(07-27-2023 08:53 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 07:15 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 01:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 01:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The whole purpose of the plea deal was to prevent any info ever coming out in open court. DOJ went along to protect the Bidens because of political pressure from the top. The judge has now blown that up. It would appear that the defense has two choices: 1) a plea deal where Hunter at least does time, or 2) have a trial at some point. It'll be interesting to see which way they go.

Or in 30 days the judge accepts a reworked sweetheart deal

Ding ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner. I'm sure the judge will be informed of the error of her ways in due time.

I'm leaning that way too

I’m fairly certain that the US Attorneys are under secret but explicit orders not to let this go to trial. There is a huge concentration of power in nameless, faceless, and heretofore unaccountable bureaucrats in DC who are threatened severely if the truth ever comes out in open court.

(07-27-2023 10:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I’m fairly certain that the US Attorneys are under secret but explicit orders not to let this go to trial. There is a huge concentration of power in nameless, faceless, and heretofore unaccountable bureaucrats in DC who are threatened severely if the truth ever comes out in open court.

AKA the Administrative State

Bastidges

(07-27-2023 09:01 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 08:53 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 07:15 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 01:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  in 30 days the judge accepts a reworked sweetheart deal

Ding ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner. I'm sure the judge will be informed of the error of her ways in due time.

I'm leaning that way too

Or a pardon.

As for a pardon, I agree that is on the table if all else fails. The most politically convenient timing for that would be somewhere between November 5, 2024, and January 20, 2025.

As for the judge eventually signing off on a sweetheart deal after a few nips and tucks — don’t be too sure. I agree it could happen, but they (DOJ + Biden’s lawyers) have had a long time to prepare this plea agreement. The fact that it’s still not ready makes me wonder if it ever will be. And the fact that Biden’s lawyers are now taking shots at Judge Noreika in the media makes me believe that they know she is not willing to take one for the team. And if that is, in fact, true, then this case is nowhere close to being over.

(07-27-2023 09:01 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 08:53 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 07:15 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 01:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 01:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The whole purpose of the plea deal was to prevent any info ever coming out in open court. DOJ went along to protect the Bidens because of political pressure from the top. The judge has now blown that up. It would appear that the defense has two choices: 1) a plea deal where Hunter at least does time, or 2) have a trial at some point. It'll be interesting to see which way they go.

Or in 30 days the judge accepts a reworked sweetheart deal

Ding ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner. I'm sure the judge will be informed of the error of her ways in due time.

I'm leaning that way too

Or a pardon.

We can only hope that happens because its like having the best Christmas gift in the world for Republicans if it took place before the election. But I think the lawyers would be under orders to do everything they can to push a trial off till after the election. The question then becomes will this judge play ball with them.

Only way a pardon comes before the election is if Hunter is going to prison

A pardon is still the best way to blow the lid off this and to get at some truth. If pardoned the DOJ will be under a lot of pressure to find out what went on. Any pardon will have to include this whole mess and not just the current charges.

A pardon would also need to include Job Biden and possibly Jill Biden. So unless the pardon is for the whole Biden family (brothers, sisters, grand kids) once those Biden's that get5 the pardon are no longer protected by the 5th Amendment on those charges.....

if they take the 5th in front of a grand jury they can be put in jail on a judges orders. The 5th protects you from self incrimination. A pardon takes that off the table.

If they lie they can then be charged. So honestly the pardon is about the best think that can happen to blow this up and to actually get to the truth....

Hunter, and Job Biden were never going to prison

(07-27-2023 11:28 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 09:01 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 08:53 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 07:15 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 01:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Or in 30 days the judge accepts a reworked sweetheart deal

Ding ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner. I'm sure the judge will be informed of the error of her ways in due time.

I'm leaning that way too

Or a pardon.

We can only hope that happens because its like having the best Christmas gift in the world for Republicans if it took place before the election. But I think the lawyers would be under orders to do everything they can to push a trial off till after the election. The question then becomes will this judge play ball with them.

Only way a pardon comes before the election is if Hunter is going to prison

A pardon is still the best way to blow the lid off this and to get at some truth. If pardoned the DOJ will be under a lot of pressure to find out what went on. Any pardon will have to include this whole mess and not just the current charges.

