(09-19-2023 04:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:36 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 03:21 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Marxism means the state owns the means of production. That is not what the rank and file democrats want but go on keep lying to yourself and this board.

...and like Hardy used to tell Laurel all the time, "and what a mess you've gotten me into".

That's precisely what the Demonics are doing and some people don't even realize it. They've taken over the oil industry, the "green" industry, the agricultural industry, and etc, and etc. Can't leave out the medical industry, can you say Covid and its aftermath.

Go back to your coop chicken little. So Dems run all the corporations now?

Look at the politics of fortune 500 companies. Can you tell me how many are run by republicans? I can give you plenty that are run by dems. There's Elon Musk on the right and that's about it. And is a man that supports universal healthcare and universal basic income someone that can be really considered a hard example of the right?

There is a reason why the 10 richest zip codes are all heavy dem. There is a reason all the leaders of all the major companies are dem.

You are 100% correct here, but he's way too dim to realize it.

But yet CEOs contribute to Republican candidates 58%, Democrat 18% and neutral 24%. Per Harvard law school research.

Try again chickie.

That's just a prog filth lie.

(09-19-2023 04:36 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 03:21 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Marxism means the state owns the means of production. That is not what the rank and file democrats want but go on keep lying to yourself and this board.

...and like Hardy used to tell Laurel all the time, "and what a mess you've gotten me into".

That's precisely what the Demonics are doing and some people don't even realize it. They've taken over the oil industry, the "green" industry, the agricultural industry, and etc, and etc. Can't leave out the medical industry, can you say Covid and its aftermath.

Go back to your coop chicken little. So Dems run all the corporations now?

Look at the politics of fortune 500 companies. Can you tell me how many are run by republicans? I can give you plenty that are run by dems. There's Elon Musk on the right and that's about it. And is a man that supports universal healthcare and universal basic income someone that can be really considered a hard example of the right?

There is a reason why the 10 richest zip codes are all heavy dem. There is a reason all the leaders of all the major companies are dem.

Please give me a list. You mad Dems are better at earning money? In those 10 richest zip codes are all residents CEOs? I live in the second richest county in the county. I am not a CEO. Most people I know are not CEOs.

(09-19-2023 05:12 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  That's just a prog filth lie.

Says the dude who can’t back up his feelings with facts.

Most people you know probably don't like you well enough to tell you what they do for a living.

(09-19-2023 05:17 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Most people you know probably don't like you well enough to tell you what they do for a living.

Cant debate like an adult can you?

(09-19-2023 05:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 05:12 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  That's just a prog filth lie.

Says the dude who can’t back up his feelings with facts.

You and taint and Tom just don't get it. I don't have to back up chit. There are no prizes here for being right. There are no demerits here for being wrong. There's just people like y'all that are so full of themselves they don't get that.

(09-19-2023 05:20 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 05:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 05:12 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  That's just a prog filth lie.

Says the dude who can’t back up his feelings with facts.

You and taint and Tom just don't get it. I don't have to back up chit. There are no prizes here for being right. There are no demerits here for being wrong. There's just people like y'all that are so full of themselves they don't get that.

No one said there are prizes or demerits? Do you honestly think that you don’t come across as pompous arrogant jack wad when you come to a board to discuss politics when all you do is say wrong wrong wrong but never offer any data or evidence to back it up. You are a man on the street interviewer’s wet dream.

(09-19-2023 05:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:36 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 03:21 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Marxism means the state owns the means of production. That is not what the rank and file democrats want but go on keep lying to yourself and this board.

...and like Hardy used to tell Laurel all the time, "and what a mess you've gotten me into".

That's precisely what the Demonics are doing and some people don't even realize it. They've taken over the oil industry, the "green" industry, the agricultural industry, and etc, and etc. Can't leave out the medical industry, can you say Covid and its aftermath.

Go back to your coop chicken little. So Dems run all the corporations now?

Look at the politics of fortune 500 companies. Can you tell me how many are run by republicans? I can give you plenty that are run by dems. There's Elon Musk on the right and that's about it. And is a man that supports universal healthcare and universal basic income someone that can be really considered a hard example of the right?

