(08-04-2023 01:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Just amazing. There hasn't been a realignment shockwave like this since the breakup of the Southwest Conference. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah likely announce their intentions to leave by the end of the day. I don't know what's on Aresco's mind, but I'm confident he isn't sitting around.

The PAC4 are going to have to figure out their future. Oregon State and Washington State are good fits for the MWC. Stanford and Cal are altogether different. As difficult as it would be, they may go independent.

The American could have some appeal to them if they want more exposure in this part of the country and affiliations with other private institutions. I don't know. I'm not going to even try to guess what will happen.

It looks like The American and MWC are about to win big. Barring an unforseen chain of events, we both survived unscathed, and maybe even stronger. It's about time a couple mid major conferences came out on top in realignment.

the pac 12 still has valuable assets (like bowl ties ins), land will still ikely have a higher payout than the mwc and aac (though less exposure)

this is like when the big east crumbled and only 3 members remained they still, raided a decent c-usa

So if they lose Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State in addition to Washington and Oregon, you genuinely believe they'll get a media deal worth more than the AAC?

Depends, doesn't it?

If Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU cobble together programs from the MWC, or MWC/AAC, it could potentially still draw more money than current AAC contract. Stanford is a big brand and TV networks like being in the San Fran area.

If it's just WSU and OSU on an island without the Bay Area teams, then no way. They'd basically just be absorbed into the MWC.

(08-04-2023 12:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Just amazing. There hasn't been a realignment shockwave like this since the breakup of the Southwest Conference. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah likely announce their intentions to leave by the end of the day. I don't know what's on Aresco's mind, but I'm confident he isn't sitting around.

The PAC4 are going to have to figure out their future. Oregon State and Washington State are good fits for the MWC. Stanford and Cal are altogether different. As difficult as it would be, they may go independent.

The American could have some appeal to them if they want more exposure in this part of the country and affiliations with other private institutions. I don't know. I'm not going to even try to guess what will happen.

It looks like The American and MWC are about to win big. Barring an unforseen chain of events, we both survived unscathed, and maybe even stronger. It's about time a couple mid major conferences came out on top in realignment.

the pac 12 still has valuable assets (like bowl ties ins), land will still ikely have a higher payout than the mwc and aac (though less exposure)

this is like when the big east crumbled and only 3 members remained they still, raided a decent c-usa

It is exactly like that. With one exception, Big East got Aresco, PAC has GK.

PAC will still be just fine if they can squeeze through this keyhole and get “the vision thing” figured out Big East ==> American Athletic wrote the book on how to do that.
There is still enough left of the PAC (as of 11:05 PT Friday anyway) to follow that script and pull through to (re)build a league worth being a part of.

(08-04-2023 01:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Just amazing. There hasn't been a realignment shockwave like this since the breakup of the Southwest Conference. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah likely announce their intentions to leave by the end of the day. I don't know what's on Aresco's mind, but I'm confident he isn't sitting around.

The PAC4 are going to have to figure out their future. Oregon State and Washington State are good fits for the MWC. Stanford and Cal are altogether different. As difficult as it would be, they may go independent.

The American could have some appeal to them if they want more exposure in this part of the country and affiliations with other private institutions. I don't know. I'm not going to even try to guess what will happen.

It looks like The American and MWC are about to win big. Barring an unforseen chain of events, we both survived unscathed, and maybe even stronger. It's about time a couple mid major conferences came out on top in realignment.

the pac 12 still has valuable assets (like bowl ties ins), land will still ikely have a higher payout than the mwc and aac (though less exposure)

this is like when the big east crumbled and only 3 members remained they still, raided a decent c-usa

So if they lose Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State in addition to Washington and Oregon, you genuinely believe they'll get a media deal worth more than the AAC?

I think the entire AAC + Stanford, Cal, WSU, OSU merging under the PAC name could get a $$ bump.

I think this news and the impending Arizona move to the Big12 seals the PAC's fate. The PAC will certainly die.

Arizona St. & Utah can't afford to be left behind and rebuild the PAC into a G conference. Now, they have to leave for the Big12 too. Stanford and Cal will either get invitations to the B1G or go independent. And, Oregon State & Washington State don't have enough stroke to get any MWC or AAC programs to pay their exit fees just to join them. I doubt those two can afford to go independent, so they will have to find a home in either the MWC or AAC. Personally, I think the AAC's conference payout and media exposure, gives the AAC the edge. But, I'm not sure it's worth the hassle to add either. The PAC is done.

