(07-25-2023 10:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-25-2023 04:15 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Basketball will only go to ESPN televised games. Football doesn't have the same rules. The last two years Gameday went to Michigan-Ohio State on Rivalry Week.

ESPN is still leading Big Noon Saturday but if they complete just ignore the Big Ten they'd be opening the door for FOX to gain on them. FOX is covering a 11-0 vs. 11-0 Michigan-Ohio State while Gameday is covering an 11-0 Alabama vs. a sub .500 Auburn? I'll be watching Big Noon Saturday.

Yep, and it's too bad that Alabama-Auburn is the only decent SEC rivalry game...oh wait, it's not? I'd be more concerned about the big 10 suffering a huge dropoff when either Michigan or tOSU falters, the SEC has plenty of schools that can draw huge ratings.

You seem to be the only one this concerned about the B1G. Wasn't Michigan junk from like 2007 to Harbaugh?

It's kind of weird to read so many posts from you about the B1G needing to be concerned with ratings and their top teams leaving and yadda yadda yadda. It doesn't even make sense in any way on this topic either. The question was about if B1G teams will appear on GameDay and someone provided an example of where ESPN would likely pick the B1G game. And then you did that weird B1G Doomer Kool aid man thing to defend the SEC's honor or something.

I think ESPN has been good about having the College GameDay “brand” centered around the most important game of the week no matter who might be televising it. If it’s a toss-up between an ESPN game and a Fox game, then sure, they’ll generally go to the ESPN game, but they have been pretty consistent in going to the location of a clear marquee game of the week.

Plus, note that GameDay going to, say, a Big Ten or Notre Dame home game gets ESPN into the residual glow and coverage of those games without even having to pay the rights to televise it. If all of the national stories are about the Michigan-Ohio State game (as it essentially was last season) and the fact that ESPN GameDay is showing up is in a bunch of those stories (as was the case), then ESPN got promotion even when it’s not the rights holder of the game. They know the right balance between advancing whatever game might be on ABC/ESPN that day versus making sure that they’re in the conversation for whatever might be the biggest game of a particular week (as opposed to be blindly an ABC/ESPN game promotional vehicle in the way that Big Noon Kickoff is for Fox games).

(07-26-2023 05:39 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-25-2023 11:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-25-2023 10:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-25-2023 04:15 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Basketball will only go to ESPN televised games. Football doesn't have the same rules. The last two years Gameday went to Michigan-Ohio State on Rivalry Week.

ESPN is still leading Big Noon Saturday but if they complete just ignore the Big Ten they'd be opening the door for FOX to gain on them. FOX is covering a 11-0 vs. 11-0 Michigan-Ohio State while Gameday is covering an 11-0 Alabama vs. a sub .500 Auburn? I'll be watching Big Noon Saturday.

Yep, and it's too bad that Alabama-Auburn is the only decent SEC rivalry game...oh wait, it's not? I'd be more concerned about the big 10 suffering a huge dropoff when either Michigan or tOSU falters, the SEC has plenty of schools that can draw huge ratings.

There used to be this little game in Texas on Thanksgiving weekend. There was a bonfire and lots of yelling. One team had a 12th man, the other had a steer... I feel like that game might host Gameday once they start playing it again.

At least Alabama was 10-2 last year. What were Texas and Texas A&M's records last year?

What was Auburn's? The difference between the conferences is that there will always be big games in the SEC. Some years it will be Alabama-Auburn. Some years it will be A&M-Texas. Some years it might be Georgia-OU, Tennessee-OU or Florida-LSU. We don't even know right now if we'll have 8 or 9 conference games in 2 years. But we (and our TV Partner) can have confidence that there will be great games on offer. In the B1G, if Michigan or OSU is 5-7, what do they have to fall back on? Indiana-Northwestern?

(07-26-2023 12:08 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 11:01 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:40 AM)NegativeOptimist Wrote:  

(07-25-2023 10:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-25-2023 04:15 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Basketball will only go to ESPN televised games. Football doesn't have the same rules. The last two years Gameday went to Michigan-Ohio State on Rivalry Week.

ESPN is still leading Big Noon Saturday but if they complete just ignore the Big Ten they'd be opening the door for FOX to gain on them. FOX is covering a 11-0 vs. 11-0 Michigan-Ohio State while Gameday is covering an 11-0 Alabama vs. a sub .500 Auburn? I'll be watching Big Noon Saturday.

Yep, and it's too bad that Alabama-Auburn is the only decent SEC rivalry game...oh wait, it's not? I'd be more concerned about the big 10 suffering a huge dropoff when either Michigan or tOSU falters, the SEC has plenty of schools that can draw huge ratings.

Pretty much every rivalry won't match OSU-UM. Not a single SEC one comes close. Rivalries in the SEC or Big Ten are only nationally relevant if the teams are different. Let's not overinflate things here, the nation doesn't care about many rivalries if the teams aren't worth watching.

If Auburn got their act together the Iron Bowl will. Kick Six is legendary. I have to give props despite being the board's "Big Ten Cheerleader".

If Texas and Texas A&M are both good at the same time that game will be big but that's a big if (not to mention they will likely play on Black Friday, assuming they play annually, making featuring on a Saturday version of Gameday out).

I don't know if Florida and Florida State will ever be top 10 at the same time like in the Spurrier/Bowden days but that was huge (and if they were ever in the same conference it would be better).

