Everything is leaning towards a very, very weakened PAC 12. I mean...to the point of disolving. Now, the Big 10 is seriously looking at Wash and OR. Also saw an article they are now interested in the smart schools from Cal and Stan. The Big 12 is aggressively going after 4 others and there are reports everywhere that it's just a matter of time, short time, before they get them. Face it....even if they get 2 and the Big 10 get 2 or any combo thereof.... it's friggin' curtains for the PAC 12. Even if it limps it will be a G5 conf.
SDSU had a decision to make a month ago. They had to except an exit fee twice the amount if they bolted the MWC. They could have refused knowing they were certainly going into the PAC 12.

Now look.

Was a stroke genius NOT to bolt the MWC. They may become the 5th best conf in the land now. Plus....they can start doing some poaching of their own. OR St and Wash St are out there.
Not saying all that bs will happen but....I will say....if the PAC 12 actually loses all those teams....then I think a lot of that bs will happen.

In case this hasn't been put out there yet.....
https://www.nj.com/rutgers/2023/08/could...utType=amp

Glad to be in The American.

This was posted on the gomeangreen board. I'm not a west coast fan, so it gave me a chuckle.

(08-03-2023 05:01 PM)seurat92 Wrote:  Everything is leaning towards a very, very weakened PAC 12. I mean...to the point of disolving. Now, the Big 10 is seriously looking at Wash and OR. Also saw an article they are now interested in the smart schools from Cal and Stan. The Big 12 is aggressively going after 4 others and there are reports everywhere that it's just a matter of time, short time, before they get them. Face it....even if they get 2 and the Big 10 get 2 or any combo thereof.... it's friggin' curtains for the PAC 12. Even if it limps it will be a G5 conf.
SDSU had a decision to make a month ago. They had to except an exit fee twice the amount if they bolted the MWC. They could have refused knowing they were certainly going into the PAC 12.

Now look.

Was a stroke genius NOT to bolt the MWC. They may become the 5th best conf in the land now. Plus....they can start doing some poaching of their own. OR St and Wash St are out there.
Not saying all that bs will happen but....I will say....if the PAC 12 actually loses all those teams....then I think a lot of that bs will happen.

Does OregonSt and WashSt really help MWC? They were overall pretty weak with the Power 5 moniker and money. Not a lot of recruits in those states. I don't really see how that make MWC better.

Most of these things being said about the PAC today parallel very closely what was being said about the Big East as the majority of the membership bailed to other conferences, only to be *reinforced* by the so-called CUSA Seven.

I was skeptical about the Big East prospects at the time and thought that, especially by the time Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU came on board, that it’s future was dim.

I was wrong then, and now I see a similar path for the PAC. But it’s a pretty narrow gap to survival that will probably require at least one of Stanford and Cal (and ideally both) to remain “on board” at least for a couple years past the current exodus.

The PAC is far from dead, and will carry on in some form, and probably thrive, as long as Stanford and Cal don’t get plucked.

(08-03-2023 06:40 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  This was posted on the gomeangreen board. I'm not a west coast fan, so it gave me a chuckle.

Missing the two that delivered the actual fatal blows: USC and UCLA.

(08-03-2023 07:42 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-03-2023 06:40 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  This was posted on the gomeangreen board. I'm not a west coast fan, so it gave me a chuckle.

Missing the two that delivered the actual fatal blows: USC and UCLA.

Technically, Texas and OU started all of this. Which is a new achievement for the Longhorns. They have a history of killing the conferences they join. But now, they have a chance to kill a conference they only thought about joining. Texas is truly the Grim Reaper of college football.

(08-03-2023 07:28 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Most of these things being said about the PAC today parallel very closely what was being said about the Big East as the majority of the membership bailed to other conferences, only to be *reinforced* by the so-called CUSA Seven.

I was skeptical about the Big East prospects at the time and thought that, especially by the time Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU came on board, that it’s future was dim.

I was wrong then, and now I see a similar path for the PAC. But it’s a pretty narrow gap to survival that will probably require at least one of Stanford and Cal (and ideally both) to remain “on board” at least for a couple years past the current exodus.

The PAC is far from dead, and will carry on in some form, and probably thrive, as long as Stanford and Cal don’t get plucked.