(08-04-2023 01:05 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Just amazing. There hasn't been a realignment shockwave like this since the breakup of the Southwest Conference. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah likely announce their intentions to leave by the end of the day. I don't know what's on Aresco's mind, but I'm confident he isn't sitting around.

The PAC4 are going to have to figure out their future. Oregon State and Washington State are good fits for the MWC. Stanford and Cal are altogether different. As difficult as it would be, they may go independent.

The American could have some appeal to them if they want more exposure in this part of the country and affiliations with other private institutions. I don't know. I'm not going to even try to guess what will happen.

It looks like The American and MWC are about to win big. Barring an unforseen chain of events, we both survived unscathed, and maybe even stronger. It's about time a couple mid major conferences came out on top in realignment.

the pac 12 still has valuable assets (like bowl ties ins), land will still ikely have a higher payout than the mwc and aac (though less exposure)

this is like when the big east crumbled and only 3 members remained they still, raided a decent c-usa

So if they lose Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State in addition to Washington and Oregon, you genuinely believe they'll get a media deal worth more than the AAC?

Depends, doesn't it?

If Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU cobble together programs from the MWC, or MWC/AAC, it could potentially still draw more money than current AAC contract. Stanford is a big brand and TV networks like being in the San Fran area.

If it's just WSU and OSU on an island without the Bay Area teams, then no way. They'd basically just be absorbed into the MWC.

Lots of uncertainty, but exceeding our current media deal would likely require a very specific set of circumstances and still relegate the PAC to a subscription-based streaming reality.

(08-04-2023 01:07 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 12:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Just amazing. There hasn't been a realignment shockwave like this since the breakup of the Southwest Conference. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah likely announce their intentions to leave by the end of the day. I don't know what's on Aresco's mind, but I'm confident he isn't sitting around.

The PAC4 are going to have to figure out their future. Oregon State and Washington State are good fits for the MWC. Stanford and Cal are altogether different. As difficult as it would be, they may go independent.

The American could have some appeal to them if they want more exposure in this part of the country and affiliations with other private institutions. I don't know. I'm not going to even try to guess what will happen.

It looks like The American and MWC are about to win big. Barring an unforseen chain of events, we both survived unscathed, and maybe even stronger. It's about time a couple mid major conferences came out on top in realignment.

the pac 12 still has valuable assets (like bowl ties ins), land will still ikely have a higher payout than the mwc and aac (though less exposure)

this is like when the big east crumbled and only 3 members remained they still, raided a decent c-usa

So if they lose Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State in addition to Washington and Oregon, you genuinely believe they'll get a media deal worth more than the AAC?

I think the entire AAC + Stanford, Cal, WSU, OSU merging under the PAC name could get a $$ bump.

That would be an interesting turn of events. I wonder who would be willing to pick up that tab. Perhaps a bidding war is initiated between ESPN and Apple to the benefit of the conference.

(08-04-2023 01:07 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I think this news and the impending Arizona move to the Big12 seals the PAC's fate. The PAC will certainly die.

Arizona St. & Utah can't afford to be left behind and rebuild the PAC into a G conference. Now, they have to leave for the Big12 too. Stanford and Cal will either get invitations to the B1G or go independent. And, Oregon State & Washington State don't have enough stroke to get any MWC or AAC programs to pay their exit fees just to join them. I doubt those two can afford to go independent, so they will have to find a home in either the MWC or AAC. Personally, I think the AAC's conference payout and media exposure, gives the AAC the edge. But, I'm not sure it's worth the hassle to add either. The PAC is done.

Is it a foregone conclusion that the B12 will extend the invitation at this stage?

I'm hoping Aresco is already on the phone with CSU, Boise St, Air Force and Army.

Almost sounds like the options just opened up wide for the B12 and ASU and Utah aren't automagically in.

(08-04-2023 01:12 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I'm hoping Aresco is already on the phone with CSU, Boise St, Air Force and Army.

He'd do better to be on the phone with Stanford (who will determine the PAC fate) to attempt an AAC merger with the PAC. I don't see a Stanford association with the MWC but they might be willing to associate with the AAC membership given it's AAU & R1 schools. And I say Stanford (& Cal) because they are the remaining PAC value (WSU & OSU come with the PKG) & could facilitate that merger of 4 PAC schools + 14 AAC schools & (maybe a couple of MWC schools) under the PAC name & Aresco as commissioner. No exit fees for the AAC & better value in a true coast to coast conference.

