Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
Northwest Nazarene
College of Idaho
Lewis-Clark State
North Idaho
Southern Idaho

(07-23-2023 09:59 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
Northwest Nazarene
College of Idaho
Lewis-Clark State
North Idaho
Southern Idaho

The Potato Conference!
The Spud Conference!

Ideal? So long as it was a power conference with a good media deal (which it wouldn’t be), merge the PAC (12) with MWC (12) minus San Jose St plus BYU.

Mountain: Air Force, BYU, Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Utah, Utah St, Wyoming
Pacific: Arizona, Arizona St, Fresno St, Hawaii, San Diego St, UCLA, UNLV, USC
West: Boise St, California, Nevada, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Washington, Washington St

Protected annual rivals:
- Boise St / Fresno St
- California / UCLA
- Nevada / UNLV
- Stanford / USC

(07-24-2023 12:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Ideal? So long as it was a power conference with a good media deal (which it wouldn’t be), merge the PAC (12) with MWC (12) minus San Jose St plus BYU.

Mountain: Air Force, BYU, Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Utah, Utah St, Wyoming
Pacific: Arizona, Arizona St, Fresno St, Hawaii, San Diego St, UCLA, UNLV, USC
West: Boise St, California, Nevada, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Washington, Washington St

Protected annual rivals:
- Boise St / Fresno St
- California / UCLA
- Nevada / UNLV
- Stanford / USC

Why wouldn’t Cal / Stanford and USC / UCLA be the protected rivals?

(07-23-2023 10:30 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If I had to guess as an outsider it’d be a best-of mountain schools with the non-west coast Pac-12 programs thrown in there, like a greatest hits album of schools that were in the MWC or WAC at some point.

Boise State
Colorado
Colorado State
Air Force
Utah
BYU
Wazzu
Arizona
Arizona State
Fresno State
San Diego State
Hawaii

Good start to what the topic asks for.

However! BYU would be foolish to leave the BigXII. And I’d think Colorado and Arizona would be in the BigXII shortly after your alignment forms.

So who replaces BYU, Colorado and Zona? Maybe only need 1 more to make 10. Me thinks Oregon State is missing as well as UNLV…

Hawaii (football)
Washington State
Oregon State
Boise State
Fresno State
San Diego State
UNLV
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado State
Air Force (football)/Denver or Metro State (Denver) moves up to D1 (I prefer the latter).

Edit: Maybe Air Force as a full member. They are generally better than Army and Navy in basketball, baseball, etc.

And may as well go full MW-PAC merger if Utah and ASU end up in the BigXII as well. So basically current MW plus Wazzu and Beavers to the MW-14. But if this process happens over several years, it would be the PAC-14 and hopefully enough time to keep M3 status. Add that to the 14 that would make up the AAC - including Army/Navy football - and a nice 2-divisions of 14 each for this mega-conference that keeps M3 status because the 3 Super Power conferences - B1G, SEC and BigXII want the military academies in their breakaway league.

Idaho
Montana
Montana St
Washington St
Wyoming
Eastern Washington
Nevada
Colorado St
Utah St
Utah
BYU

(07-24-2023 02:17 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(07-24-2023 12:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Ideal? So long as it was a power conference with a good media deal (which it wouldn’t be), merge the PAC (12) with MWC (12) minus San Jose St plus BYU.

Mountain: Air Force, BYU, Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Utah, Utah St, Wyoming
Pacific: Arizona, Arizona St, Fresno St, Hawaii, San Diego St, UCLA, UNLV, USC
West: Boise St, California, Nevada, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Washington, Washington St

Protected annual rivals:
- Boise St / Fresno St
- California / UCLA
- Nevada / UNLV
- Stanford / USC

Why wouldn’t Cal / Stanford and USC / UCLA be the protected rivals?

Already playing each other annually in the same divisions.

(07-23-2023 09:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 10:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 10:43 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The Pac12 or whatever they call it these days is the ideal conference for them. The academic snobbery of schools like Stanford and California should be told to STFU. Boise would be an addition that would enhance their inventory to attract a better media deal not to mention they have their own deal now that would have to be reworked within the Pac12.

The Big12 is to far away IMO for they would be on somewhat of an island, but if West Virginia is able to succeed then so should Boise playing with their closes member being thousands of miles away.

David St burner account?

No. This makes too much sense. lol

The part about telling Cal and Stanford to “stfu” or the part about BSU increasing their media payout?

(07-24-2023 08:07 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 09:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 10:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 10:43 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The Pac12 or whatever they call it these days is the ideal conference for them. The academic snobbery of schools like Stanford and California should be told to STFU. Boise would be an addition that would enhance their inventory to attract a better media deal not to mention they have their own deal now that would have to be reworked within the Pac12.

The Big12 is to far away IMO for they would be on somewhat of an island, but if West Virginia is able to succeed then so should Boise playing with their closes member being thousands of miles away.

David St burner account?

No. This makes too much sense. lol

The part about telling Cal and Stanford to “stfu” or the part about BSU increasing their media payout?

The part I've bolded. (I forgot about the other part.)

(07-24-2023 07:58 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(07-24-2023 02:17 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(07-24-2023 12:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Ideal? So long as it was a power conference with a good media deal (which it wouldn’t be), merge the PAC (12) with MWC (12) minus San Jose St plus BYU.