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Ok....lets say they stay but the Big 10 gets its 2 and the Big 12 gets its 4. I think that is what is seeming to happen here. Cal and Stanford have only recently been involved. If those 2 stay that will mean 4 teams remain in the PAC 12. There are some good odds on that happening.
I just don't see how they can exist. They would need 6 other teams out there just to have 10 teams.
You say they are far from dead.
I say if that happens, they are pretty close to death.

(08-03-2023 07:01 PM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(08-03-2023 05:01 PM)seurat92 Wrote:  Everything is leaning towards a very, very weakened PAC 12. I mean...to the point of disolving. Now, the Big 10 is seriously looking at Wash and OR. Also saw an article they are now interested in the smart schools from Cal and Stan. The Big 12 is aggressively going after 4 others and there are reports everywhere that it's just a matter of time, short time, before they get them. Face it....even if they get 2 and the Big 10 get 2 or any combo thereof.... it's friggin' curtains for the PAC 12. Even if it limps it will be a G5 conf.
SDSU had a decision to make a month ago. They had to except an exit fee twice the amount if they bolted the MWC. They could have refused knowing they were certainly going into the PAC 12.

Now look.

Was a stroke genius NOT to bolt the MWC. They may become the 5th best conf in the land now. Plus....they can start doing some poaching of their own. OR St and Wash St are out there.
Not saying all that bs will happen but....I will say....if the PAC 12 actually loses all those teams....then I think a lot of that bs will happen.

Does OregonSt and WashSt really help MWC? They were overall pretty weak with the Power 5 moniker and money. Not a lot of recruits in those states. I don't really see how that make MWC better.

I was actually thinking about this earlier. Current PAC12 deal nets Wazzu and OSU and annual payout of about $21m. Assuming they end up in the MWC, that’s a $17m a year haircut.

It’s one thing to already operate on a shoestring budget like many G5 programs do, but we also know how to do more with less. That’s a hell of a spot for those AD’s to be in and a lot of hard decisions ahead.

Facilities, staff, etc will all be impacted. In a short time span those ex-power 5 programs are gonna shed their skin and look just as G5 as we do.

(08-03-2023 08:57 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(08-03-2023 07:01 PM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  [quote='seurat92' pid='19051825' dateline='1691100108']
Everything is leaning towards a very, very weakened PAC 12. I mean...to the point of disolving. Now, the Big 10 is seriously looking at Wash and OR. Also saw an article they are now interested in the smart schools from Cal and Stan. The Big 12 is aggressively going after 4 others and there are reports everywhere that it's just a matter of time, short time, before they get them. Face it....even if they get 2 and the Big 10 get 2 or any combo thereof.... it's friggin' curtains for the PAC 12. Even if it limps it will be a G5 conf.
SDSU had a decision to make a month ago. They had to except an exit fee twice the amount if they bolted the MWC. They could have refused knowing they were certainly going into the PAC 12.

Now look.

Was a stroke genius NOT to bolt the MWC. They may become the 5th best conf in the land now. Plus....they can start doing some poaching of their own. OR St and Wash St are out there.
Not saying all that bs will happen but....I will say....if the PAC 12 actually loses all those teams....then I think a lot of that bs will happen.

Does OregonSt and WashSt really help MWC? They were overall pretty weak with the Power 5 moniker and money. Not a lot of recruits in those states. I don't really see how that make MWC better.

I was actually thinking about this earlier. Current PAC12 deal nets Wazzu and OSU and annual payout of about $21m. Assuming they end up in the MWC, that’s a $17m a year haircut.

It’s one thing to already operate on a shoestring budget like many G5 programs do, but we also know how to do more with less. That’s a hell of a spot for those AD’s to be in and a lot of hard decisions ahead.

Facilities, staff, etc will all be impacted. In a short time span those ex-power 5 programs are gonna shed their skin and look just as G5 as we do.
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Was just on the AZ board and they mentioned the Big 10 is waiting for a few more teams from the PAC 12 to go to the Big 12 before they make their move on OR and WS...(reported by 247 it said). That sort of makes sense. The 2 most attractive schools shouldn't be dangling out there. There are meetings everywhere about all this. Wash is meeting as I type, (10:30 PM EST, Thurs). Big 10 had meetings today too. ASU and AZ prez's both met tonight.
S#%# is happening fast.
If there are more than 4 PAC 12 schools standing, I'll be surprised.
2 standing seems more like it.

