(09-15-2023 11:35 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 11:12 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 10:54 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  ^ this is kind of a boss move....Army is OK in ball as we all know, but pairing with Navy and the name recognition is solid - temple / navy aren't too far

Name recognition is a positive, competitive play and SOS is a negative.

Agreed. But name recognition also carries eyeballs, which mean money. Army should wait and see if any AAC teams are joining the PAC before they sign on the dotted line.

It only carries eyeballs for the Army v Navy game. This year they have one game on ESPN and the Navy game on CBS.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/te...e/_/id/349

So now we’re at the point of having 2 schools who are football-only members of the same conference play an annual football game that has no connection to or bearing in the standings of said conference. They’ve finally trumped the stupidity of Boise State playing in the Big East.

I have stronger feelings about this than most having lived through the original CUSA frankenconference, but if I were in their shoes, I’d rather just play with 13, sacrifice a few dollars, and retain some dignity.

(09-15-2023 11:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:30 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:21 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 08:36 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:59 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Troy would stick to the SBC. Our chancellor has talked about this before, and has said he likes the leadership within the SBC and the direction the conference is heading, and desires to stay so that the conference can continue to be built up further.

Thank you for being of the only ones answering the question so far. This question had nothing to do about Middle Tennessee.

I'm not even sure how you got the initial replies you received. They were off topic.

Everyone answered his question. No, their school would not move.

So why ask the question in the first place? A lot of us are happy here, I happen to think he asked to gauge our interest in order to detect MTSU's chances of getting out of CUSA.

Because more change is coming. This is far from over, and some schools in this league could be approached. So, I was just curious how dedicated your administration is to sticking with it given we're in an environment where everyone is looking out from themselves regardless of public statements of commitment.

That’s a curious statement to bring to a message board. I mean, does anyone posting here really speak for their school’s Administration ?

. . . Anyone ?

Bueller ?

I mean as fans, sure it’s fun to speculate, but I doubt that any opinions offered here are (necessarily) reflective of school administrators.

In the end, everyone’s going to follow the course that they believe is in the best interest of their University, be that leave or stay.

(09-15-2023 10:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think Army is actually going to say yes to joining, which in terms of stability for everyone is the best thing possible. Still have to see whatever is going to shake out with the MWC and the PAC2, but I suspect it will end up being some sort of reverse merger with the entire MWC merging with the PAC. I know the SDSU fans have wet dreams about being able to dissolve the league and leave out a couple of MWC schools, but that would end up being a legal mess with very obvious grounds for a tortious interference suit.

Will definitely be interesting to see what the PAC-2 eventually does. Reverse MWC merger or attempt to rebuild the conference with the "top" AAC and MWC schools?

(09-15-2023 12:17 PM)NewfieHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 10:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think Army is actually going to say yes to joining, which in terms of stability for everyone is the best thing possible. Still have to see whatever is going to shake out with the MWC and the PAC2, but I suspect it will end up being some sort of reverse merger with the entire MWC merging with the PAC. I know the SDSU fans have wet dreams about being able to dissolve the league and leave out a couple of MWC schools, but that would end up being a legal mess with very obvious grounds for a tortious interference suit.

Will definitely be interesting to see what the PAC-2 eventually does. Reverse MWC merger or attempt to rebuild the conference with the "top" AAC and MWC schools?

They'll take 6 from the MWC and hold.

(09-15-2023 12:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 11:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:30 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:21 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 08:36 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Thank you for being of the only ones answering the question so far. This question had nothing to do about Middle Tennessee.

I'm not even sure how you got the initial replies you received. They were off topic.

Everyone answered his question. No, their school would not move.

So why ask the question in the first place? A lot of us are happy here, I happen to think he asked to gauge our interest in order to detect MTSU's chances of getting out of CUSA.

Because more change is coming. This is far from over, and some schools in this league could be approached. So, I was just curious how dedicated your administration is to sticking with it given we're in an environment where everyone is looking out from themselves regardless of public statements of commitment.

That’s a curious statement to bring to a message board. I mean, does anyone posting here really speak for their school’s Administration ?

. . . Anyone ?

Bueller ?

I mean as fans, sure it’s fun to speculate, but I doubt that any opinions offered here are (necessarily) reflective of school administrators.

In the end, everyone’s going to follow the course that they believe is in the best interest of their University, be that leave or stay.