There is a reason why the 10 richest zip codes are all heavy dem. There is a reason all the leaders of all the major companies are dem.

You are 100% correct here, but he's way too dim to realize it.

But yet CEOs contribute to Republican candidates 58%, Democrat 18% and neutral 24%. Per Harvard law school research.

Try again chickie.

You didn't post a source. So I will
https://www.statista.com/statistics/9958...companies/
Most companies donate far more to dems than to republicans. Especially tech companies which donate overwhelmingly to dems.

I could find support showing what you claim, but only from decades ago. The more recent you go the heavier the dem funding by America's largest companies become.

Unfortunately there is no complete data after 2017 that compiles all companies.
You can get data from individual companies though. Like Apple which is the worlds largest corporation, every year they have been getting more and more liberal. 2022 the Word's richest corporation gave over 90% to the left.

But, I'll go through the top 5
1 Apple- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/apple-i...cycle=2022
2 Amazon- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/amazon-...D000023883
3 Microsoft- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microso...d000000115
4 Berkshire Hathaway https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/berkshi...D000021757
5 Alphabet- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/alphabe...d000067823

Only Berkshire Hathaway is close to 50/50. All the others spend far more on dems than republicans.

Once again the recent data matters more than something from decades ago. And it shows your party is mostly supported by transnational mega corporations.

As for the Zip code thing. I can promise you that the people in a zip code where the average house is over $5,000,000 which equates to a mortgage per month of over $30,000. Is not a small business owner. You need to be making about a million a year to be affording something like that. Usually more with all the money those zip codes donate to dems.

I actually out of morbid curiosity when through about the top 50 companies in the world. It's so overwhelmingly dem on the donations. It only gets worse for dem. arguments where they try to claim they aren't the party of the mega corporation. They clearly are.

(09-19-2023 05:43 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 05:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:36 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 03:21 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Go back to your coop chicken little. So Dems run all the corporations now? :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Look at the politics of fortune 500 companies. Can you tell me how many are run by republicans? I can give you plenty that are run by dems. There's Elon Musk on the right and that's about it. And is a man that supports universal healthcare and universal basic income someone that can be really considered a hard example of the right?

There is a reason why the 10 richest zip codes are all heavy dem. There is a reason all the leaders of all the major companies are dem.

You are 100% correct here, but he's way too dim to realize it.

But yet CEOs contribute to Republican candidates 58%, Democrat 18% and neutral 24%. Per Harvard law school research.

Try again chickie.

You didn't post a source. So I will
https://www.statista.com/statistics/9958...companies/
Most companies donate far more to dems than to republicans. Especially tech companies which donate overwhelmingly to dems.

I could find support showing what you claim, but only from decades ago. The more recent you go the heavier the dem funding by America's largest companies become.

Unfortunately there is no complete data after 2017 that compiles all companies.
You can get data from individual companies though. Like Apple which is the worlds largest corporation, every year they have been getting more and more liberal. 2022 the Word's richest corporation gave over 90% to the left.

But, I'll go through the top 5
1 Apple- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/apple-i...cycle=2022
2 Amazon- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/amazon-...D000023883
3 Microsoft- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microso...d000000115
4 Berkshire Hathaway https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/berkshi...D000021757
5 Alphabet- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/alphabe...d000067823

Only Berkshire Hathaway is close to 50/50. All the others spend far more on dems than republicans.

Once again the recent data matters more than something from decades ago. And it shows your party is mostly supported by transnational mega corporations.

As for the Zip code thing. I can promise you that the people in a zip code where the average house is over $5,000,000 which equates to a mortgage per month of over $30,000. Is not a small business owner. You need to be making about a million a year to be affording something like that. Usually more with all the money those zip codes donate to dems.