It's probably just going to float around. To the casual fan, the Iron Bowl was the bigger contest back when both Alabama and Auburn were good, and Michigan was getting beat by Ohio State year in and year out. Now that Auburn has taken a step back, and Michigan has gotten good, that game has gotten bigger. Could completely reverse in any given year.

Any of a half-dozen SEC games could be very important on rivalry weekend. If Michigan or OSU or, god forbid, both are not very good? It would be a disaster for the B1G and their network partners.

I don’t think Game Day will avoid the Big 10 entirely, but the appearances will definitely decrease as ESPN jockeys to elevate the status and viewership of games that they control.

Does Fox usually host their kickoff show at games they are airing?

(07-26-2023 02:49 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 12:08 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 11:01 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:40 AM)NegativeOptimist Wrote:  

(07-25-2023 10:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Yep, and it's too bad that Alabama-Auburn is the only decent SEC rivalry game...oh wait, it's not? I'd be more concerned about the big 10 suffering a huge dropoff when either Michigan or tOSU falters, the SEC has plenty of schools that can draw huge ratings.

Pretty much every rivalry won't match OSU-UM. Not a single SEC one comes close. Rivalries in the SEC or Big Ten are only nationally relevant if the teams are different. Let's not overinflate things here, the nation doesn't care about many rivalries if the teams aren't worth watching.

If Auburn got their act together the Iron Bowl will. Kick Six is legendary. I have to give props despite being the board's "Big Ten Cheerleader".

If Texas and Texas A&M are both good at the same time that game will be big but that's a big if (not to mention they will likely play on Black Friday, assuming they play annually, making featuring on a Saturday version of Gameday out).

I don't know if Florida and Florida State will ever be top 10 at the same time like in the Spurrier/Bowden days but that was huge (and if they were ever in the same conference it would be better).

It's probably just going to float around. To the casual fan, the Iron Bowl was the bigger contest back when both Alabama and Auburn were good, and Michigan was getting beat by Ohio State year in and year out. Now that Auburn has taken a step back, and Michigan has gotten good, that game has gotten bigger. Could completely reverse in any given year.

Any of a half-dozen SEC games could be very important on rivalry weekend. If Michigan or OSU or, god forbid, both are not very good? It would be a disaster for the B1G and their network partners.

How does this logic work?
Michigan and OSU could both be 0-11 and that game would still draw 5M+.

That's not really a disaster on rivalry week, it's a minor inconvenience that year for FOX. Means the CBS or NBC games are going to feature ranked teams with higher stakes and playoff implications. And FOX makes a little less that year.

What's a disaster would be having to put a Vanderbilt game on network TV on rivalry week.

(07-26-2023 02:49 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 12:08 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 11:01 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 10:40 AM)NegativeOptimist Wrote:  

(07-25-2023 10:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Yep, and it's too bad that Alabama-Auburn is the only decent SEC rivalry game...oh wait, it's not? I'd be more concerned about the big 10 suffering a huge dropoff when either Michigan or tOSU falters, the SEC has plenty of schools that can draw huge ratings.

Pretty much every rivalry won't match OSU-UM. Not a single SEC one comes close. Rivalries in the SEC or Big Ten are only nationally relevant if the teams are different. Let's not overinflate things here, the nation doesn't care about many rivalries if the teams aren't worth watching.

If Auburn got their act together the Iron Bowl will. Kick Six is legendary. I have to give props despite being the board's "Big Ten Cheerleader".

If Texas and Texas A&M are both good at the same time that game will be big but that's a big if (not to mention they will likely play on Black Friday, assuming they play annually, making featuring on a Saturday version of Gameday out).

I don't know if Florida and Florida State will ever be top 10 at the same time like in the Spurrier/Bowden days but that was huge (and if they were ever in the same conference it would be better).

It's probably just going to float around. To the casual fan, the Iron Bowl was the bigger contest back when both Alabama and Auburn were good, and Michigan was getting beat by Ohio State year in and year out. Now that Auburn has taken a step back, and Michigan has gotten good, that game has gotten bigger. Could completely reverse in any given year.

Any of a half-dozen SEC games could be very important on rivalry weekend. If Michigan or OSU or, god forbid, both are not very good? It would be a disaster for the B1G and their network partners.

Even if that were to occur, I think you’re highly underrating Penn State and USC in particular (and to a lesser extent, Wisconsin) while slightly overstating the national interest depth of the SEC. Games involving Alabama and whoever is the flavor of the year in the SEC (currently an UGA cycle) are certainly huge nationally, but a school like Tennessee or LSU doesn’t really resonate nationally as much as a lot of SEC fans want to believe unless they’re actually performing that season. They’re more like Iowa or Michigan State (similarly based on performance in a particular year) than they are Alabama or Texas that have more Teflon brands. This makes the gap seem larger in your mind than reality. I would actually grant that the SEC probably has better depth of games than the Big Ten on average week-to-week, but it’s not the “Michigan/Ohio State or nothing” cliff that you’re positing here.

(07-26-2023 10:38 AM)schmolik Wrote:  As for FOX "starting their own pregame show like ESPN Gameday"? FOX has had Big Noon Kickoff since 2019!

And they hired "Bear" away from GameDay at the end of last season. FOX is definitely coming for the GameDay franchise.