Schadenfruede is what I am experiencing when I think of the plight of Stanford, Cal, WSU and OSU. I hope they enjoy their new MW conference mates.

95%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac(where they always wanted to be), and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers. And then due to circumstances beyond their control, they suddenly find themselves with no choice but to join a conference with the likes of Cincinatti, Houston, UCF, etc..... minor programs that are thousands of miles from them and they have no historical ties with. I mean of course they are upset.......the fact that they didn't have any other choice due to how things played out doesn't make them any less upset.

Right now most Utah fans want to take the same approach that they did before and after they joined the pac- they are going to try to continue to raise the profile of *their* program, continue winning, and continue building their program so that *if* the bigten does take another bite at the apple to go to 24 that they are going to do everything they can to put themselves in that position. And no....they aren't there yet and that's why Or/Wash are going and they aren't. But given their trajectory over the last couple decades, I wouldn't neccessarily bet against them one day getting out of this conference(that they don't want to be in) either.....

(08-04-2023 10:21 PM)rolltide79 Wrote:  95%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac(where they always wanted to be), and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers. And then due to circumstances beyond their control, they suddenly find themselves with no choice but to join a conference with the likes of Cincinatti, Houston, UCF, etc..... minor programs that are thousands of miles from them and they have no historical ties with. I mean of course they are upset.......the fact that they didn't have any other choice due to how things played out doesn't make them any less upset.

Right now most Utah fans want to take the same approach that they did before and after they joined the pac- they are going to try to continue to raise the profile of *their* program, continue winning, and continue building their program so that *if* the bigten does take another bite at the apple to go to 24 that they are going to do everything they can to put themselves in that position. And no....they aren't there yet and that's why Or/Wash are going and they aren't. But given their trajectory over the last couple decades, I wouldn't neccessarily bet against them one day getting out of this conference(that they don't want to be in) either.....

we get it your a utah fan no need to make a fake account.
if my Commish was an idiot and conference mates shot down every attempt to improve themselves leaving me with no other option but to walk to the B12 with my tail between my legs id be mad too.

(08-04-2023 10:21 PM)rolltide79 Wrote:  95%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac(where they always wanted to be), and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers. And then due to circumstances beyond their control, they suddenly find themselves with no choice but to join a conference with the likes of Cincinatti, Houston, UCF, etc..... minor programs that are thousands of miles from them and they have no historical ties with. I mean of course they are upset.......the fact that they didn't have any other choice due to how things played out doesn't make them any less upset.

Right now most Utah fans want to take the same approach that they did before and after they joined the pac- they are going to try to continue to raise the profile of *their* program, continue winning, and continue building their program so that *if* the bigten does take another bite at the apple to go to 24 that they are going to do everything they can to put themselves in that position. And no....they aren't there yet and that's why Or/Wash are going and they aren't. But given their trajectory over the last couple decades, I wouldn't neccessarily bet against them one day getting out of this conference(that they don't want to be in) either.....

Those Utah fans need to shut the hell up and remember where they came from when knocking UH, UCF, BYU, and Cincy.

I mean for as much a they complained about the XII being "low IQ", they sure are making some really stupid sounding comments. And nothing sounds more stupid than them acting like they're some historic blue bloods. LOL

Wait till they start getting their asses kicked by these low IQ teams, that's really gonna sting.

(08-04-2023 01:56 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:34 PM)Endeavor. Wrote:  Our soon to be conference mates

Well it looks like they're past stage 1 (denial) of "grief", and combining stages 2 and 3 together (anger and bargaining).

Depression and acceptance (stages 4 & 5) should be wrapped up by the end of next week at this pace.

(08-04-2023 10:21 PM)rolltide79 Wrote:  95%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac(where they always wanted to be), and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers. And then due to circumstances beyond their control, they suddenly find themselves with no choice but to join a conference with the likes of Cincinatti, Houston, UCF, etc..... minor programs that are thousands of miles from them and they have no historical ties with. I mean of course they are upset.......the fact that they didn't have any other choice due to how things played out doesn't make them any less upset.

