SicEm365 has an interactive dashboard showing how big each TV market is and how much each values CFB.

Interesting to play with and goes into analysis on ESPN, FOX, and the Pac4.

Looks to me like the Big XII messed up not taking Oregon State!!!

The problem is they go by metro, but how many local stations are on cable outside of the metro. Boise's stations's reach is much further than that being shown. For example. Where I live, we are not in the Little Rock, Fort Smith nor Fayetteville's tv markets. The map does not show us in the Little Rock's tv market, but those stations do claim us. Colorado Springs have two markets of Colorado Springs and Denver. I remember getting tv stations from both cities as a kid in Colorado Springs on Rabbit Ears. We watched the very first NASCAR race on tv there of the Daytona 500.

I'm calling BS on this. Any map that insinuates college football is bigger in NYC than Atlanta, Birmingham, or Nashville is DOA.

(08-24-2023 07:43 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I'm calling BS on this. Any map that insinuates college football is bigger in NYC than Atlanta, Birmingham, or Nashville is DOA.

Click on the link, the map showing is just pure population. You have to scroll down to see the college football interest:

(08-24-2023 07:43 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I'm calling BS on this. Any map that insinuates college football is bigger in NYC than Atlanta, Birmingham, or Nashville is DOA.

3% of New York metro's roughly 22,000,000 people is 660,000 people. 30% of Birmingham metro's 1.12 million people is 336,000 people.

I'm not saying that 3% or 30% are necessarily the corresponding percentages of population in those metros who like college football. I'm just saying that a small sliver of population of a ginormous metro can still be more people than a huge slice of a modest sized metro.

CFB is obviously dominant in Atlanta, Birmingham, and Nashville, while it's obscure in New York. That doesn't automatically mean New York doesn't still have a lot of CFB fans.

(08-24-2023 08:06 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 07:43 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I'm calling BS on this. Any map that insinuates college football is bigger in NYC than Atlanta, Birmingham, or Nashville is DOA.

3% of New York metro's roughly 22,000,000 people is 660,000 people. 30% of Birmingham metro's 1.12 million people is 336,000 people.

I'm not saying that 3% or 30% are necessarily the corresponding percentages of population in those metros who like college football. I'm just saying that a small sliver of population of a ginormous metro can still be more people than a huge slice of a modest sized metro.

CFB is obviously dominant in Atlanta, Birmingham, and Nashville, while it's obscure in New York. That doesn't automatically mean New York doesn't still have a lot of CFB fans.

I looked up a few interesting cities, didn't dig into methodology. If it is polling, I'm going to say CFB is my favorite. Doesn't mean I don't watch NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, and MLS. I suspect there are a lot of people in NYC market who get up on Saturday morning, don't see anything interesting and veg out to CFB who don't consider themselves CFB fans.

(08-24-2023 08:10 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:06 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 07:43 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I'm calling BS on this. Any map that insinuates college football is bigger in NYC than Atlanta, Birmingham, or Nashville is DOA.

3% of New York metro's roughly 22,000,000 people is 660,000 people. 30% of Birmingham metro's 1.12 million people is 336,000 people.

I'm not saying that 3% or 30% are necessarily the corresponding percentages of population in those metros who like college football. I'm just saying that a small sliver of population of a ginormous metro can still be more people than a huge slice of a modest sized metro.

CFB is obviously dominant in Atlanta, Birmingham, and Nashville, while it's obscure in New York. That doesn't automatically mean New York doesn't still have a lot of CFB fans.

I looked up a few interesting cities, didn't dig into methodology. If it is polling, I'm going to say CFB is my favorite. Doesn't mean I don't watch NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, and MLS. I suspect there are a lot of people in NYC market who get up on Saturday morning, don't see anything interesting and veg out to CFB who don't consider themselves CFB fans.

Yeah, it gives people an excuse to grill out, drink, go to the bar, socialize, etc. Or just lie around the couch and ignore their kids, lol.

(08-24-2023 07:53 AM)Barbershop Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 07:43 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I'm calling BS on this. Any map that insinuates college football is bigger in NYC than Atlanta, Birmingham, or Nashville is DOA.

