(09-18-2023 10:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  The ranking system has its problems, but I'm surprised that class size was completely removed. Seems like a pretty good metric to include if we're evaluating the quality of undergraduate universities. That said, a small class with a faculty who doesn't know how to teach is likely far worse for one's education than a large class with a dedicated teaching faculty who actually knows how to teach.

Agree with this.... While your last statement is correct... a dedicated teaching faculty who actually knows how to teach will obviously still do better teaching 6 students rather than 30 or 300. Aligning with your first comment, it should still be a factor.

David Leebron tweeted a good assessment of the new ranking criteria this morning, which clearly favors the state schools...

Quote:David Leebron
@davidleebron
The US News college rankings have been released. Most significant overall change in the rankings methodology seems to be that outcomes (graduation rates & alumni incomes) have gone from 35% to 52% weighting in the calculation. (This doesn't count student debt, which is 5%.)

David Leebron
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One takeaway: if you're a prospective student looking at rankings, look at several, including ones that factor in actual student experience (which isn't evident much in US News). Rice has done very well across 3 important & quite different rankings: US News, Niche & Princeton.

Rice is not in the Top 50 universities worldwide ranked by PitchBook according to "the number of alumni entrepreneurs who have raised venture capital in the last decade. The rankings are powered by PitchBook data and are based on an analysis of more than 150,000 VC-backed founders."

https://pitchbook.com/news/articles/pitc...y-rankings

Harvard & Stanford are #1 & 2

Quote:Methodology

The 2023 PitchBook University rankings are based on the total number of founders whose companies received a round of venture funding between Jan. 1, 2013, and Sept. 1, 2023. The analysis is based on PitchBook data for global VC investment as well as the educational information of more than 150,000 founders.

Since companies can have more than one founder, and founders can attend multiple schools, it is possible for the same company or founder to count toward multiple universities.

Our small size surely hurts us, but 14 universities with total enrollment less than 15,000 are ranked, including Pepperdine (33), Santa Clara (40) and Vanderbilt (47).

I wonder what our data are for these metrics.

(09-10-2023 12:08 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(09-09-2023 01:33 PM)ausowl Wrote:  WSJ switched up their methodology and ranks/tanks Rice to 64. Ouch. Out ranked by Rose-Hulman, ...

How was the methodology changed?

What was Rose-Hulman's rank? The alma mater of Baker's first master (Carl Wischmeyer Jr.) and his father have excellent professional engineering programs ... and a fabulous career prep system. But it's a tech institute, not a full university.

Rose-Hulman is 17, between Duke and Cal Tech. RHIT is high quality and has figured out how to pivot beyond its biggest drawback - the location in Terre Haute. Tuition and fees are north of $50k now. Still less than Rice.

When I started grad school at Rice, my classmates had undergrad degrees from schools like Harvard, Cornell, Princeton and Brown. I felt just as prepared for the rigors of Rice (physical chemistry with Dr. Curl my first semester!) and had no trouble keeping up with my Ivy League peers.

(10-06-2023 07:42 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 12:08 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(09-09-2023 01:33 PM)ausowl Wrote:  WSJ switched up their methodology and ranks/tanks Rice to 64. Ouch. Out ranked by Rose-Hulman, ...

How was the methodology changed?

What was Rose-Hulman's rank? The alma mater of Baker's first master (Carl Wischmeyer Jr.) and his father have excellent professional engineering programs ... and a fabulous career prep system. But it's a tech institute, not a full university.

Rose-Hulman is 17, between Duke and Cal Tech. RHIT is high quality and has figured out how to pivot beyond its biggest drawback - the location in Terre Haute. Tuition and fees are north of $50k now. Still less than Rice.

When I started grad school at Rice, my classmates had undergrad degrees from schools like Harvard, Cornell, Princeton and Brown. I felt just as prepared for the rigors of Rice (physical chemistry with Dr. Curl my first semester!) and had no trouble keeping up with my Ivy League peers.

Rose-Hulman is one of those small engineering schools I never knew existed until my son was picking a college. We visited there, and Stevens Institute, and Olin, etc. He ended up attending WPI. Not what I would have guessed when he was in high school.

Sounds like another screw up like Miller High Light. Wonder how many subscriptions they loose from this garbage.

(09-09-2023 01:33 PM)ausowl Wrote:  WSJ switched up their methodology and ranks/tanks Rice to 64. Ouch. Out ranked by Rose-Hulman, UI, WPI, Babson, Davidson, . . .

Has aTm at 38, UT 118, Tulane 354 and Trinity U out altogether.

Talk about

(10-06-2023 09:47 AM)Texasowl Wrote:  Sounds like another screw up like Miller High Light. Wonder how many subscriptions they loose from this garbage.

(09-09-2023 01:33 PM)ausowl Wrote:  WSJ switched up their methodology and ranks/tanks Rice to 64. Ouch. Out ranked by Rose-Hulman, UI, WPI, Babson, Davidson, . . .

Has aTm at 38, UT 118, Tulane 354 and Trinity U out altogether.

Talk about

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(10-06-2023 08:44 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(10-06-2023 07:42 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 12:08 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(09-09-2023 01:33 PM)ausowl Wrote:  WSJ switched up their methodology and ranks/tanks Rice to 64. Ouch. Out ranked by Rose-Hulman, ...

How was the methodology changed?

What was Rose-Hulman's rank? The alma mater of Baker's first master (Carl Wischmeyer Jr.) and his father have excellent professional engineering programs ... and a fabulous career prep system. But it's a tech institute, not a full university.

Rose-Hulman is 17, between Duke and Cal Tech. RHIT is high quality and has figured out how to pivot beyond its biggest drawback - the location in Terre Haute. Tuition and fees are north of $50k now. Still less than Rice.

When I started grad school at Rice, my classmates had undergrad degrees from schools like Harvard, Cornell, Princeton and Brown. I felt just as prepared for the rigors of Rice (physical chemistry with Dr. Curl my first semester!) and had no trouble keeping up with my Ivy League peers.

Rose-Hulman is one of those small engineering schools I never knew existed until my son was picking a college. We visited there, and Stevens Institute, and Olin, etc. He ended up attending WPI. Not what I would have guessed when he was in high school.

Our son is a Rose grad. He loved it after he attended their excellent "Catapult" summer program for rising high school seniors (despite the unusually temps that year).

BTW, 267 companies just attended Rose's Fall Career Fair (the first of three held each year; one per quarter).
https://www.rose-hulman.edu/news/2023/st...-fair.html