Right now most Utah fans want to take the same approach that they did before and after they joined the pac- they are going to try to continue to raise the profile of *their* program, continue winning, and continue building their program so that *if* the bigten does take another bite at the apple to go to 24 that they are going to do everything they can to put themselves in that position. And no....they aren't there yet and that's why Or/Wash are going and they aren't. But given their trajectory over the last couple decades, I wouldn't neccessarily bet against them one day getting out of this conference(that they don't want to be in) either.....

Sounds like 95% of Big 12 fans do not want UTAH. We do not want to play in the mountains. I have been to Salt Lake and never want to return. If you do not want to be here, just go Indy!

(08-04-2023 10:21 PM)rolltide79 Wrote:  95%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac(where they always wanted to be), and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers. And then due to circumstances beyond their control, they suddenly find themselves with no choice but to join a conference with the likes of Cincinatti, Houston, UCF, etc..... minor programs that are thousands of miles from them and they have no historical ties with. I mean of course they are upset.......the fact that they didn't have any other choice due to how things played out doesn't make them any less upset.

Right now most Utah fans want to take the same approach that they did before and after they joined the pac- they are going to try to continue to raise the profile of *their* program, continue winning, and continue building their program so that *if* the bigten does take another bite at the apple to go to 24 that they are going to do everything they can to put themselves in that position. And no....they aren't there yet and that's why Or/Wash are going and they aren't. But given their trajectory over the last couple decades, I wouldn't neccessarily bet against them one day getting out of this conference(that they don't want to be in) either.....

"Minor programs?" LOL UCF beat Alabama in their own homecoming game back in 2000 when Alabama had 18 starters back from an SEC championship team and UCF was still adjusting to playing at the FBS level. And by the way, in bowl games against SEC opponents, UCF has a 3-2 record that includes wins over Georgia, Auburn, and Florida. The two losses were to Mississippi State and LSU, each by only one score. Two of these bowl games (including the win over Georgia) were played when we were in Conference USA.

Furthermore, UCF has a pair of wins over Alabama in men's basketball, one in Orlando and one in Tuscaloosa. In baseball, we swept Alabama 3-0 once in Orlando and then won 2 of 3 games against the Tide in Tuscaloosa.

You've got ZERO basis to be calling UCF a "minor program." Give up while you're still behind.

Utah fans will be fine with the Big XII. I understand them not enjoying the PAC-12 breaking up. UCF fans have been there, done that. But once the Utes get some conference games in starting in 2024 (maybe even before that), everything will be fine for them.

(08-07-2023 10:47 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:21 PM)rolltide79 Wrote:  95%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac(where they always wanted to be), and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers. And then due to circumstances beyond their control, they suddenly find themselves with no choice but to join a conference with the likes of Cincinatti, Houston, UCF, etc..... minor programs that are thousands of miles from them and they have no historical ties with. I mean of course they are upset.......the fact that they didn't have any other choice due to how things played out doesn't make them any less upset.

Right now most Utah fans want to take the same approach that they did before and after they joined the pac- they are going to try to continue to raise the profile of *their* program, continue winning, and continue building their program so that *if* the bigten does take another bite at the apple to go to 24 that they are going to do everything they can to put themselves in that position. And no....they aren't there yet and that's why Or/Wash are going and they aren't. But given their trajectory over the last couple decades, I wouldn't neccessarily bet against them one day getting out of this conference(that they don't want to be in) either.....

"Minor programs?" LOL UCF beat Alabama in their own homecoming game back in 2000 when Alabama had 18 starters back from an SEC championship team and UCF was still adjusting to playing at the FBS level. And by the way, in bowl games against SEC opponents, UCF has a 3-2 record that includes wins over Georgia, Auburn, and Florida. The two losses were to Mississippi State and LSU, each by only one score. Two of these bowl games (including the win over Georgia) were played when we were in Conference USA.

