(08-02-2023 03:51 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:48 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:38 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:35 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:30 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  That's not a given. I see what you're saying, but you're mixing audience perception with NCAA rules.

Will it stay as the "Autonomous 5"/"Power 5" for the long-term? No, probably not. We don't know that for sure though. That's up to the NCAA, at least for now.

And the assertion that exit fees have never prevented movement is not correct - just in the past two months SDSU has made it clear that, while they could pay $17 million to join the Pac 12 they can't pay $34 million. And that was for a hypothetical future Pac 12 that didn't lose any additional members after USCLA and would've been making between $20-$25 million a year. Now they're going to have $34 million to join WSU/OSU along with a few current conference-mates and some AAC schools?

Exit fees aren't preventing SDSU from moving. Every report I've seen has said SDSU is one of the two schools the Pac-12 will most likely add.

I don't believe SDSU would turn down the chance to be with Cal and Stanford because of an extra $10-$15 million exit fee.


Also, being in a conference with Washington State + Oregon State + the best of the MWC + the best of the AAC is much better than staying in the current MWC.

The whole drama with SDSU asking for an extension from June 30 to July 31 to formally withdraw from the conference was because they acknowledged they couldn't pay $34 million to leave on less than a year's notice to join the Pac 12, but they could pay $17 million, but again, that's a version of the Pac 12 that's on the verge of disintegrating.

That's your interpretation of the situation, but there hasn't been one report saying SDSU can't pay $34 Million. If you know of a report that says it, link it.

On top of that, with the way that it's looking, the PAC might need enough MWC teams (half) that they might have the votes to ditch the exit fees.

The big wild card for the AAC teams is that no one really knows what a media payout would look like. It seems like a way easier proposition for the MWC teams. Does an SMU trade ESPN time slots for apple streaming, a pay bump that we don't know the amount of, and playing with the bottom third of the PAC and top half of the MWC? Probably, just to get the PAC name on your jerseys? Maybe the money doesn't matter at all? Who knows.

MW expansion now? No -- sit tight. Merge into the PAC and take over. Or, if it goes to PAC-0, buy its IP. Then see if any teams are out there that make sense; there's no rush except to get the PAC's last valuables.

(08-02-2023 03:48 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:43 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:38 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:35 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:30 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  That's not a given. I see what you're saying, but you're mixing audience perception with NCAA rules.

Will it stay as the "Autonomous 5"/"Power 5" for the long-term? No, probably not. We don't know that for sure though. That's up to the NCAA, at least for now.

And the assertion that exit fees have never prevented movement is not correct - just in the past two months SDSU has made it clear that, while they could pay $17 million to join the Pac 12 they can't pay $34 million. And that was for a hypothetical future Pac 12 that didn't lose any additional members after USCLA and would've been making between $20-$25 million a year. Now they're going to have $34 million to join WSU/OSU along with a few current conference-mates and some AAC schools?

Exit fees aren't preventing SDSU from moving. Every report I've seen has said SDSU is one of the two schools the Pac-12 will most likely add.

I don't believe SDSU would turn down the chance to be with Cal and Stanford because of an extra $10-$15 million exit fee.


Also, being in a conference with Washington State + Oregon State + the best of the MWC + the best of the AAC is much better than staying in the current MWC.

Because a Pac 4 won't make close to the 20M the PAC 9 would make. It would be arounf 10M. If we all sit around, they'll take all of us and no exit fee moving as a group of 12. 34M to make 10M makes 0 cents

$10M > $7M (in the current AAC) > $4M (in the current MWC).

you don't pay 34M to make 10M a yr for 5 years and then the next contract wouldn't be better after that. If they sit tight they can make 10M and pay 0 to leave. I highly doubt AAC schools wanna travel out here to play MWC +OSU/WSU and maybe Cal/Stan. If they don't want the MWC they dont want MWC +2/4 weakest programs left

(08-02-2023 03:51 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:48 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:38 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:35 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:30 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  That's not a given. I see what you're saying, but you're mixing audience perception with NCAA rules.

Will it stay as the "Autonomous 5"/"Power 5" for the long-term? No, probably not. We don't know that for sure though. That's up to the NCAA, at least for now.

And the assertion that exit fees have never prevented movement is not correct - just in the past two months SDSU has made it clear that, while they could pay $17 million to join the Pac 12 they can't pay $34 million. And that was for a hypothetical future Pac 12 that didn't lose any additional members after USCLA and would've been making between $20-$25 million a year. Now they're going to have $34 million to join WSU/OSU along with a few current conference-mates and some AAC schools?

Exit fees aren't preventing SDSU from moving. Every report I've seen has said SDSU is one of the two schools the Pac-12 will most likely add.

I don't believe SDSU would turn down the chance to be with Cal and Stanford because of an extra $10-$15 million exit fee.


Also, being in a conference with Washington State + Oregon State + the best of the MWC + the best of the AAC is much better than staying in the current MWC.

The whole drama with SDSU asking for an extension from June 30 to July 31 to formally withdraw from the conference was because they acknowledged they couldn't pay $34 million to leave on less than a year's notice to join the Pac 12, but they could pay $17 million, but again, that's a version of the Pac 12 that's on the verge of disintegrating.

