(08-25-2023 10:55 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:15 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 09:35 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 08:57 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The 4C aren't stepping up in conference like the 4 newbie schools. Everything is still raw and in flux. It will settle in soon....

well, the 4C are not actually in the conference yet...

and the freshman 4 haven't stepped up to anything yet... settling in may be a better term

They may not be in the conference yet but didn't they already contractually commit?

that's not the point, how can they "step up", when they're still playing in the Pac12, and a 2024 B12 schedule has not even been created?

Who's to even say if UU and BYU will even play each other annually or permanently?

Frankly, everybody (in the forum) should just settle down and stop falling for all the click bait nonsense stories that the lame Media types keep throwing out there.

Let us play this season, then move on to the next.

LOL. You fuss about other people's posts. Do you have the ability to understand the context of a post or do you take everything literally? There's a difference in how the new teams coming to this league may feel based on the experience of why they're leaving their respective conferences. I was adding to the discussion to the OP unlike you who just wants to make jabs.

is this really news though? every single member of the big 12 would love to be in the big 10 or SEC. but it takes two to tango and what makes this conference pretty stable isn't about what every single member WANTS, it's that we're more than likely NOT WANTED by those 2 conferences.

(08-25-2023 08:57 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 07:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 01:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  I don't really want to be THAT guy, but this interview happened and it sure seems clear that Kyle Whittingham doesn't think the Big 12 is long for their future. Starts at about 12:30 in the podcast.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/th...0625474982

This week he appeared on a local radio station and was asked about Utah and BYU now being in the same conference and having the rivalry game back "not just in the interim, but probably permanently".

Coach's response was "Well, first of all you used the word permanently I could say its far from that. I think in 2 to 3 maybe 5 years at the outside, everything is going to change again and so this may just be a quick couple years of the game returning and then everything is blown up again and people go their separate ways..."

Where is Utah going? MWC? The Big nor SEC are adding them. He must have booked a trip to Fantasy Island.

I am quickly joing the camp that says we should have taken only AZ and Co.

Not me. It's strength in numbers right now. ACC may add Stan/Cal/SMU. Going to 16 teams gives the B12 a solid block of schools to stay in the mix for relevance and have some say in things moving forward. The P12 was preferred by most of the schools but it broke apart from the B1G raid and poor leadership and vision. The 4C aren't stepping up in conference like the 4 newbie schools. Everything is still raw and in flux. It will settle in soon....

Is it really a bigger step up for the "newbies," though? Tulane beat USC. American over PAC-12.

Tulane is a very good football team , gonna miss playing them

(08-24-2023 01:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  I don't really want to be THAT guy, but this interview happened and it sure seems clear that Kyle Whittingham doesn't think the Big 12 is long for their future. Starts at about 12:30 in the podcast.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/th...0625474982

This week he appeared on a local radio station and was asked about Utah and BYU now being in the same conference and having the rivalry game back "not just in the interim, but probably permanently".

Coach's response was "Well, first of all you used the word permanently I could say its far from that. I think in 2 to 3 maybe 5 years at the outside, everything is going to change again and so this may just be a quick couple years of the game returning and then everything is blown up again and people go their separate ways..."

Nothing of a concern with his comments. Conferences will be in a state of flux for the next few years. Every school is trying to improve its program so that it may move up in this endless carnival called realignment. If the administrations are not taking steps to improve their programs for future realignment then they should be shown the front door.

(08-25-2023 11:57 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Tulane is a very good football team , gonna miss playing them

I know some folks in New Orleans, so it's too bad I can't take them to see UCF play Tulane anymore. But that's all right.

(08-25-2023 11:19 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. You fuss about other people's posts. Do you have the ability to understand the context of a post or do you take everything literally? There's a difference in how the new teams coming to this league may feel based on the experience of why they're leaving their respective conferences. I was adding to the discussion to the OP unlike you who just wants to make jabs.

sorry to offend you, I was simply in search of some intelligent conversation... and talking about what some bozo coach supposedly responded to some goofball click bait journalist just doesn't seem to do it for me.

I'm still trying to sort out whether this is going to be a site of legitimate discussion, or a site for simple minds to ponder deeply about conjecture.