Furthermore, UCF has a pair of wins over Alabama in men's basketball, one in Orlando and one in Tuscaloosa. In baseball, we swept Alabama 3-0 once in Orlando and then won 2 of 3 games against the Tide in Tuscaloosa. You've got ZERO basis to be calling UCF a "minor program." Give up while you're still behind.

Utah fans will be fine with the Big XII. I understand them not enjoying the PAC-12 breaking up. UCF fans have been there, done that. But once the Utes get some conference games in starting in 2024 (maybe even before that), everything will be fine for them.

And Utah knows that the path to a conference/national championship is now going to be harder. They were just starting to assert themselves as a perennial PAC champion.

(08-07-2023 11:06 PM)Newpoke Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 10:47 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:21 PM)rolltide79 Wrote:  95%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac(where they always wanted to be), and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers. And then due to circumstances beyond their control, they suddenly find themselves with no choice but to join a conference with the likes of Cincinatti, Houston, UCF, etc..... minor programs that are thousands of miles from them and they have no historical ties with. I mean of course they are upset.......the fact that they didn't have any other choice due to how things played out doesn't make them any less upset.

Right now most Utah fans want to take the same approach that they did before and after they joined the pac- they are going to try to continue to raise the profile of *their* program, continue winning, and continue building their program so that *if* the bigten does take another bite at the apple to go to 24 that they are going to do everything they can to put themselves in that position. And no....they aren't there yet and that's why Or/Wash are going and they aren't. But given their trajectory over the last couple decades, I wouldn't neccessarily bet against them one day getting out of this conference(that they don't want to be in) either.....

"Minor programs?" LOL UCF beat Alabama in their own homecoming game back in 2000 when Alabama had 18 starters back from an SEC championship team and UCF was still adjusting to playing at the FBS level. And by the way, in bowl games against SEC opponents, UCF has a 3-2 record that includes wins over Georgia, Auburn, and Florida. The two losses were to Mississippi State and LSU, each by only one score. Two of these bowl games (including the win over Georgia) were played when we were in Conference USA.

Furthermore, UCF has a pair of wins over Alabama in men's basketball, one in Orlando and one in Tuscaloosa. In baseball, we swept Alabama 3-0 once in Orlando and then won 2 of 3 games against the Tide in Tuscaloosa. You've got ZERO basis to be calling UCF a "minor program." Give up while you're still behind.

Utah fans will be fine with the Big XII. I understand them not enjoying the PAC-12 breaking up. UCF fans have been there, done that. But once the Utes get some conference games in starting in 2024 (maybe even before that), everything will be fine for them.

And Utah knows that the path to a conference/national championship is now going to be harder. They were just starting to assert themselves as a perennial PAC champion.

I don't think it's clear right now who the best football teams are going to be in this new Big XII. But getting back to the PAC-12 breakup, UCF went through a situation sort of like that when we joined the Big East and then saw the basketball-only members of the conference leave and left us with a conference that lost its "power" status after our first season there (the American still had the Big East's automatic BCS bowl bid for the 2013 season, but then the BCS ended and the American was no longer included among the autobid conferences). Going further back, when we joined C-USA, we had to watch USF leave C-USA to go to the Big East, which put their program clearly ahead of ours for a few years (luckily for us, the tables have turned). So I do sympathize with what Utah is going through, but again, I think their success in the PAC-12 will help them in the Big XII and they'll still be able to get in some quality recruits, especially when you consider they now have increased access to recruiting in football hotbeds such as Texas and Florida.

(08-04-2023 10:21 PM)rolltide79 Wrote:  95%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac(where they always wanted to be), and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers. And then due to circumstances beyond their control, they suddenly find themselves with no choice but to join a conference with the likes of Cincinatti, Houston, UCF, etc..... minor programs that are thousands of miles from them and they have no historical ties with. I mean of course they are upset.......the fact that they didn't have any other choice due to how things played out doesn't make them any less upset.

