(09-17-2023 08:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  2. Troy - Gunnar Watson is good but streaky and ultimately will hold a solid Troy team back to what he can do.

Pretty much spot on. A new OC would be a big help, too.

(09-18-2023 07:31 AM)TrojansOneandAll Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 08:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  2. Troy - Gunnar Watson is good but streaky and ultimately will hold a solid Troy team back to what he can do.

Pretty much spot on. A new OC would be a big help, too.

why is Gunnar holding Troy back after a close loss against a very good JMU Team?

Our defense had a lot to do with what happened Saturday and causing some plays. But he still made a lot of good throws and looked a decent QB to me. We've seen MUCH worse.

We tend to do this to non-mobile QB's as i mentioned on our board before the game. if you look at our history over the 6-7 years, statue QB's get hit often and are erratic because of our constant pressure.

the only QB who has beaten that trend was GS's last year. But he did that with snap and quick throw plays. Very rarely did he hold the ball for more than a second or two so we did not have time to get to him. it's why GS is a bad matchup for us and might give us trouble again this year.

75% of UVa's passing yards the week before were from Colandrea breaking containment and making plays out of the pocket. That's not Gunnar's game. But that doesn't mean he's a terrible qB. Just means he's not a great matchup against us.

(09-18-2023 08:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 07:31 AM)TrojansOneandAll Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 08:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  2. Troy - Gunnar Watson is good but streaky and ultimately will hold a solid Troy team back to what he can do.

Pretty much spot on. A new OC would be a big help, too.

why is Gunnar holding Troy back after a close loss against a very good JMU Team?

Our defense had a lot to do with what happened Saturday and causing some plays. But he still made a lot of good throws and looked a decent QB to me. We've seen MUCH worse.

We tend to do this to non-mobile QB's as i mentioned on our board before the game. if you look at our history over the 6-7 years, statue QB's get hit often and are erratic because of our constant pressure.

the only QB who has beaten that trend was GS's last year. But he did that with snap and quick throw plays. Very rarely did he hold the ball for more than a second or two so we did not have time to get to him. it's why GS is a bad matchup for us and might give us trouble again this year.

75% of UVa's passing yards the week before were from Colandrea breaking containment and making plays out of the pocket. That's not Gunnar's game. But that doesn't mean he's a terrible qB. Just means he's not a great matchup against us.

Yeah I agree, he hung in there and made some great throws while getting smoked several times. That's what a good QB does, only a really great QB or a mobile QB is going to go above and beyond that.

Really looking forward to seeing how the GS game goes. Our big mistake there, imo, was getting in to a shootout with them with quick scores of our own. You've gotta take what the defense gives you of course, but I think we would've been fine if we had tried to grind out more of a long drive running game to let our front 7 stay fresh. Instead we scored quick too and then KVT actually did have a ton of time later in the game. They didn't have to keep on depending on the quick throws.

This year I don't know if we even have as much ability to make that mistake with Centeio and Thornton gone.

(09-17-2023 02:50 AM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Marshall
GS
JMU
CCU
App

TXST

UL

The rest

Get outta here with that. lol

USA
TROY
APP
MARSHALL
JMU

Jmho.

(09-17-2023 12:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 08:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  1. JMU - Stifling defense and a mobile QB, same recipe as almost every other year
1. Marshall - Stifling defense with a questionable offense. Need to beat Virginia Tech, and in my opinion, convincingly. They aren't a good team.
1. App State - Aguilar will now be known as Joe Cool. To go from a pick 6 and starting 10/21 to finishing 17/29 with four total touchdowns against that ECU defense? Good stuff. Defense held ECU to 42 2nd half yards while the offense gained 252.
1. South Alabama - Typical South Alabama out of conference P5 win. Big timing it.
1. Louisiana - QB brings them up a tier. They got their swag back last night and reminded me a lot of the Napier led teams with Levi Lewis, which makes me wonder if Louisiana was more a product of Lewis or Napier?
1. Coastal - Still has the best QB in the Sun Belt and one of the best in College Football. Obvious that they are in an adjustment period but they will be in a lot of close games

2. Georgia State - Elliot may have struck gold with getting App State castaway Iron Mike. Elliot and Mike are like complimentary chess pieces
2. Texas State - GJ Kinne and Finley
2. Troy - Gunnar Watson is good but streaky and ultimately will hold a solid Troy team back to what he can do.
2. ODU - Much improved over a year ago, overall
2. Georgia Southern - Brin?