That's your interpretation of the situation, but there hasn't been one report saying SDSU can't pay $34 Million. If you know of a report that says it, link it.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Da...t-fee.aspx

When it comes to missing the June 30 deadline, SDSU AD John David Wicker said they can not "pay the (extra) amount." He added, "Everyone is aware of that, so we’re continuing to have conversations about that."

It's been common knowledge for months. And that article is from shortly before the whole "did they leave, no they didn't, wait yeah they did..." drama started.

Suddenly Oregon State and Washington State are magic entities that will bring a collection of schools making 4-7 million a year in their respective leagues to 10-15 mil? I ain’t buying it.

(08-02-2023 04:04 PM)ta town Wrote:  Suddenly Oregon State and Washington State are magic entities that will bring a collection of schools making 4-7 million a year in their respective leagues to 10-15 mil? I ain’t buying it.

I'm saying 10M as a max....out of pity. It would probably need Cal/Stanford to get that 10.

(08-02-2023 04:04 PM)ta town Wrote:  Suddenly Oregon State and Washington State are magic entities that will bring a collection of schools making 4-7 million a year in their respective leagues to 10-15 mil? I ain’t buying it.

The number is the big question. It's hard to argue that it won't be worth more than what they are all currently making. Schools have relative value in those averages.

The MWC teams make $4m, but that's probably an average of schools worth 2m and schools worth 6m.

The legacy 8 of the AAC make $7m, but it's probably an average of schools worth 5m and schools worth 9m.

Assuming you get a couple of 15's(low end of PAC), a bunch of 6's, and a couple of 9's together, it's not impossible to imagine a $10m league, especially considering that Apple wants a college sports property to add. What's the alternative? That's how you get to $10m

(08-02-2023 04:02 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:51 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:48 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:38 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:35 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  And the assertion that exit fees have never prevented movement is not correct - just in the past two months SDSU has made it clear that, while they could pay $17 million to join the Pac 12 they can't pay $34 million. And that was for a hypothetical future Pac 12 that didn't lose any additional members after USCLA and would've been making between $20-$25 million a year. Now they're going to have $34 million to join WSU/OSU along with a few current conference-mates and some AAC schools?

Exit fees aren't preventing SDSU from moving. Every report I've seen has said SDSU is one of the two schools the Pac-12 will most likely add.

I don't believe SDSU would turn down the chance to be with Cal and Stanford because of an extra $10-$15 million exit fee.


Also, being in a conference with Washington State + Oregon State + the best of the MWC + the best of the AAC is much better than staying in the current MWC.

The whole drama with SDSU asking for an extension from June 30 to July 31 to formally withdraw from the conference was because they acknowledged they couldn't pay $34 million to leave on less than a year's notice to join the Pac 12, but they could pay $17 million, but again, that's a version of the Pac 12 that's on the verge of disintegrating.

That's your interpretation of the situation, but there hasn't been one report saying SDSU can't pay $34 Million. If you know of a report that says it, link it.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Da...t-fee.aspx

When it comes to missing the June 30 deadline, SDSU AD John David Wicker said they can not "pay the (extra) amount." He added, "Everyone is aware of that, so we’re continuing to have conversations about that."

It's been common knowledge for months. And that article is from shortly before the whole "did they leave, no they didn't, wait yeah they did..." drama started.

Well dang, thank you for that. I was wrong. +2 for you

If a PAC apocalypse happens -- How many MWC schools would need to vote to eliminate or drastically reduce the conference's exit fee?

That's how many MWC schools would join the PAC.

(08-02-2023 04:19 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  If a PAC apocalypse happens -- How many MWC schools would need to vote to eliminate or drastically reduce the conference's exit fee?

That's how many MWC schools would join the PAC.

I think all of us. I asked last wk if UNM and Wyo were the only ones left could we dissolve and I was told no, those 2 would collect all the fees and credits

(08-02-2023 04:14 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:02 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:51 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:48 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 03:38 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Exit fees aren't preventing SDSU from moving. Every report I've seen has said SDSU is one of the two schools the Pac-12 will most likely add.

I don't believe SDSU would turn down the chance to be with Cal and Stanford because of an extra $10-$15 million exit fee.


Also, being in a conference with Washington State + Oregon State + the best of the MWC + the best of the AAC is much better than staying in the current MWC.

The whole drama with SDSU asking for an extension from June 30 to July 31 to formally withdraw from the conference was because they acknowledged they couldn't pay $34 million to leave on less than a year's notice to join the Pac 12, but they could pay $17 million, but again, that's a version of the Pac 12 that's on the verge of disintegrating.

That's your interpretation of the situation, but there hasn't been one report saying SDSU can't pay $34 Million. If you know of a report that says it, link it.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Da...t-fee.aspx

When it comes to missing the June 30 deadline, SDSU AD John David Wicker said they can not "pay the (extra) amount." He added, "Everyone is aware of that, so we’re continuing to have conversations about that."

It's been common knowledge for months. And that article is from shortly before the whole "did they leave, no they didn't, wait yeah they did..." drama started.