(08-25-2023 12:23 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 11:19 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. You fuss about other people's posts. Do you have the ability to understand the context of a post or do you take everything literally? There's a difference in how the new teams coming to this league may feel based on the experience of why they're leaving their respective conferences. I was adding to the discussion to the OP unlike you who just wants to make jabs.

sorry to offend you, I was simply in search of some intelligent conversation... and talking about what some bozo coach supposedly responded to some goofball click bait journalist just doesn't seem to do it for me.

I'm still trying to sort out whether this is going to be a site of legitimate discussion, or a site for simple minds to ponder deeply about conjecture.

Here's a suggestion. I've been posting on CSNbbs for nearly 10 years. There's a wide variety of conference and topical boards with tons of different threads/topics. Try the College Realignment Board under the "Lounge" tab above if you want some deep analytics. If after reading some posts in a thread that you feel is beneath you or doesn't interest you, then don't post in the thread or make others feel wrong for their posts in that thread. I've seen posters come and go over the years and these boards will go on just fine no matter who is participating or not participating. Again, this thread started with a presupposition and most of us are responding accordingly. This thread was not on a fact-finding mission per se but more as a point for broader discussion. Makes perfect sense to me and obviously to others who have responded.

(08-25-2023 11:41 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 08:57 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 07:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Where is Utah going? MWC? The Big nor SEC are adding them. He must have booked a trip to Fantasy Island.

I am quickly joing the camp that says we should have taken only AZ and Co.

Not me. It's strength in numbers right now. ACC may add Stan/Cal/SMU. Going to 16 teams gives the B12 a solid block of schools to stay in the mix for relevance and have some say in things moving forward. The P12 was preferred by most of the schools but it broke apart from the B1G raid and poor leadership and vision. The 4C aren't stepping up in conference like the 4 newbie schools. Everything is still raw and in flux. It will settle in soon....

Is it really a bigger step up for the "newbies," though? Tulane beat USC. American over PAC-12.

Yes, from a brand strength, financial increase and bowl access there is no doubt. The 4C had that previously in the P12 more than us newbies did in the AAC. Again, it doesn't bother me because I'm just damn glad to be here and want my school to help this conference be the best it can be on and off the field. I know you guys are similar to us but our recruiting in football and hoops has already benefited. I'm still doing a double take on the conference hoops lineup that is really going to get attention in the coming years. Life is good!

I think you forgot to finish your thought.

(08-25-2023 11:57 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Tulane is a very good football team , gonna miss playing them...

...in front of maybe 15,000 people.

(08-25-2023 12:23 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 11:19 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. You fuss about other people's posts. Do you have the ability to understand the context of a post or do you take everything literally? There's a difference in how the new teams coming to this league may feel based on the experience of why they're leaving their respective conferences. I was adding to the discussion to the OP unlike you who just wants to make jabs.

sorry to offend you, I was simply in search of some intelligent conversation... and talking about what some bozo coach supposedly responded to some goofball click bait journalist just doesn't seem to do it for me.

I'm still trying to sort out whether this is going to be a site of legitimate discussion, or a site for simple minds to ponder deeply about conjecture.

Well, aren't you special?

(08-25-2023 01:12 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 11:41 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 08:57 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 07:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Where is Utah going? MWC? The Big nor SEC are adding them. He must have booked a trip to Fantasy Island.

I am quickly joing the camp that says we should have taken only AZ and Co.

Not me. It's strength in numbers right now. ACC may add Stan/Cal/SMU. Going to 16 teams gives the B12 a solid block of schools to stay in the mix for relevance and have some say in things moving forward. The P12 was preferred by most of the schools but it broke apart from the B1G raid and poor leadership and vision. The 4C aren't stepping up in conference like the 4 newbie schools. Everything is still raw and in flux. It will settle in soon....

Is it really a bigger step up for the "newbies," though? Tulane beat USC. American over PAC-12.

Yes, from a brand strength, financial increase and bowl access there is no doubt. The 4C had that previously in the P12 more than us newbies did in the AAC. Again, it doesn't bother me because I'm just damn glad to be here and want my school to help this conference be the best it can be on and off the field. I know you guys are similar to us but our recruiting in football and hoops has already benefited. I'm still doing a double take on the conference hoops lineup that is really going to get attention in the coming years. Life is good!

I was kidding. Yes, branding, more revenue, more big-name bowl games, the Big XII and the PAC-12 both have those advantages over the American. I'm glad to be in the Big XII also, and life is good, as you said. But I enjoyed our time in the American through thick and thin and have a lot of respect still for our former conference.