3. ULM - Gotta prove it but close to 2nd tier
3. USM - No QB still, can't run the ball because they don't have a threat to pass
3. Arkansas State - Bad team

There are obviously tiers in this conference where almost anyone could beat anyone.

3.

I mean stifling D and can pound the rock with the best RB in conference....and were bad?

It might not look like Georgia Southern who will throw for 500 yards a game, but we can be the bullies on the SBC block.

Virginia Tech isn't a good team.

And ECU players said Noel is the best running back they've faced, and that includes Corum and Ali.

(09-18-2023 08:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 07:31 AM)TrojansOneandAll Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 08:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  2. Troy - Gunnar Watson is good but streaky and ultimately will hold a solid Troy team back to what he can do.

Pretty much spot on. A new OC would be a big help, too.

why is Gunnar holding Troy back after a close loss against a very good JMU Team?

Our defense had a lot to do with what happened Saturday and causing some plays. But he still made a lot of good throws and looked a decent QB to me. We've seen MUCH worse.

We tend to do this to non-mobile QB's as i mentioned on our board before the game. if you look at our history over the 6-7 years, statue QB's get hit often and are erratic because of our constant pressure.

the only QB who has beaten that trend was GS's last year. But he did that with snap and quick throw plays. Very rarely did he hold the ball for more than a second or two so we did not have time to get to him. it's why GS is a bad matchup for us and might give us trouble again this year.

75% of UVa's passing yards the week before were from Colandrea breaking containment and making plays out of the pocket. That's not Gunnar's game. But that doesn't mean he's a terrible qB. Just means he's not a great matchup against us.

If you've only watched one Troy game then I'd expect you to ask this question.

(09-18-2023 08:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 07:31 AM)TrojansOneandAll Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 08:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  2. Troy - Gunnar Watson is good but streaky and ultimately will hold a solid Troy team back to what he can do.

Pretty much spot on. A new OC would be a big help, too.

why is Gunnar holding Troy back after a close loss against a very good JMU Team?

Our defense had a lot to do with what happened Saturday and causing some plays. But he still made a lot of good throws and looked a decent QB to me. We've seen MUCH worse.

We tend to do this to non-mobile QB's as i mentioned on our board before the game. if you look at our history over the 6-7 years, statue QB's get hit often and are erratic because of our constant pressure.

the only QB who has beaten that trend was GS's last year. But he did that with snap and quick throw plays. Very rarely did he hold the ball for more than a second or two so we did not have time to get to him. it's why GS is a bad matchup for us and might give us trouble again this year.

75% of UVa's passing yards the week before were from Colandrea breaking containment and making plays out of the pocket. That's not Gunnar's game. But that doesn't mean he's a terrible qB. Just means he's not a great matchup against us.

I think Gunnar just doesn't do well under pressure. When he has time to analyze and set his feet he can make some great throws.

1. JMU
2. South Alabama
3. Marshall
4. App State
5. Coastal
6. Ga State
7. Troy
8. Texas State
9. Old Dominion
10. Ga Southern
11. Louisiana
12. UL Monroe
13. USM
14. Arkansas St.

1. App
2. USA
3. JMU
4. Troy
5. Marshall
6. Texas State
7. Coastal
8. Georgia Southern
9. Southern Miss
10. ULM
11.ODU
12. UL
13. Georgia State
14. StAte

(09-18-2023 02:39 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 08:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 07:31 AM)TrojansOneandAll Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 08:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  2. Troy - Gunnar Watson is good but streaky and ultimately will hold a solid Troy team back to what he can do.

Pretty much spot on. A new OC would be a big help, too.

why is Gunnar holding Troy back after a close loss against a very good JMU Team?

Our defense had a lot to do with what happened Saturday and causing some plays. But he still made a lot of good throws and looked a decent QB to me. We've seen MUCH worse.