A pardon would also need to include Job Biden and possibly Jill Biden. So unless the pardon is for the whole Biden family (brothers, sisters, grand kids) once those Biden's that get5 the pardon are no longer protected by the 5th Amendment on those charges.....

if they take the 5th in front of a grand jury they can be put in jail on a judges orders. The 5th protects you from self incrimination. A pardon takes that off the table.

If they lie they can then be charged. So honestly the pardon is about the best think that can happen to blow this up and to actually get to the truth....

Hunter, and Job Biden were never going to prison

Neither is Trump

Silly plebes

Hunter Biden's Legal Team Is 'Fuming,' Personally Attacks Judge for Exposing the Plea Deal

Quote:Hunter Biden’s legal team is none too happy about their sweetheart plea deal being blown up, and who can blame them? They thought they had this thing wrapped up after allegedly colluding with the DOJ to garner a wink-and-nod deal for global immunity, protecting the president’s son from future prosecution unrelated to his tax crimes while the investigation technically remained open.

But while the two sides expected their deal to be rubber-stamped, Judge Maryellen Noreika had other ideas. She pressed prosecutors on the plea, getting them to admit there was no precedent for it, and after two hours of her questioning exposing the disagreements between the two sides, things finally blew up.

According to a new report, that left Hunter Biden’s lawyers “fuming” in the aftermath.

Hours after the hearing, Biden’s team was still fuming, suggesting that Noreika seemed intent on not letting the plea agreement go forward after deliberately questioning lawyers on both sides about the terms of the deal.

Translation: Biden’s team was fuming over a judge actually doing her job and digging deep enough to find out the plea deal was likely unconstitutional. When you garner immunity, it’s typically somewhat narrow. For example, a defendant would garner immunity from future charges stemming only from the charges they are pleading guilty to.

Hunter Biden’s team and the DOJ tried to game the system, though, by giving broad immunity as part of the diversion agreement, which exists due to the gun charge (which normally requires the pursuit of prison time according to DOJ protocol).

Former Deputy Independent Counsel Sol Wisenberg described it this way.

Finally, and most importantly, a broad immunity provision (arguably covering every crime Hunter may have committed during the relevant time frame) was hidden in Paragraph 15 of the the Pre-Trial Diversion Agreement and this was done by the parties in order that the judge could not accept or reject the broad immunity portion of the overall deal. Totally unprecedented.

In short, the judge did her job. She looked at the plea deal, saw it was likely not even legal, and pressed each side until it became clear no one was on the same page. In doing so, she showed no bias, and it would have been unethical for her to do anything but what she did. To blindly accept that plea deal would have put a stain on the court.

Returning to the original report, Hunter Biden’s legal team is now personally attacking the judge.

One member of Biden’s team ruefully compared Noreika to Judge Lance Ito, who presided over the O.J. Simpson murder trial in 1995 and was widely criticized for letting it become chaotic.

Others were quick to note that Noreika was appointed to the bench by former President Trump, and suggested they’d have to take politics into consideration going forward.

It’s incredibly ironic to see Judge Noreika attacked because things got chaotic when the only reason for the chaos was her exposing blatant corruption. She didn’t ask for Hunter Biden and the DOJ to collude on such a ridiculous plea deal. They did that of their own volition, and thankfully, she saw through the ruse immediately.

I can’t imagine that attacking the judge overseeing this case is going to work out well for Hunter Biden, but it’s a choice, I suppose. What happens next is unclear. It’s likely the two sides work out another plea deal because there’s no way that Hunter Biden’s legal team actually wants this to go to trial. The evidence is overwhelming. That is unless the DOJ plans to just scuttle its own prosecution. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

There was no miscommunication between the two parties

There was an ‘announced’ plea deal in place

Then there was a ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ plea deal with immunity from any ongoing investigations and other charges in place

The DOJ then threw in that once the judge signed off on it then she was bound by it

This judge didn’t go along and simply asked some questions that expose the scheme

Quote:Now, as
@shipwreckedcrew
, a former federal prosecutor and current federal criminal defense attorney, has observed, there's a more than decent possibility that this build-up to the "then there's no deal!" crescendo was role playing by Wise and Clark, that the deal needed to be scuttled due to everything that was revealed since the plea was announced, but Weiss' office needed to save face. So keep that in mind as we move forward

Quote:@shipwreckedcrew, a former federal prosecutor and current federal criminal defense attorney, has observed, there's a more than decent possibility that this build-up to the "then there's no deal!" crescendo was role playing by Wise and Clark, that the deal needed to be scuttled due to everything that was revealed since the plea was announced, but Weiss' office needed to save face. So keep that in mind as we move forward

That is entirely plausible, although I’m cynical by nature, and that is an even more cynical interpretation of the facts than what I was thinking.