Click on the link, the map showing is just pure population. You have to scroll down to see the college football interest:

Fair point

(08-24-2023 08:18 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 07:53 AM)Barbershop Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 07:43 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I'm calling BS on this. Any map that insinuates college football is bigger in NYC than Atlanta, Birmingham, or Nashville is DOA.

Click on the link, the map showing is just pure population. You have to scroll down to see the college football interest:

Fair point

It has each ahead on pure CFB interest.

New York is so massive that it eeks out one spot ahead of Nashville in total CFB fans but it’s well behind Birmingham and Atlanta.

(08-24-2023 12:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem is they go by metro, but how many local stations are on cable outside of the metro. Boise's stations's reach is much further than that being shown. For example. Where I live, we are not in the Little Rock, Fort Smith nor Fayetteville's tv markets. The map does not show us in the Little Rock's tv market, but those stations do claim us. Colorado Springs have two markets of Colorado Springs and Denver. I remember getting tv stations from both cities as a kid in Colorado Springs on Rabbit Ears. We watched the very first NASCAR race on tv there of the Daytona 500.

That map is showing dots on the metro areas, but the dots represent the entire market. Many, really most markets indeed extend into rural areas. DFW has about 30 counties in its market, most of which are not located in its metro area. You can be outside a metro area but be located within a market, or a DMA. DMAs (Designated Market Areas) are ranked by the estimated number of TVs in a market, no matter where in the market that TV is physically located.

DMAs are still generally mapped according to the range of old analog TV signals and cable penetration (for instance, those counties in Montana and Wyoming in the Denver market brought in Denver stations on cable years ago). Digital TV signals don't travel as far, so it's harder to pick up local channels over the air when you're farther from the transmitters.

These days, satellite and streaming providers bring in local channels based on location inside a DMA. Many cable companies located near a border between markets will bring in local channels from both markets. I once lived in a place located in the Tulsa DMA, but that also received signals from OKC via cable. However, a city or town technically resides in one market. Satellite and streaming generally provide one set of local channels, while cable systems may choose to bring in more than one, depending on location, cost, and network approval. Since local channels are now charging more to be distributed on cable, fewer cable systems are carrying stations from more than one market.

Here's an example of a DMA map:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3...p03351.png

(08-24-2023 08:25 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 12:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem is they go by metro, but how many local stations are on cable outside of the metro. Boise's stations's reach is much further than that being shown. For example. Where I live, we are not in the Little Rock, Fort Smith nor Fayetteville's tv markets. The map does not show us in the Little Rock's tv market, but those stations do claim us. Colorado Springs have two markets of Colorado Springs and Denver. I remember getting tv stations from both cities as a kid in Colorado Springs on Rabbit Ears. We watched the very first NASCAR race on tv there of the Daytona 500.

That map is showing dots on the metro areas, but the dots represent the entire market. Many, really most markets indeed extend into rural areas. DFW has about 30 counties in its market, most of which are not located in its metro area. You can be outside a metro area but be located within a market, or a DMA. DMAs (Designated Market Areas) are ranked by the estimated number of TVs in a market, no matter where in the market that TV is physically located.

DMAs are still generally mapped according to the range of old analog TV signals and cable penetration (for instance, those counties in Montana and Wyoming in the Denver market brought in Denver stations on cable years ago). Digital TV signals don't travel as far, so it's harder to pick up local channels over the air when you're farther from the transmitters.

These days, satellite and streaming providers bring in local channels based on location inside a DMA. Many cable companies located near a border between markets will bring in local channels from both markets. I once lived in a place located in the Tulsa DMA, but that also received signals from OKC via cable. However, a city or town technically resides in one market. Satellite and streaming generally provide one set of local channels, while cable systems may choose to bring in more than one, depending on location, cost, and network approval. Since local channels are now charging more to be distributed on cable, fewer cable systems are carrying stations from more than one market.