We tend to do this to non-mobile QB's as i mentioned on our board before the game. if you look at our history over the 6-7 years, statue QB's get hit often and are erratic because of our constant pressure.

the only QB who has beaten that trend was GS's last year. But he did that with snap and quick throw plays. Very rarely did he hold the ball for more than a second or two so we did not have time to get to him. it's why GS is a bad matchup for us and might give us trouble again this year.

75% of UVa's passing yards the week before were from Colandrea breaking containment and making plays out of the pocket. That's not Gunnar's game. But that doesn't mean he's a terrible qB. Just means he's not a great matchup against us.

If you've only watched one Troy game then I'd expect you to ask this question.

This.

1. James Madison - 1-0 in SBC after beating defending Champ on the road. (1)
2. Appalachian State - Curb stomped ECU. (2)
3. Texas State - Dropped 77 on the Prime-less JSU Tigers. (3)
4. Coastal Carolina - Destroyed a FCS team that I've never heard of. (4)
5. South Alabama - Took Oklahoma State out behind the woodshed. (11)
6. Georgia Southern - Wasn't up to Wisconsin. (5)
7. Marshall - Bye Week (6)
8. Louisiana - Stomped UAB. (13)
9. Louisiana Monroe - Army win looks better after they beat UTSA, but A&M stomped ULM this week. (7)
10. Old Dominion - Gave Wake Forest a game before fading late. (8)
11. Georgia State - Stomped Charlotte. (9)
12. Troy - Lost a close game to JMU. (10)
13. Southern Miss - Lost bt 18 at home to Tulane. (12)
14. Arkansas State - Stomped Stony Brook. Beat USM next week and they're out of the pit. (14)

Basically, I just bumped USA up to 5 and UL up to 8 and everyone else below #4 slid down one or two slots except stAte. I don't really think my Golden Eagles are this bad, but they'll have to prove it. Luckily, 7 of the teams above them are on the schedule, so they can prove it (or not) on the field.

(09-18-2023 09:09 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  1. James Madison - 1-0 in SBC after beating defending Champ on the road. (1)
2. Appalachian State - Curb stomped ECU. (2)
3. Texas State - Dropped 77 on the Prime-less JSU Tigers. (3)
4. Coastal Carolina - Destroyed a FCS team that I've never heard of. (4)
5. South Alabama - Took Oklahoma State out behind the woodshed. (11)
6. Georgia Southern - Wasn't up to Wisconsin. (5)
7. Marshall - Bye Week (6)
8. Louisiana - Stomped UAB. (13)
9. Louisiana Monroe - Army win looks better after they beat UTSA, but A&M stomped ULM this week. (7)
10. Old Dominion - Gave Wake Forest a game before fading late. (8)
11. Georgia State - Stomped Charlotte. (9)
12. Troy - Lost a close game to JMU. (10)
13. Southern Miss - Lost bt 18 at home to Tulane. (12)
14. Arkansas State - Stomped Stony Brook. Beat USM next week and they're out of the pit. (14)

Basically, I just bumped USA up to 5 and UL up to 8 and everyone else below #4 slid down one or two slots except stAte. I don't really think my Golden Eagles are this bad, but they'll have to prove it. Luckily, 7 of the teams above them are on the schedule, so they can prove it (or not) on the field.

Knocked out of field goal range by a penalty at the end of the game against your #1, and you have us 11 spots below them. Crazy.

We have to beat VT to earn any of those #1-2 rankings, and I also say we need a solid game vs a very average NCState to keep them.

Even if we do that, the toughest games will be in the 'belt. Our defense will have us in every game, just like last year. All going to come down to scoring for us and that's still a question mark. I'm inclined to agree with those that have us at #5-7, for now. We had the best record in the East last year at 5-1, but dumped the 2 west games against last year's champ and the previous year's champ. We're just not predictable enough to go to the top, yet, and we're right where we were after beating Notre Dame last year, without having beat Notre Dame this year, and, Notre Dame, ECU is not. We have no quality win to justify being at the top of a power rating.

(09-19-2023 03:53 AM)MUther Wrote:  We have to beat VT to earn any of those #1-2 rankings, and I also say we need a solid game vs a very average NCState to keep them.