I’ll just say that if Noreika believes that (or does so in the future), that will be very bad news for Wise and Clark and all the other lawyers involved.

Quote:DEVELOPING: Legal watchdogs tell me there should have been a "signed plea agreement" going into that Hunter Biden hearing yesterday, and that it is "weird" that it has not surfaced

(07-27-2023 12:14 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

Quote:@shipwreckedcrew, a former federal prosecutor and current federal criminal defense attorney, has observed, there's a more than decent possibility that this build-up to the "then there's no deal!" crescendo was role playing by Wise and Clark, that the deal needed to be scuttled due to everything that was revealed since the plea was announced, but Weiss' office needed to save face. So keep that in mind as we move forward

That is entirely plausible, although I’m cynical by nature, and that is an even more cynical interpretation of the facts than what I was thinking.

I’ll just say that if Noreika believes that (or does so in the future), that will be very bad news for Wise and Clark and all the other lawyers involved.

As someone pointed out the whole deal looks like something the defense came up with. The Biden DOJ is working for the Biden’s in the truest sense of the word.

Quote:Did you know that over the past two months, 6 of the 13 charges against FTX fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried have been dropped? There's a very real chance that one of the worst scammers in American history will get a slap on the wrist.

Then, we have the plea deal for Hunter Biden, which looks like no plea deal any prosecutor has ever seen before, because it's not a plea deal: It's a pardon from daddy, dressed up in drag.

Between the kid glove treatment of Hunter Biden and the unraveling case against SBF vs. the entrapment of MAGA supporters and the relentless pursuit of Donald Trump, the American public is getting a crash course in how their federal "justice system" really works.

But this moment also shows us the importance of a good Judge. Judge Noreika smelled a rat and she called out the DOJ's scheme to immunize Hunter from all future investigations and protect the Biden mafia.

Real justice requires virtue in our judges, prosecutors, and policy makers, and we are woefully short on supply.

(07-27-2023 12:36 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Did you know that over the past two months, 6 of the 13 charges against FTX fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried have been dropped? There's a very real chance that one of the worst scammers in American history will get a slap on the wrist.

Then, we have the plea deal for Hunter Biden, which looks like no plea deal any prosecutor has ever seen before, because it's not a plea deal: It's a pardon from daddy, dressed up in drag.

Between the kid glove treatment of Hunter Biden and the unraveling case against SBF vs. the entrapment of MAGA supporters and the relentless pursuit of Donald Trump, the American public is getting a crash course in how their federal "justice system" really works.

But this moment also shows us the importance of a good Judge. Judge Noreika smelled a rat and she called out the DOJ's scheme to immunize Hunter from all future investigations and protect the Biden mafia.

Real justice requires virtue in our judges, prosecutors, and policy makers, and we are woefully short on supply.

It's really nice to see Biden not get a free ride. Really though it would happen.

On Sam Bankman-Fried I really believe he was working with the SEC to try and bring down crypto as a whole. It seems his whole purpose was to gather information and bring cases against certain crypto claiming they are a security, even Coinbase, Kraken, etc...The Judges ruling in the Ripple case is quite encouraging and should present regulation that is fair.

Anyway, no evidence, but it sure does look like he was working for the FED.

What's going to be interesting will be if and when Fredo has to be sacrificed to save the family.

3/5 - Hunter gets a lifetime "Get Out of Jail Free Card" from @USAttyWeiss.

JUDGE: "Do you have any precedent for agreeing not to prosecute crimes that have nothing to do with the case or the charges being diverted?"

U.S. ATTY: " I am not aware of any, Your Honor."