(08-04-2023 01:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:12 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I'm hoping Aresco is already on the phone with CSU, Boise St, Air Force and Army.

He'd do better to be on the phone with Stanford (who will determine the PAC fate) to attempt an AAC merger with the PAC. I don't see a Stanford association with the MWC but they might be willing to associate with the AAC membership given it's AAU & R1 schools. And I say Stanford (& Cal) because they are the remaining PAC value (WSU & OSU come with the PKG) & could facilitate that merger of 4 PAC schools + 14 AAC schools & (maybe a couple of MWC schools) under the PAC name & Aresco as commissioner. No exit fees for the AAC & better value in a true coast to coast conference.

That's more optimism than I can muster.

(08-04-2023 01:45 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:12 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I'm hoping Aresco is already on the phone with CSU, Boise St, Air Force and Army.

He'd do better to be on the phone with Stanford (who will determine the PAC fate) to attempt an AAC merger with the PAC. I don't see a Stanford association with the MWC but they might be willing to associate with the AAC membership given it's AAU & R1 schools. And I say Stanford (& Cal) because they are the remaining PAC value (WSU & OSU come with the PKG) & could facilitate that merger of 4 PAC schools + 14 AAC schools & (maybe a couple of MWC schools) under the PAC name & Aresco as commissioner. No exit fees for the AAC & better value in a true coast to coast conference.

That's more optimism than I can muster.

Not saying it will happen but I believe it more plausible to Stanford than an association with the MWC.

(08-04-2023 01:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:12 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I'm hoping Aresco is already on the phone with CSU, Boise St, Air Force and Army.

He'd do better to be on the phone with Stanford (who will determine the PAC fate) to attempt an AAC merger with the PAC. I don't see a Stanford association with the MWC but they might be willing to associate with the AAC membership given it's AAU & R1 schools. And I say Stanford (& Cal) because they are the remaining PAC value (WSU & OSU come with the PKG) & could facilitate that merger of 4 PAC schools + 14 AAC schools & (maybe a couple of MWC schools) under the PAC name & Aresco as commissioner. No exit fees for the AAC & better value in a true coast to coast conference.

I'm not sure Stanford or California would want to be associated with low academic standard schools like Charlotte.

#P6

(08-04-2023 02:05 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:12 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I'm hoping Aresco is already on the phone with CSU, Boise St, Air Force and Army.

He'd do better to be on the phone with Stanford (who will determine the PAC fate) to attempt an AAC merger with the PAC. I don't see a Stanford association with the MWC but they might be willing to associate with the AAC membership given it's AAU & R1 schools. And I say Stanford (& Cal) because they are the remaining PAC value (WSU & OSU come with the PKG) & could facilitate that merger of 4 PAC schools + 14 AAC schools & (maybe a couple of MWC schools) under the PAC name & Aresco as commissioner. No exit fees for the AAC & better value in a true coast to coast conference.

I'm not sure Stanford or California would want to be associated with low academic standard schools like Charlotte.

#P6

Oh! What a hoot! EZU fans have jokes.

(08-04-2023 01:47 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:45 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:12 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I'm hoping Aresco is already on the phone with CSU, Boise St, Air Force and Army.

He'd do better to be on the phone with Stanford (who will determine the PAC fate) to attempt an AAC merger with the PAC. I don't see a Stanford association with the MWC but they might be willing to associate with the AAC membership given it's AAU & R1 schools. And I say Stanford (& Cal) because they are the remaining PAC value (WSU & OSU come with the PKG) & could facilitate that merger of 4 PAC schools + 14 AAC schools & (maybe a couple of MWC schools) under the PAC name & Aresco as commissioner. No exit fees for the AAC & better value in a true coast to coast conference.

That's more optimism than I can muster.

Not saying it will happen but I believe it more plausible to Stanford than an association with the MWC.

Not a bad looking scenario.
Certainly there won’t be a full MWC/PAC “merger” as some have suggested, as long as Stanford/Cal are involved.

20 total
Pacific PAC 4 + SDSU
Mountain CSU SMU Rice UNT UTSA
Central Tulsa Memphis UAB Tulane Navy/Wichita
East Temple ECU USF FAU Charlotte