Right now most Utah fans want to take the same approach that they did before and after they joined the pac- they are going to try to continue to raise the profile of *their* program, continue winning, and continue building their program so that *if* the bigten does take another bite at the apple to go to 24 that they are going to do everything they can to put themselves in that position. And no....they aren't there yet and that's why Or/Wash are going and they aren't. But given their trajectory over the last couple decades, I wouldn't neccessarily bet against them one day getting out of this conference(that they don't want to be in) either.....

Seems more like an Alabama fan still salty about how Utah beat the ever living **** out of the Tide in the Sugar Bowl all those years ago.

Personally I'm stoked to be in the Big12 and excited to be playing BYU and TCU regularly again. Also think the exposure in Texas will do alot for Recruiting as Utah already recruits Florida well.

(08-08-2023 02:53 AM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 10:21 PM)rolltide79 Wrote:  95%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac(where they always wanted to be), and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers. And then due to circumstances beyond their control, they suddenly find themselves with no choice but to join a conference with the likes of Cincinatti, Houston, UCF, etc..... minor programs that are thousands of miles from them and they have no historical ties with. I mean of course they are upset.......the fact that they didn't have any other choice due to how things played out doesn't make them any less upset.

Right now most Utah fans want to take the same approach that they did before and after they joined the pac- they are going to try to continue to raise the profile of *their* program, continue winning, and continue building their program so that *if* the bigten does take another bite at the apple to go to 24 that they are going to do everything they can to put themselves in that position. And no....they aren't there yet and that's why Or/Wash are going and they aren't. But given their trajectory over the last couple decades, I wouldn't neccessarily bet against them one day getting out of this conference(that they don't want to be in) either.....

Seems more like an Alabama fan still salty about how Utah beat the ever living **** out of the Tide in the Sugar Bowl all those years ago.

Personally I'm stoked to be in the Big12 and excited to be playing BYU and TCU regularly again. Also think the exposure in Texas will do alot for Recruiting as Utah already recruits Florida well.

I hope y’all destroy Florida. Got a feeling you will at home.

[quote='rolltide79' pid='19056591' dateline='1691205667']
5%+ of Utah fans don't want to be in this conference. They understand why things broke down in such a way that
they had to join for now, but I can absolutely see why their upset.
Put yourself in their place: the program works hard to get into the pac and then once they got there, for the most part and eventually they....delivered. They played big games that were highly watched against big opponents; they won some of them. They felt a natural fit with many of their peers.
/quote]

I fixed the percentage above to make it more accurate. The paragraph below the percentage is pretty accurate I think. The rest of the quote that I didn't bother to copy, not so much.

I was hoping the PAC could stay alive but certainly not because of any disdain for the Big 12. I am excited for the Utes and the Big 12 journey and am grateful for the opportunity that lies ahead.

What ingrates! To UT and ASU I say backout and go join with CA and The Tree and see if the ACC wants you.

They are like 2 people drowning and a boat stops to help and saying we do not like you boat but OK you can save us but do not expect us to be grateful.

(08-08-2023 02:14 PM)doss2 Wrote:  What ingrates! To UT and ASU I say backout and go join with CA and The Tree and see if the ACC wants you.

They are like 2 people drowning and a boat stops to help and saying we do not like you boat but OK you can save us but do not expect us to be grateful.

Please help me understand how you came to these conclusions.

(08-08-2023 02:14 PM)doss2 Wrote:  What ingrates! To UT and ASU I say backout and go join with CA and The Tree and see if the ACC wants you.

They are like 2 people drowning and a boat stops to help and saying we do not like you boat but OK you can save us but do not expect us to be grateful.

I mean if we're going to go with ignorant assumptions I'm guessing Cincinnati is anti 1st amendment considering you had a woke excuse of a teacher recently fail a student for using the term "Biological Female " in a paper. Why do you hate free speech?