(08-08-2023 11:37 AM)TripleA Wrote: (08-08-2023 08:25 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote: (08-08-2023 06:03 AM)ATXUTSAGRAD Wrote: (08-08-2023 03:44 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote: (08-08-2023 01:42 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote: where is any evidence at all that the AAC has a "renegotiation clause" in their contract
and why would ESPN want to pay ($5.5 million X 8) + ($4 million X 6) + ($12.5 million X 2) = $93 million to get WSU and Oregon State into the AAC
even if there is a renegotiation clause in the AAC contract which seems unlikely ESPN just got through "renegotiation" with the AAC to pay zero dollars a year to split the money they were going to pay 3 members between 4 new members and to add two years to an already extremely long contract
that does not seem like the type of "leverage" or value on the part of the AAC that makes them suddenly get $5.5 million each n new money for 8 long term members, $4 million each for the 4 new half share members and $12.5 million for each of two new members
that at best sounds like something ESPN might say "here is $14 to $25 million you guys figure out how to split it up between the 16 of you if you want Oregon State and WSU to join"......which I don't think they would really look to be doing that
There is a league composition clause in the contract, which allows review by ESPN if teams leave or are added. It kicked in when UH, Cincy, and UCF left and the C-USA 6 were added. There was no change in dollars. If OSU and WSU are added, I doubt there is a big bump in dollars, as those schools don't bring much in the way of eyeballs. Maybe there is value in acquiring the PAC 12 name. Have a hard time believing there would be any 'autonomy' associated with it.
I don’t see us maintaining the autonomy the Pac 12 has, but keep in mind there would no longer be a fifth “p5” conference after this year, and the playoff structure likely changing to 5 +7. I assume ESPN would pay to regain west coast time slots and hedging their bet trying to ensure or establish a clear fifth conference.
+ two more of SDSU/Boise/airforce/Fresno. That would be a competitive conference. Would get regular CFP payouts.
the whole meaning of autonomy is "autonomy" conferences getting two votes on NCAA business while G conferences get one
as of now you have 10 autonomy votes vs 5 G votes
if the PAC was to lose autonomy then it would be 8 autonomy votes vs 6 G votes
do you think the autonomy conferences are interested in having only two votes difference between them and the G conferences?....I don't
do you think that the 4 PAC members want to jump in with all of the AAC members and then have all that as an autonomy conference (if they even could)....I don't......do you think the other autonomy conferences want that....I don't
do you think the PAC schools would rather hand pick their new members and almost certainly keep their autonomy with those hand picked members?....I do
do you think the other autonomy conferences would be much more comfortable with a PAC formed like that that still has autonomy?.....I do
that vs getting the votes to 8-6 or getting an 18 team "spac" merged AAC into the PAC that keeps their autonomy
I think the other autonomy conferences prefer a PAC that is hand picked that keeps autonomy and I think the PAC schools prefer that too
Voting is not the sole autonomy advantage. They vote themselves giant shares of the CFP money, independent of who actually gets in, and with the 12 team playoff looming. that will be insane money now.
The tricky thing about autonomy is nobody really anticipated an A5 conference collapsing, and there is no mechanism in place to deal with it or vote them out, since the NCAA office created it to keep the P5 conferences from breaking away.
And moving to the new CFP contract in 2 years has nothing to do with which conferences are autonomous or not, b/c A5 status is not really tied into the contract. It's a separate process.
Will be interesting to see how this is handled if the remaining Pac-4 teams decide to rebuild.
the NCAA did not create the autonomy it was voted on by the member conferences of the NCAA.....the NCAA does not create things their members do....just like a conference does not create things the members do
in addition the NCAA has nothing at all to do with the football playoffs and never has......having two votes in NCAA business is not why P5 teams get $80 million each from the football playoffs while the G5 conferences split $100 million between all five and then ND gets a share and the other independents get a smaller share
the reason the P5 conferences get a larger share of the playoff money is because those conferences owned the bowl games that made the playoffs possible
The PAC 12 and Big 10 owned the Rose Bowl
the SWC then the Big 12 owns the Cotton Bowl
The SEC SEC SEC owns the Sugar Bowl
The Big East had a strong tie to the Orange Bowl, but did not own it and then when the BE fell apart the ACC took over that tie to the bowl
all of those bowl games made the conferences that owned them lost of money so it was in the best interest of those conferences all throughout the pre-playoff era to keep things as they were because media companies and ticket sales made a lot of money
it was only when media companies made a financial offer that proved more appealing and lucrative to all the conferences that owned those bowl games that those conferences decided to depart from the system where the various conference winners went to those specific bowls no matter what and then bid for opponents to play against them (except for the Rose that had two conferences)
so make that deal happen the conferences that had those bowls needed to be compensated or it did not make sense.....so at first they all agreed that whatever conference had the two two teams would give them up to play in a rotation of sites to be the single championship game
then it was expanded from there....but the conferences still own those bowl games and even with the last round of expansion the Rose Bowl was the last hold out to sign to agree to the 12 team expansion because they wanted protections for the dates and times the Rose Bowl would be played when it was not hosting a playoff game (and this was not THE actual Rose Bowl Game)
once that was secured expansion happened
most of the above took place WELL before the P5 conferences had the two votes in NCAA business and again the NCAA has nothing to do with the playoffs at all because it was formed from the conferences that had the very lucrative bowl games agreeing to a "coalition" The BCS (Bowl Coalition) happened in 1992 the NCAA autonomy happened in 2015
and with the expanded playoffs there will be more money, but it is all but certain that the P5 conferences will still take a much larger %
and that extra money will help a conference like the PAC have a financial advantage to lure teams away from ones that are G5
as it is not with $80 million to a P5 and $100 million / G5 if you normalize for a 10 team conference that is a difference of $6 million per year per member
I would imagine that will grow to a $9 or $10 million differential with the new money coming in