(07-29-2023 07:39 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 07:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 07:19 PM)otown Wrote:  Ok, so have Arizona be the #2 before Washington and Oregon. This way Arizona clears the Fox hurdle. Washington and Oregon at 3 and 4 wont have a problem getting Fox to agree.

This.

Agreed. Now do Oregon & Washington agree to this or do they hold-out for the Big Ten which may never come. Oregon & Washington could help rebuild the Pac-12 on partial shares for the conference. I don't think Oregon & Washington would move make the leap until they know for sure that they won't be able to.

It will never come but possibly not soon. I think Big Ten wants to see how new adds fare and don't want to take up potential eastern spots. If all the ACC possibles go to SEC then B10 will fall back on PAC.

(07-29-2023 09:41 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 09:09 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 08:47 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 08:31 PM)otown Wrote:  So if B1G waits years....... how much money and exposure are Washington and Oregon willing to give up?

That's true but if they jump to the Big 12 now, how costly will it be to leave for the B1G later?

Bylaws says two years worth of conference distribution per school. Which could be say 100 million per school in 2030 ( 50 million per year).

However, that’s readily negotiable… Texas and OKlahoma each paid half of their required exit fee

They each paid 40 million to exit, with an additional 10 million to fox for leaving a year early before the GOR term expired.

Washington and Oregon, I’d say would pay 50 million each max, which would be half their annual BIG revenue.

Not a show stopper.

However, the Big 12 also has a GOR that everyone must sign. I do not think anyone is going to allow special status for Washington and Oregon.

The GOR is part of the media contract, not separate. There is no incremental penalty on top of the exit fee if they stay the entire term of the media contract (2030-2031 season)

The BIG media contract expires a year earlier. Logistics are readily workable.

Again not a show stopper


I doubt the big12 would curve out an exemption if they want to exit mid contract.

(07-29-2023 08:47 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Yeah, the B1G is not going to let schools like UO and UW build up equity in the Big 12 to where they are forced to pay full shares to them in 2031 if they expand the . I think it is equally likely they grab them now on the cheap. The contracts aren’t going to increase 100-150% in the next cycle barring hyperinflation.

I agree that the Big 12 will be the clear #3 if OR/UW join the Big 12

But you really think in several years they’ll be so happy making $32 million in the Big 12 that they’ll pass on the same offer from BIG??

I don’t see it

(07-29-2023 09:56 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 08:47 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Yeah, the B1G is not going to let schools like UO and UW build up equity in the Big 12 to where they are forced to pay full shares to them in 2031 if they expand the . I think it is equally likely they grab them now on the cheap. The contracts aren’t going to increase 100-150% in the next cycle barring hyperinflation.

I agree that the Big 12 will be the clear #3 if OR/UW join the Big 12

But you really think in several years they’ll be so happy making $32 million in the Big 12 that they’ll pass on the same offer from BIG??

I don’t see it

Guess the real question is how much UO an UW are willing to gamble on their futures...a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

(07-29-2023 09:53 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 09:41 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 09:09 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 08:47 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 08:31 PM)otown Wrote:  So if B1G waits years....... how much money and exposure are Washington and Oregon willing to give up?

That's true but if they jump to the Big 12 now, how costly will it be to leave for the B1G later?

Bylaws says two years worth of conference distribution per school. Which could be say 100 million per school in 2030 ( 50 million per year).

However, that’s readily negotiable… Texas and OKlahoma each paid half of their required exit fee

They each paid 40 million to exit, with an additional 10 million to fox for leaving a year early before the GOR term expired.

Washington and Oregon, I’d say would pay 50 million each max, which would be half their annual BIG revenue.

Not a show stopper.

However, the Big 12 also has a GOR that everyone must sign. I do not think anyone is going to allow special status for Washington and Oregon.

The GOR is part of the media contract, not separate. There is no incremental penalty on top of the exit fee if they stay the entire term of the media contract (2030-2031 season)

The BIG media contract expires a year earlier. Logistics are readily workable.

Again not a show stopper


I doubt the big12 would curve out an exemption if they want to exit mid contract.

Sure, but that's only if they leave a year early. I thinking they would be hoping to leave a lot sooner, but you are right, not a show stopper.

(07-29-2023 09:41 PM)otown Wrote:  However, the Big 12 also has a GOR that everyone must sign. I do not think anyone is going to allow special status for Washington and Oregon.

OU and Texas also had signed a GOR. They had no special status whatsoever. At the end of the day, all of these business contracts are just that. Anything is negotiable.

(07-29-2023 08:47 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Yeah, the B1G is not going to let schools like UO and UW build up equity in the Big 12 to where they are forced to pay full shares to them in 2031 if they expand the . I think it is equally likely they grab them now on the cheap. The contracts aren’t going to increase 100-150% in the next cycle barring hyperinflation.

The market for the Big 10 and SEC could crash the next media cycle as well, and they could wind up making less money. The indications are pointing that way, and having more than 16 would cause a lot of schools making less money, and not more.