You've gotta be kidding me. Damn near everyone of you get on these boards and spew garbage about what you think your administration is doing and thinking on various issues.

Reread the original question. It is what do you believe would be your leadership might do in a specific scenario? Something y'all do constantly. Now I ask a specific question like that and suddenly the board is the epicenter for only discussing precise decision points, facts, and objectivity. LMAO.

Sorry for coming on here to chat. Good luck and y'all have a good weekend.

Some have said that Louisiana and Georgia St. were approached by the AAC back in ‘19-‘20 and even then we said no thank you. I’m not sure how much truth, if any at all, is within those rumors but I just can’t imagine Louisiana saying yes today.

(09-15-2023 12:01 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  So now we’re at the point of having 2 schools who are football-only members of the same conference play an annual football game that has no connection to or bearing in the standings of said conference. They’ve finally trumped the stupidity of Boise State playing in the Big East.

I have stronger feelings about this than most having lived through the original CUSA frankenconference, but if I were in their shoes, I’d rather just play with 13, sacrifice a few dollars, and retain some dignity.

Bro, I’m thinking the same thing. What in the actual heck is happening here?

(09-15-2023 01:33 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 12:01 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  So now we’re at the point of having 2 schools who are football-only members of the same conference play an annual football game that has no connection to or bearing in the standings of said conference. They’ve finally trumped the stupidity of Boise State playing in the Big East.

I have stronger feelings about this than most having lived through the original CUSA frankenconference, but if I were in their shoes, I’d rather just play with 13, sacrifice a few dollars, and retain some dignity.

Bro, I’m thinking the same thing. What in the actual heck is happening here?

They're desperately trying to keep ESPN from giving them a haircut... not only a haircut, but a buzzcut!

(09-15-2023 01:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 12:17 PM)NewfieHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 10:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think Army is actually going to say yes to joining, which in terms of stability for everyone is the best thing possible. Still have to see whatever is going to shake out with the MWC and the PAC2, but I suspect it will end up being some sort of reverse merger with the entire MWC merging with the PAC. I know the SDSU fans have wet dreams about being able to dissolve the league and leave out a couple of MWC schools, but that would end up being a legal mess with very obvious grounds for a tortious interference suit.

Will definitely be interesting to see what the PAC-2 eventually does. Reverse MWC merger or attempt to rebuild the conference with the "top" AAC and MWC schools?

They'll take 6 from the MWC and hold.

What are the exit fees for both the MWC and the AAC? Seems I remember reading that the PAC-2 could possibly offer some AAC teams this year and then wait a year to offer MWC teams (because their exit fee will be lower then).

MTSU and WKU were mentioned earlier in the thread and I'll just leave it at this: I don't give a **** what happens to either of those schools. They left for greener pastures so I don't really give a damn if they are in a dead field now.

(09-15-2023 01:44 PM)NewfieHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 01:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 12:17 PM)NewfieHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 10:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think Army is actually going to say yes to joining, which in terms of stability for everyone is the best thing possible. Still have to see whatever is going to shake out with the MWC and the PAC2, but I suspect it will end up being some sort of reverse merger with the entire MWC merging with the PAC. I know the SDSU fans have wet dreams about being able to dissolve the league and leave out a couple of MWC schools, but that would end up being a legal mess with very obvious grounds for a tortious interference suit.

Will definitely be interesting to see what the PAC-2 eventually does. Reverse MWC merger or attempt to rebuild the conference with the "top" AAC and MWC schools?

They'll take 6 from the MWC and hold.

What are the exit fees for both the MWC and the AAC? Seems I remember reading that the PAC-2 could possibly offer some AAC teams this year and then wait a year to offer MWC teams (because their exit fee will be lower then).

I'm not sure to be honest. But I think they take...

SDSU
Colorado State
Boise
Air Force
?
?

(09-15-2023 02:07 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 01:44 PM)NewfieHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 01:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 12:17 PM)NewfieHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 10:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think Army is actually going to say yes to joining, which in terms of stability for everyone is the best thing possible. Still have to see whatever is going to shake out with the MWC and the PAC2, but I suspect it will end up being some sort of reverse merger with the entire MWC merging with the PAC. I know the SDSU fans have wet dreams about being able to dissolve the league and leave out a couple of MWC schools, but that would end up being a legal mess with very obvious grounds for a tortious interference suit.

