(09-15-2023 08:46 PM)No Bull Wrote: I just want to know why this summer has been so unbearably hot. I am 55 and a Florida native. I have never endured a summer like this. Even with La Niña it is just unreal.
That volcano that went off under the ocean last year that you could see on the NASA satellite, it released so much water vapor that it increased planet wide levels by 30%. That means more trapped heat plus more humidity. It also superheated the ocean water in the vicinity of the eruption.
(09-14-2023 11:59 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: They better figure out how to stop volcanos from popping off too.....
They dont want to look at real science. Weve fine thst here several times esp with core data.
Climate change is a scam. Plain and simple.
just like masks or anything else the dems touch…
the only benefactors are a handful of 1%’rs…
it fks everyone from upper middle class to muh poverty level … the less one earns, the more fk’d one is…
oh wellzy
"Have no kids, eat bugs, send us your money then kill yourself. Save mother earth"
Prog filth..."yes yes. I will get a battery powered car and cut off my pecker."
Bwahahahahaha
You won't need to do the latter. They serve everything in plastics which their green asses don't recycle because it's hard to do, inefficient, and they need to keep the oil companies plush by allowing them to sell the low grades for plastic production. Meanwhile the more pcps you consume from that which leaches out of plastic essentially neuters you anyway.
The problem with plastic trash in the ocean is that it turns all miniscule marine life on the bottom into females and reproduction of those species at the bottom of the food chain is being subverted and with it goes the stability of the whole food chain and the added depletion of the species being overfished which we depend upon for food. In fact 70% of the world's protein sources.
So, rest easy, they aren't coming for just your pecker. Nor are they just destroying conservatives, the stupid bastards are killing us all, including themselves.
(This post was last modified: 09-16-2023 12:03 PM by JRsec.)
(09-13-2023 01:47 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: That's part of the 13 trillion pounds currently produced
You sure about that?
Even if that was the case, any fossil fuels we burn are releasing CO2 into the atmosphere that was previously sequestered in the ground for millions of years.
I'm sure that anyone actually trying to solve a problem would have considered precisely that. Otherwise you're not actually presenting the problem. I understand that frequently happens with the 'pro-green' side where they ignore the environmental issues of rare earth mineral mining or the environmental issues of producing electricity today when looking at 'green' solutions, but I can assure you that those who are skeptical of such claims do not make this sort of mistake.
The 6.3 million metric tons (13 trillion pounds) comes from the EPA. If they aren't considering ALL sources, that's on them. I'd also note that they mention 'soil sequestration' (which is essentially the same thing, but from soil) in their release of that number... so again, if they don't include that, it's on them for not being honest.
FTR, burning trees does not release carbon from the ground. It releases carbon from the trees.... so plant new trees and the 'old' carbon is re-absorbed. That's the whole point.... and the 'age' of the co2 being released doesn't really make any difference. Whether we burn 1 gal of billion year old oil or a newly honed, 2 yr old pine 2 x 4 is really immaterial.
First, I don't believe that CO2 entering the atmosphere is accounted for in that 13 trillion pound estimate. From the information presented below, it seems to consider human-caused sources of CO2 emissions. [Note - info below is from 2021; CO2 emissions were down in 2020 due to COVID, it increased to approximately 14 trillion lbs in 2021].
In the footer of the graphic, it mentions that land use, land-use change, and Forestry in the US account for a 12% offset of our greenhouse gas emissions. That means 88% is not being reabsorbed and adds to the total concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere.
The natural cycle of vegetation growth and die-off prior to the industrial revolution kept the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere between 180 and 300 ppm for hundreds of thousands of years. By burning fossil fuel, we are releasing CO2 that was sequestered deep underground from carboniferous organisms that existed 300 million years ago.
So yes there is a difference between burning a 2-year old pine and burning fossil fuels. Burning pine is releasing carbon that said pine absorbed during it's lifetime. It absorbed X amount of CO2 during it's life and in the process of burning (or decomposition), it releases X amount of CO2 back into the atmosphere.
Burning fossil fuels releases carbon that hasn't been in the natural atmospheric cycle since the time of the dinosaurs.
Regardless of the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, the environmental change models used to estimate the impact of it are simply trash. None of the models comes even close to predicting what we have actually seen happen over the last 25 years.
The alarmism from the models of the past is not justified. Something is wrong with the modeling.
The science is wrong.
And some of it is falsified. Maybe that EPA chart is also falsified.
Even if that is a valid interpretation from Antarctica and Greenland ice cores from 800,000 years ago, it is from a handful of samples in geographically isolated parts of the world.
(09-15-2023 08:46 PM)No Bull Wrote: I just want to know why this summer has been so unbearably hot. I am 55 and a Florida native. I have never endured a summer like this. Even with La Niña it is just unreal.
I'd wager your tolerance for higher temperatures have changed more than this year's temps from the average.
(09-15-2023 08:46 PM)No Bull Wrote: I just want to know why this summer has been so unbearably hot. I am 55 and a Florida native. I have never endured a summer like this. Even with La Niña it is just unreal.
I'd wager your tolerance for higher temperatures have changed more than this year's temps from the average.
he issue this year has been the humiture. The humidity levels were in the 70-85% range for most of August. I had to change my walking time from 5 in the afternoon to 5 AM and it was still somewhat oppressive. I can walk in 95 degree temperatures and function and perform normally for the 5K a day, but toss in 80% humidity and you simply overheat because your sweat won't evaporate and cool you.
Heck, we had one day in August where it was 90% humidity and over 90 degrees. We simply stayed inside. Why? I would have needed gills to survive out there.