(08-03-2023 09:42 PM)seurat92 Wrote:  Was just on the AZ board and they mentioned the Big 10 is waiting for a few more teams from the PAC 12 to go to the Big 12 before they make their move on OR and WS...(reported by 247 it said). That sort of makes sense. The 2 most attractive schools shouldn't be dangling out there. There are meetings everywhere about all this. Wash is meeting as I type, (10:30 PM EST, Thurs). Big 10 had meetings today too. ASU and AZ prez's both met tonight.
S#%# is happening fast.
If there are more than 4 PAC 12 schools standing, I'll be surprised.
2 standing seems more like it.

The B1G knows the uglier it gets, the more likely the teams they want will accept a reduced share with minimal resistance.

(08-03-2023 06:40 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  This was posted on the gomeangreen board. I'm not a west coast fan, so it gave me a chuckle.

The non blue blood league. Not in football.

(08-03-2023 07:28 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Most of these things being said about the PAC today parallel very closely what was being said about the Big East as the majority of the membership bailed to other conferences, only to be *reinforced* by the so-called CUSA Seven.

I was skeptical about the Big East prospects at the time and thought that, especially by the time Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU came on board, that it’s future was dim.

I was wrong then, and now I see a similar path for the PAC. But it’s a pretty narrow gap to survival that will probably require at least one of Stanford and Cal (and ideally both) to remain “on board” at least for a couple years past the current exodus.

The PAC is far from dead, and will carry on in some form, and probably thrive, as long as Stanford and Cal don’t get plucked.

Are you kidding? It's rats jumping off a sinking ship.

In the end the MWC will merge with the AAC. That conference will be the best of the rest. Then they'll get poached at some point.

Conference realignment is the new sport sponsored by Pfizer on ESPN. "People LOVE this stuff". We've got the best deals in town!!!!!!!!

(08-03-2023 05:35 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  Glad to be in The American.

Long live The American. Our conference.

Stanford, Cal, Washington State and Oregon State will be left. I hope no one joins. Agree that the MWC could be the biggest winner, but The American is still a better conference.

(08-03-2023 07:01 PM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(08-03-2023 05:01 PM)seurat92 Wrote:  Everything is leaning towards a very, very weakened PAC 12. I mean...to the point of disolving. Now, the Big 10 is seriously looking at Wash and OR. Also saw an article they are now interested in the smart schools from Cal and Stan. The Big 12 is aggressively going after 4 others and there are reports everywhere that it's just a matter of time, short time, before they get them. Face it....even if they get 2 and the Big 10 get 2 or any combo thereof.... it's friggin' curtains for the PAC 12. Even if it limps it will be a G5 conf.
SDSU had a decision to make a month ago. They had to except an exit fee twice the amount if they bolted the MWC. They could have refused knowing they were certainly going into the PAC 12.

Now look.

Was a stroke genius NOT to bolt the MWC. They may become the 5th best conf in the land now. Plus....they can start doing some poaching of their own. OR St and Wash St are out there.
Not saying all that bs will happen but....I will say....if the PAC 12 actually loses all those teams....then I think a lot of that bs will happen.

Does OregonSt and WashSt really help MWC? They were overall pretty weak with the Power 5 moniker and money. Not a lot of recruits in those states. I don't really see how that make MWC better.

OSU and WSU are a good fit culturally. Don't they have good basketball? The optics of pulling in a couple power schools reflects favorably on the MWC.

OSU went to the Elite 8 in 2021, but that was only the 2nd time they made the tournament since 1990. They also aren't far removed from winning like a total of 4 games in a whole season.

(08-04-2023 01:04 AM)hooverblazer Wrote:  OSU went to the Elite 8 in 2021, but that was only the 2nd time they made the tournament since 1990. They also aren't far removed from winning like a total of 4 games in a whole season.

The MWC will have to be aggressive to keep the PAC from trying to reform. The new commissioner should try to ask all four. MWC members need to stand together firm, but will they?

(08-04-2023 01:09 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:04 AM)hooverblazer Wrote:  OSU went to the Elite 8 in 2021, but that was only the 2nd time they made the tournament since 1990. They also aren't far removed from winning like a total of 4 games in a whole season.

The MWC will have to be aggressive to keep the PAC from trying to reform. The new commissioner should try to ask all four. MWC members need to stand together firm, but will they?

MWC has expensive buy-outs. The league they are going to will offer how much per team? PAC owes $50 million to Comcast. Their finances are terrible. MWC should just sit back and buy the PAC name when it goes up for sale in bankruptcy meetings.