(08-26-2023 06:55 PM)krux Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 06:01 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 05:14 PM)krux Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 03:47 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  When the Magnificent 7 list was published, that was notice.

No it wasn't. Otherwise we wouldn't have been waiting for the 15th like we were. That's like a man claiming the pictures of him cheating on his wife was notice of his intent for divorce. Nope, sorry buddy. Not how that works. Still gotta file the paper work and until you do, you're just bitchin'.

Step by step. There's notice, then there's formal notice.

When a spouse changes the relationship status on social media from ''Married' to 'It's Complicated', that's a clue-by-four. Anyone of normal intelligence takes the message: It's time to start making alternative arrangements for the future.

Unless something important changes, formalities follow in due course.

And thats the first thing your divorce lawyer advises against when you have a consultation (I should know lol)

My point exactly.

No one owes you informal notice. A party looking out for their interests and their interests alone will not provide any. Better to be stealthy and shock everybody, a la USC and UCLA. Be out the door before anyone else starts watching it.

Instead of seeing informal notice as 'bitchin' you have the option of seeing it as a courtesy. It may not feel very pleasant as courtesies go, but it still functions as one.

Message: 'It's been fun. Now heads up. This isn't working and things are about to change. Make preparations.'

I suppose the ACC academic association does not carry much weight?

(08-25-2023 03:15 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 02:47 PM)3BNole Wrote:  As an FSU fan, I’ve been spending a lot of time thinking about how the ACC could survive in a way that schools like FSU and Clemson would actually be content to stay long term (I’m talking even beyond the GOR). The path is narrow, but I do think I’ve found a way to close the revenue gap for those schools (plus some others) and to grow more regional and institutional rivalries that could produce a more lucrative football product by the end of the GOR.

First off, I would invite Stanford, Cal, and SMU as rumored, but then additionally Memphis, Tulane, and West Virginia (or another AAC school if you can’t pry WV from the Big 12). I would then pay each of the schools the following rates: $40M to WV, $20M each to Cal and Stanford, and $10M each to Tulane, Memphis, and SMU. This rate would be locked in until the end of GOR, but additional payouts from NCAA credits, CFP payouts, etc would be added.

This would result in at least $130M additional revenue for the rest of the conference. (In reality there would be more because of additional ACCN carriage, but I’m being conservative.) I would then divide this additional revenue annually as follows: $40M additionally to the top 2 viewed football programs that year, $20M to the 3rd and 4th, and $5M to the 5th and 6th.

Finally, as far as scheduling goes, I would move to 4 divisions of 5, with each team playing 4 divisional games, 1 protected rival, and 3 games against a team from each of the other divisions. For the time being, the ACC championship would be the top 2 teams by conference record with some sort of ranking tie breaker applied. Eventual lobbying would be for a 4 team conference playoff.

Here are my proposed divisions:
- Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
- Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Cal, Stanford
- Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake, Clemson, Louisville
- Miami, Florida State, Tulane, Memphis, SMU

Some examples of protected cross divisional rivalry games would be FSU-Clemson, Louisville-Memphis, UVA-VT, UNC-NCST, and Miami-WV (or BC).

Good effort but hard pass. I want to see Doak rocking in the SEC.

Getting rocked by the SEC is more like it. Pay the 500 million and leave.

How many football championships has Miami won since joining the ACC??

The purpose of having FSU and Miami in separate divisions was to have that matchup for the ACC championship game on a yearly basis and it's high TV ratings. What happened?? Miami is a shell of its former self and if Norvell fails to produce FSU will head down the similar path of irrelevance.

(08-27-2023 08:26 PM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  The purpose of having FSU and Miami in separate divisions was to have that matchup for the ACC championship game on a yearly basis and it's high TV ratings. What happened?? Miami is a shell of its former self and if Norvell fails to produce FSU will head down the similar path of irrelevance.

“The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry”....Robert Burns

Had FSU joined the SEC instead of the ACC their history would have resembled Mississippi State more than Alabama.

We're all tired of their crowing. When the ACC needed to project strength, they were losing to FCS.