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2023 11:37 AM by JRsec.)
(09-15-2023 08:46 PM)No Bull Wrote: I just want to know why this summer has been so unbearably hot. I am 55 and a Florida native. I have never endured a summer like this. Even with La Niña it is just unreal.
I'd wager your tolerance for higher temperatures have changed more than this year's temps from the average.
Yep, I know that's the case with me. I remember multiple high 90s & 100 degree days growing up and yes, it was hot, but it didn't' impact me the way it does now. Getting older sucks.
(09-15-2023 08:46 PM)No Bull Wrote: I just want to know why this summer has been so unbearably hot. I am 55 and a Florida native. I have never endured a summer like this. Even with La Niña it is just unreal.
I'd wager your tolerance for higher temperatures have changed more than this year's temps from the average.
he issue this year has been the humiture. The humidity levels were in the 70-85% range for most of August. I had to change my walking time from 5 in the afternoon to 5 AM and it was still somewhat oppressive. I can walk in 95 degree temperatures and function and perform normally for the 5K a day, but toss in 80% humidity and you simply overheat because your sweat won't evaporate and cool you.
Heck, we had one day in August where it was 90% humidity and over 90 degrees. We simply stayed inside. Why? I would have needed gills to survive out there.
That describes much of the south from mid July when the rain starts until early October ever since I was a kid.
(09-15-2023 08:46 PM)No Bull Wrote: I just want to know why this summer has been so unbearably hot. I am 55 and a Florida native. I have never endured a summer like this. Even with La Niña it is just unreal.
I'd wager your tolerance for higher temperatures have changed more than this year's temps from the average.
he issue this year has been the humiture. The humidity levels were in the 70-85% range for most of August. I had to change my walking time from 5 in the afternoon to 5 AM and it was still somewhat oppressive. I can walk in 95 degree temperatures and function and perform normally for the 5K a day, but toss in 80% humidity and you simply overheat because your sweat won't evaporate and cool you.
Heck, we had one day in August where it was 90% humidity and over 90 degrees. We simply stayed inside. Why? I would have needed gills to survive out there.
That describes much of the south from mid July when the rain starts until early October ever since I was a kid.
When were you a kid? I was one in the 50's. While young I worked in logging and sawmilling, kept greens and grass tennis courts, mowed lawns. I hunt and fish, and spend a great deal of time gardening now. We've always had heat and humidity, but not high heat and high humidity. My gardening is the best indicator. I've not lost a tomato plant or pepper plant before they could yield in over 30 years. This year I lost all of my tomatoes and not to bugs, but too humidity. They simply fail to thrive in high humidity. The county agent was swamped with phone calls this year because of the number of people who had never seen tomatoes fail. My peppers almost failed, but have been resurrected by lower temperatures and lower humidity than in July and August. I had a few initial peppers, then no blooms for 2 months and now I've got blooms and some more peppers. Culprit? High humidity.
Yes we've always had heat and humidity. What we've not always had is 90 degree plus heat and humidity over 80%. The change is we are becoming more subtropical.
(09-13-2023 04:12 PM)banker Wrote: The problem is that graph is nonsensical, it’s simply made up based on projected data with miles between each slightly reliable data point. Then they amplify the impact by presenting it in a narrow band that over represents the amount and timeframe of the recent change. It’s an agenda driven graph.
You have anything to back that up?
Past CO2 concentration are pretty reliably measured from ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic.
Quote:Ice sheets have one particularly special property. They allow us to go back in time and to sample accumulation, air temperature and air chemistry from another time[1]. Ice core records allow us to generate continuous reconstructions of past climate, going back at least 800,000 years[2]. By looking at past concentrations of greenhouse gasses in layers in ice cores, scientists can calculate how modern amounts of carbon dioxide and methane compare to those of the past, and, essentially, compare past concentrations of greenhouse gasses to temperature.
Ice coring has been around since the 1950s. Ice cores have been drilled in ice sheets worldwide, but notably in Greenland[3] and Antarctica[4, 5]. High rates of snow accumulation provide excellent time resolution, and bubbles in the ice core preserve actual samples of the world’s ancient atmosphere[6]. Through analysis of ice cores, scientists learn about glacial-interglacial cycles, changing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, and climate stability over the last 10,000 years. Many ice cores have been drilled in Antarctica.
(09-15-2023 08:46 PM)No Bull Wrote: I just want to know why this summer has been so unbearably hot. I am 55 and a Florida native. I have never endured a summer like this. Even with La Niña it is just unreal.
It gets worse as you get older. Your physiology isn't as resilient as it once was. I used to work outdoors with no problem in the same temps we had this summer. It drains me now. This past summer we didn't see a day over 100 degrees here and yet it felt hotter. Most summers I can remember always had about a weeks worth of 100 degree days.
(09-15-2023 08:46 PM)No Bull Wrote: I just want to know why this summer has been so unbearably hot. I am 55 and a Florida native. I have never endured a summer like this. Even with La Niña it is just unreal.
Location, location, location. It's been way cooler than normal all year up here in Michigan.
It was only 41 in the morning this week. I might have to break out the coveralls soon.
Scrotal warming is s real issue.
IMO that's not a bad thing. Who wants cold testicles?
(09-15-2023 08:46 PM)No Bull Wrote: I just want to know why this summer has been so unbearably hot. I am 55 and a Florida native. I have never endured a summer like this. Even with La Niña it is just unreal.
I'd wager your tolerance for higher temperatures have changed more than this year's temps from the average.
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