(08-25-2023 01:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 12:23 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 11:19 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. You fuss about other people's posts. Do you have the ability to understand the context of a post or do you take everything literally? There's a difference in how the new teams coming to this league may feel based on the experience of why they're leaving their respective conferences. I was adding to the discussion to the OP unlike you who just wants to make jabs.

sorry to offend you, I was simply in search of some intelligent conversation... and talking about what some bozo coach supposedly responded to some goofball click bait journalist just doesn't seem to do it for me.

I'm still trying to sort out whether this is going to be a site of legitimate discussion, or a site for simple minds to ponder deeply about conjecture.

Well, aren't you special?

Utah is way overtop of their skis. It would not surprise me if they come into the conference and become a bottom dweller in the next two or three years. They remind me of Pitt when we entered the Big East. Reasonably good recruiting classes but could not put it together on the field. I believe the new conference will have a higher level of intensity. The team that thinks they win on paper will get slapped around.

(08-25-2023 01:05 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Here's a suggestion. I've been posting on CSNbbs for nearly 10 years. There's a wide variety of conference and topical boards with tons of different threads/topics. Try the College Realignment Board under the "Lounge" tab above if you want some deep analytics. If after reading some posts in a thread that you feel is beneath you or doesn't interest you, then don't post in the thread or make others feel wrong for their posts in that thread. I've seen posters come and go over the years and these boards will go on just fine no matter who is participating or not participating. Again, this thread started with a presupposition and most of us are responding accordingly. This thread was not on a fact-finding mission per se but more as a point for broader discussion. Makes perfect sense to me and obviously to others who have responded.

I think I'll take your suggestion and move on.

I'll come back to check in occasionally, but you're right, there is nothing here for me on the CSNbbs conference talk board.

thanks for understanding

(08-26-2023 09:03 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 01:05 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Here's a suggestion. I've been posting on CSNbbs for nearly 10 years. There's a wide variety of conference and topical boards with tons of different threads/topics. Try the College Realignment Board under the "Lounge" tab above if you want some deep analytics. If after reading some posts in a thread that you feel is beneath you or doesn't interest you, then don't post in the thread or make others feel wrong for their posts in that thread. I've seen posters come and go over the years and these boards will go on just fine no matter who is participating or not participating. Again, this thread started with a presupposition and most of us are responding accordingly. This thread was not on a fact-finding mission per se but more as a point for broader discussion. Makes perfect sense to me and obviously to others who have responded.

I think I'll take your suggestion and move on.

I'll come back to check in occasionally, but you're right, there is nothing here for me on the CSNbbs conference talk board.

thanks for understanding

I disagree, hang around and give your opinion. Others need to get a thicker skin.

Some of our fans are absolutely full of themselves.

(08-26-2023 07:42 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Utah is way overtop of their skis. It would not surprise me if they come into the conference and become a bottom dweller in the next two or three years. They remind me of Pitt when we entered the Big East. Reasonably good recruiting classes but could not put it together on the field. I believe the new conference will have a higher level of intensity. The team that thinks they win on paper will get slapped around.

Seems more like you are reading way to much into the coaches comments and making it something that it isnt.

Yeah, I don't read the Utah coach's comments as a shot fired across the bow. There's been so much change over the past two years across college football and everyone's head is spinning. The PAC schools were hopeful to make it work and won't be playing some of their rivals anymore. I'm really excited about the potential of our league to be really good top to bottom in football. Hoops goes without saying. I'll wager the 4C will embrace the B16 once they are officially in and competing on the field.

Utah fans: You're reading too much into it. What he said isn't wrong.

Everyone else in the country: Wow, that's a pretty crazy thing for a head coach to say.

He was asked a question about the rivalry with BYU. BYU fans know he was just continuing his schtick of not referencing BYU. So his answer was an answer to the question, but only in a round-about way. To everyone else, not aware of his schtick, his answer came across as arrogance and odd indicating they believe they will be in the Big Ten soon. Can you imagine Saban answering a question about the Iron Bowl that way? Or Harbaugh answering a question about Ohio State that way? I know those teams are in different situations, but most people would just say "What a great rivalry for the fans and college football."

So Utah fans, you are right in a way. But I hope you can also understand why others not familiar with his attempts to never name BYU or reference them in any way came across here as very odd and they are just trying to make sense of it.