Even if we do that, the toughest games will be in the 'belt. Our defense will have us in every game, just like last year. All going to come down to scoring for us and that's still a question mark. I'm inclined to agree with those that have us at #5-7, for now. We had the best record in the East last year at 5-1, but dumped the 2 west games against last year's champ and the previous year's champ. We're just not predictable enough to go to the top, yet, and we're right where we were after beating Notre Dame last year, without having beat Notre Dame this year, and, Notre Dame, ECU is not. We have no quality win to justify being at the top of a power rating.

I think you have to beat Virginia Tech by two scores, honestly. Hold their offense to 13 points or less and score at least 24. Would be my expectation.

If Marshall loses this will be a serious **** stain on the Sun Belt's undies and that's literally the first time we've ever been able to say this regarding a Sun Belt vs. P5 opponent. Usually that was reserved for, say, Sun Belt versus top FCS opponent. We've moved on.

(09-17-2023 12:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 08:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  1. JMU - Stifling defense and a mobile QB, same recipe as almost every other year
1. Marshall - Stifling defense with a questionable offense. Need to beat Virginia Tech, and in my opinion, convincingly. They aren't a good team.
1. App State - Aguilar will now be known as Joe Cool. To go from a pick 6 and starting 10/21 to finishing 17/29 with four total touchdowns against that ECU defense? Good stuff. Defense held ECU to 42 2nd half yards while the offense gained 252.
1. South Alabama - Typical South Alabama out of conference P5 win. Big timing it.
1. Louisiana - QB brings them up a tier. They got their swag back last night and reminded me a lot of the Napier led teams with Levi Lewis, which makes me wonder if Louisiana was more a product of Lewis or Napier?
1. Coastal - Still has the best QB in the Sun Belt and one of the best in College Football. Obvious that they are in an adjustment period but they will be in a lot of close games

2. Georgia State - Elliot may have struck gold with getting App State castaway Iron Mike. Elliot and Mike are like complimentary chess pieces
2. Texas State - GJ Kinne and Finley
2. Troy - Gunnar Watson is good but streaky and ultimately will hold a solid Troy team back to what he can do.
2. ODU - Much improved over a year ago, overall
2. Georgia Southern - Brin?

3. ULM - Gotta prove it but close to 2nd tier
3. USM - No QB still, can't run the ball because they don't have a threat to pass
3. Arkansas State - Bad team

There are obviously tiers in this conference where almost anyone could beat anyone.

3.

I mean stifling D and can pound the rock with the best RB in conference....and were bad?

It might not look like Georgia Southern who will throw for 500 yards a game, but we can be the bullies on the SBC block.

I was referring to Virginia Tech.

And according to ECU's players, Nate Noel is the best running back they've faced. That includes Corum and Ali. Noel is also leading the country in rushing.

Would love to see what Ali could do in Boone.

(09-16-2023 11:37 PM)rileylives Wrote:  #1 SBC
#2 MWC
#3 AAC
#4 CUSA
#5 MAC

^This.^

(09-19-2023 12:03 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 09:09 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  1. James Madison - 1-0 in SBC after beating defending Champ on the road. (1)
2. Appalachian State - Curb stomped ECU. (2)
3. Texas State - Dropped 77 on the Prime-less JSU Tigers. (3)
4. Coastal Carolina - Destroyed a FCS team that I've never heard of. (4)
5. South Alabama - Took Oklahoma State out behind the woodshed. (11)
6. Georgia Southern - Wasn't up to Wisconsin. (5)
7. Marshall - Bye Week (6)
8. Louisiana - Stomped UAB. (13)
9. Louisiana Monroe - Army win looks better after they beat UTSA, but A&M stomped ULM this week. (7)
10. Old Dominion - Gave Wake Forest a game before fading late. (8)
11. Georgia State - Stomped Charlotte. (9)
12. Troy - Lost a close game to JMU. (10)
13. Southern Miss - Lost bt 18 at home to Tulane. (12)
14. Arkansas State - Stomped Stony Brook. Beat USM next week and they're out of the pit. (14)

Basically, I just bumped USA up to 5 and UL up to 8 and everyone else below #4 slid down one or two slots except stAte. I don't really think my Golden Eagles are this bad, but they'll have to prove it. Luckily, 7 of the teams above them are on the schedule, so they can prove it (or not) on the field.