Well dang, thank you for that. I was wrong. +2 for you

No problem, thanks!

(08-02-2023 04:19 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  If a PAC apocalypse happens -- How many MWC schools would need to vote to eliminate or drastically reduce the conference's exit fee?

That's how many MWC schools would join the PAC.

PACalypse

(08-02-2023 04:21 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:19 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  If a PAC apocalypse happens -- How many MWC schools would need to vote to eliminate or drastically reduce the conference's exit fee?

That's how many MWC schools would join the PAC.

I think all of us. I asked last wk if UNM and Wyo were the only ones left could we dissolve and I was told no, those 2 would collect all the fees and credits

I find that hard to believe. So, if nothing changed, and 10 years from now you guys wanted to up your exit fee, the vote on the amount of the increase would have to be unanimous? If not, then I would think that a majority vote could lower the fee to $1.70.

(08-02-2023 04:23 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:21 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:19 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  If a PAC apocalypse happens -- How many MWC schools would need to vote to eliminate or drastically reduce the conference's exit fee?

That's how many MWC schools would join the PAC.

I think all of us. I asked last wk if UNM and Wyo were the only ones left could we dissolve and I was told no, those 2 would collect all the fees and credits

I find that hard to believe. So, if nothing changed, and 10 years from now you guys wanted to up your exit fee, the vote on the amount of the increase would have to be unanimous? If not, then I would think that a majority vote could lower the fee to $1.70.

we could vote on that next year. 3/4 would make it happen(lower fee). But if you were to go now, what OSU, WSU need for the 2024 season, we can't because that is set and the last 2 would collect the fees.

Washington State
Oregon State
Tulsa
SMU
Texas State

Open the TV deal and raise the $$$

(08-02-2023 04:28 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:23 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:21 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:19 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  If a PAC apocalypse happens -- How many MWC schools would need to vote to eliminate or drastically reduce the conference's exit fee?

That's how many MWC schools would join the PAC.

I think all of us. I asked last wk if UNM and Wyo were the only ones left could we dissolve and I was told no, those 2 would collect all the fees and credits

I find that hard to believe. So, if nothing changed, and 10 years from now you guys wanted to up your exit fee, the vote on the amount of the increase would have to be unanimous? If not, then I would think that a majority vote could lower the fee to $1.70.

we could vote on that next year. 3/4 would make it happen(lower fee). But if you were to go now, what OSU, WSU need for the 2024 season, we can't because that is set and the last 2 would collect the fees.

If it's just a 1 year problem for 2024, the PAC & the NCAA would find a way to muddle through. And if that's the number, that's probably what would happen -- the top 3/4 of the MWC leaves the bottom 1/4 behind.

(08-02-2023 04:31 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:28 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:23 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:21 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:19 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  If a PAC apocalypse happens -- How many MWC schools would need to vote to eliminate or drastically reduce the conference's exit fee?

That's how many MWC schools would join the PAC.

I think all of us. I asked last wk if UNM and Wyo were the only ones left could we dissolve and I was told no, those 2 would collect all the fees and credits

I find that hard to believe. So, if nothing changed, and 10 years from now you guys wanted to up your exit fee, the vote on the amount of the increase would have to be unanimous? If not, then I would think that a majority vote could lower the fee to $1.70.

we could vote on that next year. 3/4 would make it happen(lower fee). But if you were to go now, what OSU, WSU need for the 2024 season, we can't because that is set and the last 2 would collect the fees.

If it's just a 1 year problem for 2024, the PAC & the NCAA would find a way to muddle through. And if that's the number, that's probably what would happen -- the top 3/4 of the MWC leaves the bottom 1/4 behind.

I'm just guessing, how often are they allowed to vote on dissolving a conference? Now that this is out in the open w/ the PAC, Wyo and UNM could take us to court and win. Lots of collusion there.

(08-02-2023 04:35 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I'm just guessing, how often are they allowed to vote on dissolving a conference? Now that this is out in the open w/ the PAC, Wyo and UNM could take us to court and win. Lots of collusion there.

Dissolving the conference altogether seems a lot more dangerous and scary legally than just voting to kill the exit fees.

(08-02-2023 04:39 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:35 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I'm just guessing, how often are they allowed to vote on dissolving a conference? Now that this is out in the open w/ the PAC, Wyo and UNM could take us to court and win. Lots of collusion there.

Dissolving the conference altogether seems a lot more dangerous and scary legally than just voting to kill the exit fees.

yeah but how often are they allowed to change them. Wyo and UNM along w/ whoever else gets left out has a case if we did it right now.

(08-02-2023 04:39 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 04:35 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I'm just guessing, how often are they allowed to vote on dissolving a conference? Now that this is out in the open w/ the PAC, Wyo and UNM could take us to court and win. Lots of collusion there.

Dissolving the conference altogether seems a lot more dangerous and scary legally than just voting to kill the exit fees.

If the PAC ends up taking 4 or more MWC schools, would UI have any impetus to attempt to move back up? Would they if other BSC schools, say the Montanas, moved up to the MWC?