(08-07-2023 03:27 PM)dblaze Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 02:49 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Won't get Stanford or Cal. May be able to get Wash St or Oregon St

If Stanford and Cal go to the ACC then Washington State and Oregon State will have to join AAC or the MW. With the additional travel and I question if those teams really worth it, unless it allows us to pull in someone from the MW (doubtful). in this case I wonder if they may not be a fit for the MW.

I too am glad that he's trying. We have some things going in our favor, in my opinion:

-The MWC has huge exit fees and that dissolution vote idea will not come easy, as Stanford and Cal really, really do not want to associate with some of the MWC schools. Those MWC programs most at-risk know who they are and will not sign things away so fast.
-The AAC programs most discussed will have second thoughts about joining an unstable PAC 4, knowing that all 4 will be out the door first chance they get. This, and the fact that their exit fees would be nearly as bad to leave on such a short notice. Factoring in the travel costs, would moving be a good idea?
-The ACC may not like the idea of a football-only relationship and they damn sure won't like the idea of taking a pay cut to add them as all-sport members. I really don't see how the PAC4 would add to the pie for the ACC teams even if the relationship were football-only in nature.
-The AAC can offer them more money and better exposure than the MWC, based on what we know now. IF FOX and CBS come to the table with a better offer, then I feel confident that Cal, Oregon State and Washington State would join the MWC. Stanford would go indy and forgo CFP money or join with us in a football-only capacity, be given the freedom of making their own conference schedule for the most part if I were to guess) and have better access to the playoff.
-PAC4 football-only is the way to go. I bet that they could make more money as a football-only in the AAC with their Olympics in the Big West than they would "all in" with the MWC OR with a football-only relationship with the MWC.

(08-07-2023 02:49 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Won't get Stanford or Cal. May be able to get Wash St or Oregon St

Then go after Boise and SDSU. They'll have no where else to go. We'll be at 18 coast to coast with two more spots to play with. Do it Mikey!

(08-07-2023 03:27 PM)dblaze Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 02:49 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Won't get Stanford or Cal. May be able to get Wash St or Oregon St

If Stanford and Cal go to the ACC then Washington State and Oregon State will have to join AAC or the MW. With the additional travel and I question if those teams really worth it, unless it allows us to pull in someone from the MW (doubtful). in this case I wonder if they may not be a fit for the MW.

Yeah well the top programs aren't happy with the situation we're in now. I'd suggest getting onboard and try and stop the revolving door. Otherwise the AAC could end up being CUSA.

If you think like losers you'll be losers. Bring in at least Oregon State and Washington State. Where else can they go. The B12 has already said no. Ya think they want to spend the rest of their lives in Laramie Wyoming.

Get them and you can get Boise, SDSU, CSU, and Air Force. If we have to wait a couple years for the MWC guys, so be it.

The AAC will be a conference again. Better than ever. Coast to coast...The American.

(08-07-2023 02:21 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  The Pacific Atlantic Conference....The PAC.

How about the A&P?

No way in the world can the AAC add the Pac 4. They are reportedly talking to the ACC now. See the other thread.

(08-07-2023 02:49 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Won't get Stanford or Cal. May be able to get Wash St or Oregon St

Agree with you Bullsfan. Those two maybe would be more open if we added travel partners. I say try to build a whole west wing. Go for Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego State, Boise State, Colorado State, and AFA.

Wow! That’s a lot of states.

Get us to 20 schools. If we lose more schools later, it won’t sting as much.

Just some thoughts. Agree though. No way we pull Stanford and Cal.

it's not MWC vs AAC it's CBS/Fox vs ESPN...nothing we can do but sit back and watch.

Today Jon Wilner (San Jose Mercury) suggests this, if Cal & Stanford don't go to the BiG or ACC:

Quote:If the four schools decide to rebuild the Pac-12, they must add at least two members in order to become an officially recognized conference by the NCAA.

But a conference of six schools doesn’t work for a variety of reasons, with scheduling atop the list. The Pac-12 would need at least four schools, and perhaps six, to become viable.

The Pac-4 could attempt to lure a handful of schools from the Mountain West, with an emphasis on media value and football success.

But the schools should think bigger, both in numbers and in scope. In our view, they should add schools from the American Athletic Conference and form a 10-team league.