Nearly 70% of America’s top executives are affiliated with the Republican Party and 30% with the Democrats.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2...-as-whole/

The numbers I shared earlier where from what CEOs donate and not the companies as a whole. But come on now who control the companies purse strings

Full paper here:
https://www.nber.org/system/files/workin...w25815.pdf

Good synopsis here:
https://www.spglobal.com/marketintellige...WZhvSWTFw2

Quote:By industry, CEOs' Republican leanings were more pronounced in the energy, manufacturing and chemicals sectors than in the utilities, telecommunications, business equipment and financial sectors. For the energy industry, 88.7% of CEOs favored Republicans while only 4.9% favored Democrats, resulting in a Republicans/Democrats ratio of 18:1. Two other industries with ratios exceeding 5 were manufacturing and chemicals. Only two industries — business equipment and telecommunications — had a Republicans/Democrats ratio below 2. In those two industries, however, Republican-leaning CEOs still outnumbered Democrat-leaning CEOs significantly.

Focusing on tech companies on open secrets is cherry picking because they may be larger companies but they did not donate nearly as much as the top donor companies. Per the web page you shared they ranked 269th in contributions. The top 51 just about a 50/50 split but who what’s got time to go and crunch all the numbers for a more through analysis.

43rd - Alphabet
78th - Microsoft
119th - Amazon
177th - Berkshire Hathaway
269th - Apple

So open secrets data is essentially a wash right now.

I could be wrong but I think tech companies are going to lean left since they tend to have younger employees and execs. Where as the execs in energy, manufacturing and chemicals sectors are going to be older.

I looked further into the 1% giving and it hard to find reliable data but again it looks like a wash.

(09-19-2023 09:06 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 05:43 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 05:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:36 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Look at the politics of fortune 500 companies. Can you tell me how many are run by republicans? I can give you plenty that are run by dems. There's Elon Musk on the right and that's about it. And is a man that supports universal healthcare and universal basic income someone that can be really considered a hard example of the right?

There is a reason why the 10 richest zip codes are all heavy dem. There is a reason all the leaders of all the major companies are dem.

You are 100% correct here, but he's way too dim to realize it.

But yet CEOs contribute to Republican candidates 58%, Democrat 18% and neutral 24%. Per Harvard law school research.

Try again chickie.

You didn't post a source. So I will
https://www.statista.com/statistics/9958...companies/
Most companies donate far more to dems than to republicans. Especially tech companies which donate overwhelmingly to dems.

I could find support showing what you claim, but only from decades ago. The more recent you go the heavier the dem funding by America's largest companies become.

Unfortunately there is no complete data after 2017 that compiles all companies.
You can get data from individual companies though. Like Apple which is the worlds largest corporation, every year they have been getting more and more liberal. 2022 the Word's richest corporation gave over 90% to the left.

But, I'll go through the top 5
1 Apple- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/apple-i...cycle=2022
2 Amazon- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/amazon-...D000023883
3 Microsoft- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microso...d000000115
4 Berkshire Hathaway https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/berkshi...D000021757
5 Alphabet- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/alphabe...d000067823

Only Berkshire Hathaway is close to 50/50. All the others spend far more on dems than republicans.

Once again the recent data matters more than something from decades ago. And it shows your party is mostly supported by transnational mega corporations.

As for the Zip code thing. I can promise you that the people in a zip code where the average house is over $5,000,000 which equates to a mortgage per month of over $30,000. Is not a small business owner. You need to be making about a million a year to be affording something like that. Usually more with all the money those zip codes donate to dems.

Nearly 70% of America’s top executives are affiliated with the Republican Party and 30% with the Democrats.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2...-as-whole/

The numbers I shared earlier where from what CEOs donate and not the companies as a whole. But come on now who control the companies purse strings

Full paper here:
https://www.nber.org/system/files/workin...w25815.pdf

Good synopsis here:
https://www.spglobal.com/marketintellige...WZhvSWTFw2

Quote:By industry, CEOs' Republican leanings were more pronounced in the energy, manufacturing and chemicals sectors than in the utilities, telecommunications, business equipment and financial sectors. For the energy industry, 88.7% of CEOs favored Republicans while only 4.9% favored Democrats, resulting in a Republicans/Democrats ratio of 18:1. Two other industries with ratios exceeding 5 were manufacturing and chemicals. Only two industries — business equipment and telecommunications — had a Republicans/Democrats ratio below 2. In those two industries, however, Republican-leaning CEOs still outnumbered Democrat-leaning CEOs significantly.

