money - to keep the UN away from officially determining the true source of the virus. They were provided cover by the UN and thus all of that research to develop treatments and vaccines for Covid were retarded by China using the UN to obfuscate the true origins and thus pretending the data on the virus didn't exist. IF the UN would have called out China and OFFICIALLY proclaimed the virus started in a lab in Wuhan - then countries would have been forced to act appropriately and the policies in 2020 and 2021 would likely have been significantly different. Likely a guy like Fauci would not have been in charge considering he was one of the sources of the problem in the first place.

But I'm the naive one here....

Any who believes China doesn't have slaves camps or that the origination of COVID did not come from the Lab is Wuhan is the REALLY NAIVE one here.

Both are indisputable given the eyewitness accounts of too many to name. I actually had a Company head who we used to get imports tell me so. He said it as a matter a fact as I never even asked about their workers or their manufacturing process. It was said in response to be competitive in the current market. I stopped buying from him and China altogether after that conversation. But, make no mistake OUR GOVERNMENT and those with deep financial ties to CHINA example NBA are complicit in keeping this information under wraps. Its repulsive at best.

Americans for the most part are lazy and ignorant but there will come a time in the not so near future when this Government bankrupts out that they will learn cheap imports and Government hand outs will be a thing of the past.

Not even so sure most American's are lazy and ignorant - we know what's going on. A lot don't but a lot do. Despite these being the worst kept secrets...everyone still wants the cover from other governments and the UN. Once they speak out, then people will have to act. Even the Dems can't operate as is if slave labor becomes officially recognized else all of the work done to keep black people with the Dems goes up in smoke.

Everyone knows what's going on - it's just not been publicly acknowledged OFFICIALLY so that people benefiting from it continue to maintain their cover.

And turning a blind eye

Reality 101