In addition to a combination of San Diego State, Fresno State, Colorado State and Boise State from the Mountain West, why not add SMU, Rice and Tulane from the American?

All three are top-notch academic schools, which shouldn’t be a consideration at this point but probably is for Stanford and Cal.

SMU and Rice are located in major markets, Dallas and Houston, respectively, while Tulane extends the footprint to New Orleans. (Also, the Green Wave just beat USC in the Cotton Bowl.)

Earlier in the article, Wilner wrote:

Quote:If the four schools opt to rebuild, they must first identify the resources available for the project.

How much cash resides in the Pac-12’s emergency reserves?

How much debt will remain at the end of the 2023-24 fiscal year? What are the liabilities?

And critically: Do they have the authority, as the remaining members of the Pac-12, to withhold any forthcoming revenue distributions from the eight outgoing schools?

The conference will generate more than $500 million in the 2024 fiscal year from broadcast contracts, the NCAA Tournament and the College Football Playoff.

The general counsels from the four schools will undoubtedly comb through the bylaws and budget this week.

Much rests on the amount of cash available, which could be used to help new members pay the departure penalties from their current conferences.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/08/07/p...ft-behind/

The PAC4 don't have any exit fees coming in from the departing 6 schools, do they? And we know they don't have a media deal to sell expansion candidates. So rebuilding is not very likely, especially when factoring in the exit fees any new addition would have to pay out. So, while it seems unlikely that the PAC4 would land in either the MWC or AAC, it is the logical outcome based on their circumstances. I personally believe Aresco to the be the better commissioner, with the better product to sell those PAC programs. So, if this situation follows recent events, Friday could be a great day for the AAC.

(08-07-2023 07:07 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  The PAC4 don't have any exit fees coming in from the departing 6 schools, do they? And we know they don't have a media deal to sell expansion candidates. So rebuilding is not very likely, especially when factoring in the exit fees any new addition would have to pay out. So, while it seems unlikely that the PAC4 would land in either the MWC or AAC, it is the logical outcome based on their circumstances. I personally believe Aresco to the be the better commissioner, with the better product to sell those PAC programs. So, if this situation follows recent events, Friday could be a great day for the AAC.

I hope you know something that we don't.

(08-07-2023 06:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  No way in the world can the AAC add the Pac 4. They are reportedly talking to the ACC now. See the other thread.

So let em talk. They talked to the B12 the B10 and now the ACC. It makes sense they start at top and work their way down. Personally I hope they take Cal/Stanford. It will be a lot easier to get the other two and backfill with the MWC when we can.

(08-07-2023 07:18 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 06:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  No way in the world can the AAC add the Pac 4. They are reportedly talking to the ACC now. See the other thread.

So let em talk. They talked to the B12 the B10 and now the ACC. It makes sense they start at top and work their way down. Personally I hope they take Cal/Stanford. It will be a lot easier to get the other two and backfill with the MWC when we can.

I'm with you 100%. This can happen and in fact, athletically-speaking we will be much better off by doing the following (in lieu of adding Cal and Stanford):

(1) Add Oregon State and Washington State as football-only members. They at least temporarily put their Olympic sports in the Big West.
(2) Once the MWC's media deal is up, ask both of them who they would like to add for an all-sports membership. They will probably want to stay as close to home as possible so I would think that they'll go for Fresno State, SJSU, UNLV, Nevada, Utah State, Boise State, Colorado State and Air Force. (I am leaving SDSU off this list because they may wind up in the B12... with UConn?)

This would give us the "best of the rest" conference and at the very least ensure that we are the 6th best conference each year. Maybe we can even work out a scheduling arrangement with the WCC, Big West and A10 for Olympic sports.

I am hoping that Aresco and our school presidents are thinking out-of-the-box on these matters. At the end of the day, that might be our saving grace.

It would be the ultimate power play if Washington State and Oregon State hopped over the MWC to join The American, particularly after shutting them out of Texas with the Texas 4. That would solidify us as the best mid-major conference in America, and the #5 conference overall. It makes us desirable to their members. I think it's a long shot. But you never know.

Memphis Yankee, I have to say you are a breath of fresh air. The hope and excitement is palpable in this thread.