Will definitely be interesting to see what the PAC-2 eventually does. Reverse MWC merger or attempt to rebuild the conference with the "top" AAC and MWC schools?

They'll take 6 from the MWC and hold.

What are the exit fees for both the MWC and the AAC? Seems I remember reading that the PAC-2 could possibly offer some AAC teams this year and then wait a year to offer MWC teams (because their exit fee will be lower then).

I'm not sure to be honest. But I think they take...

SDSU
Colorado State
Boise
Air Force
?
?

Fresno State is a nobrainer too. But that being said, California State University system probably won't let SDSU and Fresno State leave San Jose.

(09-15-2023 01:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 12:17 PM)NewfieHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 10:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think Army is actually going to say yes to joining, which in terms of stability for everyone is the best thing possible. Still have to see whatever is going to shake out with the MWC and the PAC2, but I suspect it will end up being some sort of reverse merger with the entire MWC merging with the PAC. I know the SDSU fans have wet dreams about being able to dissolve the league and leave out a couple of MWC schools, but that would end up being a legal mess with very obvious grounds for a tortious interference suit.

Will definitely be interesting to see what the PAC-2 eventually does. Reverse MWC merger or attempt to rebuild the conference with the "top" AAC and MWC schools?

They'll take 6 from the MWC and hold.

The exit fees from the Mountain West conference are going to prevent that from happening.

Our AD announced today he is leaving after 25 years - as for the topic of this thread, I doubt that impacts our position on SBC - not going anywhere at this point.

(09-15-2023 01:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 12:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 11:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:30 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:21 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I'm not even sure how you got the initial replies you received. They were off topic.

Everyone answered his question. No, their school would not move.

So why ask the question in the first place? A lot of us are happy here, I happen to think he asked to gauge our interest in order to detect MTSU's chances of getting out of CUSA.

Because more change is coming. This is far from over, and some schools in this league could be approached. So, I was just curious how dedicated your administration is to sticking with it given we're in an environment where everyone is looking out from themselves regardless of public statements of commitment.

That’s a curious statement to bring to a message board. I mean, does anyone posting here really speak for their school’s Administration ?

. . . Anyone ?

Bueller ?

I mean as fans, sure it’s fun to speculate, but I doubt that any opinions offered here are (necessarily) reflective of school administrators.

In the end, everyone’s going to follow the course that they believe is in the best interest of their University, be that leave or stay.

You've gotta be kidding me. Damn near everyone of you get on these boards and spew garbage about what you think your administration is doing and thinking on various issues.

Reread the original question. It is what do you believe would be your leadership might do in a specific scenario? Something y'all do constantly. Now I ask a specific question like that and suddenly the board is the epicenter for only discussing precise decision points, facts, and objectivity. LMAO.

Sorry for coming on here to chat. Good luck and y'all have a good weekend.

You're always welcome here, you really need to chill.

You don't need to tell us how to post. It's not a black or white question like you want it to be.

Sounds like you were looking for poll reponses, you should have just put it in a poll.

(09-15-2023 01:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 12:17 PM)NewfieHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 10:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think Army is actually going to say yes to joining, which in terms of stability for everyone is the best thing possible. Still have to see whatever is going to shake out with the MWC and the PAC2, but I suspect it will end up being some sort of reverse merger with the entire MWC merging with the PAC. I know the SDSU fans have wet dreams about being able to dissolve the league and leave out a couple of MWC schools, but that would end up being a legal mess with very obvious grounds for a tortious interference suit.

Will definitely be interesting to see what the PAC-2 eventually does. Reverse MWC merger or attempt to rebuild the conference with the "top" AAC and MWC schools?

They'll take 6 from the MWC and hold.

Why? Why be that conservative? I mean if their plan is to reorganize under the PAC label, and maintain Power status, why stop at 8, when every other Power conference is forming mega conferences?

If they can manage it, dissolve/absorb the MW, and pick off the best of the AAC (you think those programs wouldn’t jump at the chance to join a Power conference) ?

PAC 2 should Go Big, or just join The MW

(09-15-2023 01:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 12:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 11:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:30 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:21 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I'm not even sure how you got the initial replies you received. They were off topic.

Everyone answered his question. No, their school would not move.

So why ask the question in the first place? A lot of us are happy here, I happen to think he asked to gauge our interest in order to detect MTSU's chances of getting out of CUSA.