Focusing on tech companies on open secrets is cherry picking because they may be larger companies but they did not donate nearly as much as the top donor companies. Per the web page you shared they ranked 269th in contributions. The top 51 just about a 50/50 split but who what’s got time to go and crunch all the numbers for a more through analysis.

43rd - Alphabet
78th - Microsoft
119th - Amazon
177th - Berkshire Hathaway
269th - Apple

So open secrets data is essentially a wash right now.

I could be wrong but I think tech companies are going to lean left since they tend to have younger employees and execs. Where as the execs in energy, manufacturing and chemicals sectors are going to be older.

I looked further into the 1% giving and it hard to find reliable data but again it looks like a wash.

That paper has a few issues with it. The biggest being their data set starts in the year 2000 Which is one of the reasons I posted from open secrets. It is using data from 2022. Not from over two decades ago. I have other issues with it as well such as their rating of whether a PAC is dem or republican being very suspect since they don't provide their methodology on it. But, I also don't have a full work week to go through the entire paper minutely. Either way I think using the most recent data available is the most accurate so 2022 data it will be.

It's also not cherry picking to just take the largest companies and go down the list. The reason that those companies are lower is not because other companies donate more (generally) it's because the higher numbers are generally political organizations or private fund managements not companies. Using entities that are not companies is outside of the realm of this argument whether companies are left leaning or not.

For example the number 1 largest donor to political causes is the Soros fund management. Which outspends the the bottom 20,000 entities combined having spent of $179 million. And of course which donates 100% to dems. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/soros-f...D000000306

Also, that nor anything in the top 10 which is all they show without specifically knowing what entity is #11 and so on are not companies. They are funds. Which doesn't answer what direction politically companies are leaning. For example the Republican and democratic national funds are also in the top 10. Doesn't really mean much for our debate.

I also have gone through the top about 100 companies. It really doesn't matter if you remove tech companies. The overwhelming number of them give far more to dems than to conservatives. In 2022. Once again not talking about 2000 to 2017 dataset which is before companies starting increasingly becoming left leaning.

You can also go down the list of fortune 500 companies just googling whether their CEO is a republican or democrat. Most that have spoken on it are outspoken democrats.

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Back to the original thread topic...

(09-19-2023 11:08 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 09:06 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 05:43 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 05:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You are 100% correct here, but he's way too dim to realize it.

But yet CEOs contribute to Republican candidates 58%, Democrat 18% and neutral 24%. Per Harvard law school research.

Try again chickie.

You didn't post a source. So I will
https://www.statista.com/statistics/9958...companies/
Most companies donate far more to dems than to republicans. Especially tech companies which donate overwhelmingly to dems.

I could find support showing what you claim, but only from decades ago. The more recent you go the heavier the dem funding by America's largest companies become.

Unfortunately there is no complete data after 2017 that compiles all companies.
You can get data from individual companies though. Like Apple which is the worlds largest corporation, every year they have been getting more and more liberal. 2022 the Word's richest corporation gave over 90% to the left.

But, I'll go through the top 5
1 Apple- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/apple-i...cycle=2022
2 Amazon- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/amazon-...D000023883
3 Microsoft- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microso...d000000115
4 Berkshire Hathaway https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/berkshi...D000021757
5 Alphabet- https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/alphabe...d000067823

Only Berkshire Hathaway is close to 50/50. All the others spend far more on dems than republicans.

Once again the recent data matters more than something from decades ago. And it shows your party is mostly supported by transnational mega corporations.

As for the Zip code thing. I can promise you that the people in a zip code where the average house is over $5,000,000 which equates to a mortgage per month of over $30,000. Is not a small business owner. You need to be making about a million a year to be affording something like that. Usually more with all the money those zip codes donate to dems.

Nearly 70% of America’s top executives are affiliated with the Republican Party and 30% with the Democrats.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2...-as-whole/

The numbers I shared earlier where from what CEOs donate and not the companies as a whole. But come on now who control the companies purse strings

Full paper here:
https://www.nber.org/system/files/workin...w25815.pdf

Good synopsis here:
https://www.spglobal.com/marketintellige...WZhvSWTFw2

Quote:By industry, CEOs' Republican leanings were more pronounced in the energy, manufacturing and chemicals sectors than in the utilities, telecommunications, business equipment and financial sectors. For the energy industry, 88.7% of CEOs favored Republicans while only 4.9% favored Democrats, resulting in a Republicans/Democrats ratio of 18:1. Two other industries with ratios exceeding 5 were manufacturing and chemicals. Only two industries — business equipment and telecommunications — had a Republicans/Democrats ratio below 2. In those two industries, however, Republican-leaning CEOs still outnumbered Democrat-leaning CEOs significantly.