Now you tell me who will show more solidarity between us and MWC? Go to their forums. They are holding tight, and enough of us have have gone through enough and lot their self worth.

SMU forums trash aac want to be in a reworked pac4.

Ecu fans are resorting to be in the sbc because they give up and want to be with upstarts.
There is a lot of values here. Gonzaga, Boise Colorado state air force, army. The pac 4.
They want to see cohesiveness and they need that. Sign the damn AAC Got fellas, NOW. Show that, screw the liars and frauds of the p5. P5??? How when one is destroyed? We were p6 entire time. The mettle of the AAC wil be tested soon, mark my words, but I hope we get the pac 4 and sdsu and Boise.

SDSU and Boise were always destined to be here and so were air force and Colorado state. Our expansion with mwc failed because they believed in the lies of the pac of a future. Sign the GOR, more money for all of us, use an athletics achievement disbursement, and each one of us doubles our money. Garuntee it

(08-07-2023 01:35 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  At least we are talking and discussed. Anyone hear anything from SBC, CUSA, or the MAC? :D

The SBC is good ?

(08-07-2023 07:47 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  Memphis Yankee, I have to say you are a breath of fresh air. The hope and excitement is palpable in this thread.

Now you tell me who will show more solidarity between us and MWC? Go to their forums. They are holding tight, and enough of us have have gone through enough and lot their self worth.

SMU forums trash aac want to be in a reworked pac4.

Ecu fans are resorting to be in the sbc because they give up and want to be with upstarts.
There is a lot of values here. Gonzaga, Boise Colorado state air force, army. The pac 4.
They want to see cohesiveness and they need that. Sign the damn AAC Got fellas, NOW. Show that, screw the liars and frauds of the p5. P5??? How when one is destroyed? We were p6 entire time. The mettle of the AAC wil be tested soon, mark my words, but I hope we get the pac 4 and sdsu and Boise.

SDSU and Boise were always destined to be here and so were air force and Colorado state. Our expansion with mwc failed because they believed in the lies of the pac of a future. Sign the GOR, more money for all of us, use an athletics achievement disbursement, and each one of us doubles our money. Garuntee it

In fairness, there are just as many ECU fans dissing the Sunbelt conference as there are people who seem to favor it. The truth is that their eastern flank's proximity to ECU does offer some advantages but their overall goals do not.

Let's make the AAC the best we can and hope for the best. Personally I would rather be associated with schools who are always looking to move up and not have others move down to them, if that makes any sense.

Stanford and Cal to the ACC? This could work. They're arguing whether the ACC giving Cal/Stanford reach over the MWC. AAC has by far more reach than the MWC. They think ACC won't give them a full share. Mike needs to be a shark in the water.




So they can go to the Mountain West or go to the AAC and get exposure. Play Wyoming or play SMU Rice and USF.

Rumors are flying, OSU fan hearing it's a good possibility

https://twitter.com/OS_Beaver/status/168...-aVuQ&s=19

West
Boise St
Colorado St
North Texas
Oregon St
Rice
SDSU
SMU
UNLV
UTSA
Washington St

East
Charlotte
East Carolina
FAU
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple
Tulane
Tulsa
UAB

Standford today seems like a destabilizing force and unreliable to whomever they temporarily choose to associate with. The other 3 are largely irrelevant even moreso. They've just been taken down so far in the past two weeks that it has not sunk in what the new reality is. They certainly have some merit, but nothing like just a few weeks ago, and truth is no one really needs them as they are today, though certainly some could use them for a while, as long as they understand its temporary, and will just as likely leave them in even worse positions than they came from when Stanford inevitably bolts away form them after awhile, leaving them wishing they'd never thrown in their lot with them. Is a school like Rice dumb enough to take that bait? 60+ years of mostly unexplainably stupid athletic decisions says heck yes they are. Would be sad to see, but not totally unlikely at this point. Seems better to stay where we are and wait for the ACC to divide up and make hay with them and perhaps a few extraneous BiG or even SEC schools if/when they are cut loose (Rice in a conference with Ga Tech, Dukie, Wake, Ole Missed/MSU/Vandy and say Purdue/N'wstern along with Tulane, SMU and maybe even Tulsa that stays away from any West Coast boondoggle would be worthwhile, for instance.)