I also want to add...not that it really goes here:

If the NCAA tournament is worth over a Billion per year, then the entirety of a power football season is worth much more.

If the conferences weren't undercutting each other, it shouldn't be hard to get to that $100m mark for 70 teams.

Stop bickering about which "conference" you're in and create a league that controls and manages college football...and basketball.

(08-27-2023 08:26 PM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  The purpose of having FSU and Miami in separate divisions was to have that matchup for the ACC championship game on a yearly basis and it's high TV ratings. What happened?? Miami is a shell of its former self and if Norvell fails to produce FSU will head down the similar path of irrelevance.

You want to make GOD laugh? Make a plan/

(08-27-2023 08:26 PM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  ....
Miami is a shell of its former self and if Norvell fails to produce FSU will head down the similar path of irrelevance.

Fortunately, the college football world has two guiding lights that will forever illuminate the path of eternal relevance:

Elon and William & Mary.

What makes anybody think Duke, Stanford, Cal, UNC, UVA, GT, Notre Dame, etc would vote to add Memphis? That's almost as crazy as thinking the ACC would add ECU.

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(08-27-2023 09:21 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Had FSU joined the SEC instead of the ACC their history would have resembled Mississippi State more than Alabama.

We're all tired of their crowing. When the ACC needed to project strength, they were losing to FCS.

Absurd. You must have missed the 1990’s. FSU was better than any SEC program in that decade and by a solid margin. It wasn’t luck. They had elite talent on the roster year after year. So much so that it beat the SEC’s best program of the era (uf) 2 outta every 3 times they played. Steve Spurrier earned exactly 0 wins in Tallahassee as the ol’ ball coach. ZERO. Seriously…this is one of the worst posts I’ve read here in some time.

(08-28-2023 12:24 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 08:26 PM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  ....
Miami is a shell of its former self and if Norvell fails to produce FSU will head down the similar path of irrelevance.

Fortunately, the college football world has two guiding lights that will forever illuminate the path of eternal relevance:

Elon and William & Mary.

You've been decidedly more chipper lately. 9-23.

Hope so for you and Garnett and Blue and the rest of the Nole faithful around here.

(08-28-2023 07:10 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-28-2023 12:24 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 08:26 PM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  ....
Miami is a shell of its former self and if Norvell fails to produce FSU will head down the similar path of irrelevance.

Fortunately, the college football world has two guiding lights that will forever illuminate the path of eternal relevance:

Elon and William & Mary.

You've been decidedly more chipper lately. 9-23.

Hope so for you and Garnet and Blue and the rest of the Nole faithful around here.

From all of us, JR, thank you. One sometimes has to dish out a few etiquette lessons. However things turn out, we're glad to get into the arena and dare greatly.

(08-28-2023 12:24 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 08:26 PM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  ....
Miami is a shell of its former self and if Norvell fails to produce FSU will head down the similar path of irrelevance.

Fortunately, the college football world has two guiding lights that will forever illuminate the path of eternal relevance:

Elon and William & Mary.

I was wondering how long it would take someone with "P5 credentials" to make reference to Elon and W&M in a snarky fashion. Just cut the check and leave. I'm sure Burt Reynolds left enough $$$ in his Trust for y'all to do so.

(08-25-2023 03:34 PM)LeeNobody Wrote:  Counterpoint:

1) Expand with Stanford, Cal, and SMU
2) Expand with Football only Navy Air Force Army if it increases the pie slices for everyone and gets more games from ND(which ESPN will pay for)
3) Exercise the GOR on any potential teams leaving and distribute the buyouts at full value evenly
4) when B12 goes to market poach teams if the media right bubble has burst and ESPN only wants the some of the B12
5) setup for the movement that is to come in 2034

How about this: Add Army and Navy FB only. Keep all current planned annual partners as is for the 14 legacy schools. Assign annual partners for newbies as follows:

SMU...Army, Navy
Stanford...Navy, Cal (home), Cal (away)
Cal...Army, Stanford (home), Stanford (away)
Army...Navy, SMU, Cal
Navy...Army, SMU, Stanford

If Notre Dame continues to play Navy and Stanford, the ACC has TV rights when ND plays them on the road.