Here's an example of a DMA map:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3...p03351.png

My local station out of Little Rock covers the news from all over the state including Fayetteville and Fort Smith. As a kid living in Coeur D'Alene Idaho? We got both Boise and Spokane channels on our rabbit ears. Boise carries all the news in the state of Idaho even if Spokane claims that tv market. Spokane never covered and news out of Idaho when I was a kid living up there. That is why I said Boise's stations on in the past do cover areas that needed stations for broadcast like Eastern Oregon, Southeastern Washington, northern Nevada and parts of Montana. The local Fort Smith station is a sister station to the Little Rock station. They share reporters and news stories being reported on.

The question I've long wondered is, "Why is CFB so popular in the South, Texas, and, yes, the Midwest, but almost non existent in the Northeast, especially in New England and NYC?"

I get it why it's so popular here in the South. Why not in the NE?

Probably tied to the fact that Football was originally a preppy college-focused sport that Ivy-league kids played. It was around and popular amongst the educated/rich, but baseball was the sport of choice for the common man, with pro leagues around even back then. Once all the top schools in NE dropped down to FCS and NFL came around, people just switched over.

(08-24-2023 09:47 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The question I've long wondered is, "Why is CFB so popular in the South, Texas, and, yes, the Midwest, but almost non existent in the Northeast, especially in New England and NYC?"

I get it why it's so popular here in the South. Why not in the NE?

Football is popular in Boise, Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State and South Dakota State. It seems football is not really popular in the large tv markets. Stony Brook wanted to go FBS. They seemed to have more fan support for football than Fordham. I do wonder if they go to FBS they may get more fan support.

(08-24-2023 07:43 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I'm calling BS on this. Any map that insinuates college football is bigger in NYC than Atlanta, Birmingham, or Nashville is DOA.

Yikes, might want to revisit this.
Nashville population is 700,000, NYC is 10M.
Assuming Nashville 100% market penetration (it's not even close to that), a 7% market penetration in NYC gives one the same mark. Didn't you guys learn this stuff?

(08-24-2023 11:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:47 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The question I've long wondered is, "Why is CFB so popular in the South, Texas, and, yes, the Midwest, but almost non existent in the Northeast, especially in New England and NYC?"

I get it why it's so popular here in the South. Why not in the NE?

Football is popular in Boise, Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State and South Dakota State. It seems football is not really popular in the large tv markets. Stony Brook wanted to go FBS. They seemed to have more fan support for football than Fordham. I do wonder if they go to FBS they may get more fan support.

Dude, please trust me. Stony Brook has no support for football. Their support is for Math and Computer Science, that's it. Fordham had amazing turnouts last year for Football and Basketball but again no appetite for FBS. The appetite is to be thought of as an Ivy; the tuition price is already there now the Endowment and likelihood of top finance, consulting, and tech jobs need to increase.

(08-24-2023 11:57 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 11:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:47 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The question I've long wondered is, "Why is CFB so popular in the South, Texas, and, yes, the Midwest, but almost non existent in the Northeast, especially in New England and NYC?"

I get it why it's so popular here in the South. Why not in the NE?

Football is popular in Boise, Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State and South Dakota State. It seems football is not really popular in the large tv markets. Stony Brook wanted to go FBS. They seemed to have more fan support for football than Fordham. I do wonder if they go to FBS they may get more fan support.

Dude, please trust me. Stony Brook has no support for football. Their support is for Math and Computer Science, that's it. Fordham had amazing turnouts last year for Football and Basketball but again no appetite for FBS. The appetite is to be thought of as an Ivy; the tuition price is already there now the Endowment and likelihood of top finance, consulting, and tech jobs need to increase.

Not that I'm advocating Stony Brook to FBS, but I can see easily see Stony Brook getting more support for football than Fordham does, because of Fordham's near Ivy level academics, lower tuition, and the fact that Stony Brook is a co-flagship in the SUNY system. And, unlike Cornell, Scoochpooch, Fordham doesn't really try to aggressively recruit New Yorkers either.

(08-24-2023 09:47 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The question I've long wondered is, "Why is CFB so popular in the South, Texas, and, yes, the Midwest, but almost non existent in the Northeast, especially in New England and NYC?"

I get it why it's so popular here in the South. Why not in the NE?

Pro sports franchises.

Many small, private schools. No big "tent pole" popular local schools.

Previous big names deemphasized football.