Focusing on tech companies on open secrets is cherry picking because they may be larger companies but they did not donate nearly as much as the top donor companies. Per the web page you shared they ranked 269th in contributions. The top 51 just about a 50/50 split but who what’s got time to go and crunch all the numbers for a more through analysis.

43rd - Alphabet
78th - Microsoft
119th - Amazon
177th - Berkshire Hathaway
269th - Apple

So open secrets data is essentially a wash right now.

I could be wrong but I think tech companies are going to lean left since they tend to have younger employees and execs. Where as the execs in energy, manufacturing and chemicals sectors are going to be older.

I looked further into the 1% giving and it hard to find reliable data but again it looks like a wash.

That paper has a few issues with it. The biggest being their data set starts in the year 2000 Which is one of the reasons I posted from open secrets. It is using data from 2022. Not from over two decades ago. I have other issues with it as well such as their rating of whether a PAC is dem or republican being very suspect since they don't provide their methodology on it. But, I also don't have a full work week to go through the entire paper minutely. Either way I think using the most recent data available is the most accurate so 2022 data it will be.

It's also not cherry picking to just take the largest companies and go down the list. The reason that those companies are lower is not because other companies donate more (generally) it's because the higher numbers are generally political organizations or private fund managements not companies. Using entities that are not companies is outside of the realm of this argument whether companies are left leaning or not.

For example the number 1 largest donor to political causes is the Soros fund management. Which outspends the the bottom 20,000 entities combined having spent of $179 million. And of course which donates 100% to dems. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/soros-f...D000000306

Also, that nor anything in the top 10 which is all they show without specifically knowing what entity is #11 and so on are not companies. They are funds. Which doesn't answer what direction politically companies are leaning. For example the Republican and democratic national funds are also in the top 10. Doesn't really mean much for our debate.

I also have gone through the top about 100 companies. It really doesn't matter if you remove tech companies. The overwhelming number of them give far more to dems than to conservatives. In 2022. Once again not talking about 2000 to 2017 dataset which is before companies starting increasingly becoming left leaning.

You can also go down the list of fortune 500 companies just googling whether their CEO is a republican or democrat. Most that have spoken on it are outspoken democrats.

Most recent data does not mean best data. You are cherry picking again. Looking at 2022 data can only tell you you what happened in that year not what happened over the course over of 17 years . So yeah both have there pros and cons.

Have you looked at why corporate donations have slid towards Dems over the last decade? Republican social policy. It started before Trump but increase with him. So keep being that party are see what happens.

(09-19-2023 05:25 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  No one said there are prizes or demerits? Do you honestly think that you don’t come across as pompous arrogant jack wad when you come to a board to discuss politics when all you do is say wrong wrong wrong but never offer any data or evidence to back it up. You are a man on the street interviewer’s wet dream.

And?

(09-20-2023 01:20 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Most recent data does not mean best data. You are cherry picking again. Looking at 2022 data can only tell you you what happened in that year not what happened over the course over of 17 years . So yeah both have there pros and cons.

Have you looked at why corporate donations have slid towards Dems over the last decade? Republican social policy. It started before Trump but increase with him. So keep being that party are see what happens.

It's not cherry picking for me to say corporations are leftist. And then use data from the most recent year to support my point. I did not say corporations were leftist in the past.

As for social policy lol. There isn't a far right social policy Trump supports. Building a wall is the closest you could get and that's something many, many dems have gone on record supporting. Till they realized it was getting them new voters to let them in. I mean Biden said we didn't need the border wall because we could just stop them other ways. Of course none of that has happened and there are more people poring in than ever before.

This whole argument is like me in 1946 saying Germany has a weak military. Then you coming back with, well if you look at the past 20 years before this they have the world's strongest.