Because more change is coming. This is far from over, and some schools in this league could be approached. So, I was just curious how dedicated your administration is to sticking with it given we're in an environment where everyone is looking out from themselves regardless of public statements of commitment.

That’s a curious statement to bring to a message board. I mean, does anyone posting here really speak for their school’s Administration ?

. . . Anyone ?

Bueller ?

I mean as fans, sure it’s fun to speculate, but I doubt that any opinions offered here are (necessarily) reflective of school administrators.

In the end, everyone’s going to follow the course that they believe is in the best interest of their University, be that leave or stay.

You've gotta be kidding me. Damn near everyone of you get on these boards and spew garbage about what you think your administration is doing and thinking on various issues.

Reread the original question. It is what do you believe would be your leadership might do in a specific scenario? Something y'all do constantly. Now I ask a specific question like that and suddenly the board is the epicenter for only discussing precise decision points, facts, and objectivity. LMAO.

Sorry for coming on here to chat. Good luck and y'all have a good weekend.

What you “think” those admins. are doing and thinking being the key.

A far cry from “absolute knowledge” about what any particular Admin. Would do given the opportunity to leave The SBC.

As previously stated, it’s a fun “exercise” for fans to engage in. But you’re fooling yourself if you think that you can draw any absolute conclusions from a lot of fan speculation . . . . (Just my opinion)

. …. Didn’t mean to piss you off . . .

The answer to the OP is that I do not know how Chabcellor Sheri Everts and the App State board would respond to an AAC invitation.

The thing about these realignment games is that it can be a game of chicken. I could see App preferring to stay in the SBC, but they may worry that if they don't go to the AAC, Marshall, Coastal, and JMU will. Then, all of a sudden, the AAC is the better conference for App to be in, but they're on the outside looking in. So App could try to join so that they don't lose the musical chairs game.

Remember when Karl Benson had a grand plan to invite BYU as a non-FB member from the MWC to the WAC? It was going to secure the WAC's future. Then Fresno State and Nevada broke their verbal agreement to stick with the Benson plan. The WAC practically liquidated its assets after that, in that this is a 100% different WAC membership than it was in 2010. Anyway. Fresno and Nevada moved because they feared if they didn't, someone else would.

This stuff is wacky, yall. I'd love for App to still be in the SBC in 20 years with the same schools, ascending as decidedly the best conference after the P4. But we just do not know.

(09-15-2023 03:35 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 01:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 12:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-15-2023 11:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:30 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Everyone answered his question. No, their school would not move.

So why ask the question in the first place? A lot of us are happy here, I happen to think he asked to gauge our interest in order to detect MTSU's chances of getting out of CUSA.

Because more change is coming. This is far from over, and some schools in this league could be approached. So, I was just curious how dedicated your administration is to sticking with it given we're in an environment where everyone is looking out from themselves regardless of public statements of commitment.

That’s a curious statement to bring to a message board. I mean, does anyone posting here really speak for their school’s Administration ?

. . . Anyone ?

Bueller ?

I mean as fans, sure it’s fun to speculate, but I doubt that any opinions offered here are (necessarily) reflective of school administrators.

In the end, everyone’s going to follow the course that they believe is in the best interest of their University, be that leave or stay.

You've gotta be kidding me. Damn near everyone of you get on these boards and spew garbage about what you think your administration is doing and thinking on various issues.

Reread the original question. It is what do you believe would be your leadership might do in a specific scenario? Something y'all do constantly. Now I ask a specific question like that and suddenly the board is the epicenter for only discussing precise decision points, facts, and objectivity. LMAO.

Sorry for coming on here to chat. Good luck and y'all have a good weekend.

What you “think” those admins. are doing and thinking being the key.

A far cry from “absolute knowledge” about what any particular Admin. Would do given the opportunity to leave The SBC.

As previously stated, it’s a fun “exercise” for fans to engage in. But you’re fooling yourself if you think that you can draw any absolute conclusions from a lot of fan speculation . . . . (Just my opinion)

. …. Didn’t mean to piss you off . . .

BTW, as an “exercise” goes it’s cool, but I don’t know what (if anything reality based) you expect to accomplish.

For instance, when the WAC imploded TXST wanted to go to CUSA with UTSA, pretty sure our Admin. Was on board with it too. But just because they wanted it, didn’t make it happen, and Here We Are.