Knocked out of field goal range by a penalty at the end of the game against your #1, and you have us 11 spots below them. Crazy.

As I said last week, it's probably more about how high I was on troy to open the season. Very disappointed. Not as much as in my Golden Eagles though :/

(09-20-2023 01:40 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:03 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 09:09 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  1. James Madison - 1-0 in SBC after beating defending Champ on the road. (1)
2. Appalachian State - Curb stomped ECU. (2)
3. Texas State - Dropped 77 on the Prime-less JSU Tigers. (3)
4. Coastal Carolina - Destroyed a FCS team that I've never heard of. (4)
5. South Alabama - Took Oklahoma State out behind the woodshed. (11)
6. Georgia Southern - Wasn't up to Wisconsin. (5)
7. Marshall - Bye Week (6)
8. Louisiana - Stomped UAB. (13)
9. Louisiana Monroe - Army win looks better after they beat UTSA, but A&M stomped ULM this week. (7)
10. Old Dominion - Gave Wake Forest a game before fading late. (8)
11. Georgia State - Stomped Charlotte. (9)
12. Troy - Lost a close game to JMU. (10)
13. Southern Miss - Lost bt 18 at home to Tulane. (12)
14. Arkansas State - Stomped Stony Brook. Beat USM next week and they're out of the pit. (14)

Basically, I just bumped USA up to 5 and UL up to 8 and everyone else below #4 slid down one or two slots except stAte. I don't really think my Golden Eagles are this bad, but they'll have to prove it. Luckily, 7 of the teams above them are on the schedule, so they can prove it (or not) on the field.

Knocked out of field goal range by a penalty at the end of the game against your #1, and you have us 11 spots below them. Crazy.

As I said last week, it's probably more about how high I was on troy to open the season. Very disappointed. Not as much as in my Golden Eagles though :/

Well, hopefully we won't have to end the season in the Disappointment Bowl in Hattiesburg. Here's to having a great season, lol.

(09-20-2023 12:49 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 12:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 08:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  1. JMU - Stifling defense and a mobile QB, same recipe as almost every other year
1. Marshall - Stifling defense with a questionable offense. Need to beat Virginia Tech, and in my opinion, convincingly. They aren't a good team.
1. App State - Aguilar will now be known as Joe Cool. To go from a pick 6 and starting 10/21 to finishing 17/29 with four total touchdowns against that ECU defense? Good stuff. Defense held ECU to 42 2nd half yards while the offense gained 252.
1. South Alabama - Typical South Alabama out of conference P5 win. Big timing it.
1. Louisiana - QB brings them up a tier. They got their swag back last night and reminded me a lot of the Napier led teams with Levi Lewis, which makes me wonder if Louisiana was more a product of Lewis or Napier?
1. Coastal - Still has the best QB in the Sun Belt and one of the best in College Football. Obvious that they are in an adjustment period but they will be in a lot of close games

2. Georgia State - Elliot may have struck gold with getting App State castaway Iron Mike. Elliot and Mike are like complimentary chess pieces
2. Texas State - GJ Kinne and Finley
2. Troy - Gunnar Watson is good but streaky and ultimately will hold a solid Troy team back to what he can do.
2. ODU - Much improved over a year ago, overall
2. Georgia Southern - Brin?

3. ULM - Gotta prove it but close to 2nd tier
3. USM - No QB still, can't run the ball because they don't have a threat to pass
3. Arkansas State - Bad team

There are obviously tiers in this conference where almost anyone could beat anyone.

3.

I mean stifling D and can pound the rock with the best RB in conference....and were bad?

It might not look like Georgia Southern who will throw for 500 yards a game, but we can be the bullies on the SBC block.

I was referring to Virginia Tech.

And according to ECU's players, Nate Noel is the best running back they've faced. That includes Corum and Ali. Noel is also leading the country in rushing.

Would love to see what Ali could do in Boone.

Ali gashed ECU late in the game. Your ability to get a passing game going early helped Noel be more effective early on while they just stacked the box against us for 3 quarters. And of course due to the weather a lot of people didn't get to see the second half of our game with them. I'd take either one on my team, though. Both very talented individuals.