Mountain: Air Force, BYU, Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Utah, Utah St, Wyoming
Pacific: Arizona, Arizona St, Fresno St, Hawaii, San Diego St, UCLA, UNLV, USC
West: Boise St, California, Nevada, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Washington, Washington St

Protected annual rivals:
- Boise St / Fresno St
- California / UCLA
- Nevada / UNLV
- Stanford / USC

Why wouldn’t Cal / Stanford and USC / UCLA be the protected rivals?

Already playing each other on annually in the same divisions.

Ah … that make sense

(07-24-2023 08:09 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2023 08:07 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 09:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 10:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 10:43 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The Pac12 or whatever they call it these days is the ideal conference for them. The academic snobbery of schools like Stanford and California should be told to STFU. Boise would be an addition that would enhance their inventory to attract a better media deal not to mention they have their own deal now that would have to be reworked within the Pac12.

The Big12 is to far away IMO for they would be on somewhat of an island, but if West Virginia is able to succeed then so should Boise playing with their closes member being thousands of miles away.

David St burner account?

No. This makes too much sense. lol

The part about telling Cal and Stanford to “stfu” or the part about BSU increasing their media payout?

The part I've bolded. (I forgot about the other part.)

The commissioner said that academic standing is something all of the Pac presidents consider. It’s not the only thing, but it is important enough of a consideration. So it’s not just Cal and Stanford.

Boise
Washington
Oregon
Idaho
Cal
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Colorado
Utah
BYU
Nevada
Wyoming
Nevada

(07-23-2023 11:59 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  They pretend it isn't, but the actual most in-state interest is generated by an annual game with Idaho. However, If we start doing bodybag games with them on the blue turf while we're an FCS team I will picket our president and AD's houses.

Your point regarding Idaho is absolutely true. It is down years for the Broncos in particular when this will be more intensely felt. UI and BSU provided each other guaranteed sell outs in major sports, was a vitriolic rivalry that involved every region of the state, and created interest in minor sports. In my view that will likely never be replicated. However, unless UI decides to alter course (or BSU decides to drop down as well) I cannot see a football rivalry being renewed in a manner which would be so lopsided (but I never discount the possibility of an ignorant decision from a university administrator). It is my fervent hope that your new BB coach will match the promise of the beautiful new arena and the BB H&H series will be renewed.

To the OP, any ideal conference for BSU (which in not the ideal conference for many of the teams I might suggest) would include BYU, Fresno, Nevada, Wyoming, USU, OSU, and WSU. Throw in an FBS Montana and UI and you have a tight regional conference with historic rivalries. It is not likely to happen and most BSU fans would disagree with me.

(07-24-2023 09:42 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-24-2023 08:09 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2023 08:07 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 09:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 10:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  David St burner account?

No. This makes too much sense. lol

The part about telling Cal and Stanford to “stfu” or the part about BSU increasing their media payout?

The part I've bolded. (I forgot about the other part.)

The commissioner said that academic standing is something all of the Pac presidents consider. It’s not the only thing, but it is important enough of a consideration. So it’s not just Cal and Stanford.

And I get that. But at some point, they being the PAC-12 (10?) need to do what’s best for the league athletically and add both Boise State and San Diego State. Boise State has proven they can compete with P5 schools on the field in the last two decades (though they have fallen off a bit recently) and SDSU helps get them back (somewhat) into SoCal. (This also assumes that everyone currently in the PAC stays put, of course.)

(07-24-2023 11:16 AM)Bronco85 Wrote:  Your point regarding Idaho is absolutely true. It is down years for the Broncos in particular when this will be more intensely felt. UI and BSU provided each other guaranteed sell outs in major sports, was a vitriolic rivalry that involved every region of the state, and created interest in minor sports. In my view that will likely never be replicated. However, unless UI decides to alter course (or BSU decides to drop down as well) I cannot see a football rivalry being renewed in a manner which would be so lopsided (but I never discount the possibility of an ignorant decision from a university administrator). It is my fervent hope that your new BB coach will match the promise of the beautiful new arena and the BB H&H series will be renewed.

To the OP, any ideal conference for BSU (which in not the ideal conference for many of the teams I might suggest) would include BYU, Fresno, Nevada, Wyoming, USU, OSU, and WSU. Throw in an FBS Montana and UI and you have a tight regional conference with historic rivalries. It is not likely to happen and most BSU fans would disagree with me.

Good to see my favorite Bronco here. I'm an optimist about the general direction at Idaho for the first time in...ever, I guess. First time in my memory we've had our president, AD, football and MBB coaching roles all filled by seemingly competent people (MBB coach is new but promising).

Also, that's the perfect conference.

The Big Sky Conference
Idaho
Boise State
Idaho State
Montana
Montana State
Nevada
Weber State
Northern Arizona
Sacramento State
Eastern Washington

(07-23-2023 10:43 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The Pac12 or whatever they call it these days is the ideal conference for them. The academic snobbery of schools like Stanford and California should be told to STFU. Boise would be an addition that would enhance their inventory to attract a better media deal not to mention they have their own deal now that would have to be reworked within the Pac12.

The Big12 is to far away IMO for they would be on somewhat of an island, but if West Virginia is able to succeed then so should Boise playing with their closes member being thousands of miles away.

BYU is about 382 miles from Boise per Google maps. When West Virginia first joined the Big XII, the nearest conference rival was Iowa State, approximately 820 miles away. Since then, Cincinnati, approximately 309 miles away, has joined.

(07-24-2023 05:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The Big Sky Conference
Idaho
Boise State
Idaho State
Montana
Montana State
Nevada
Weber State
Northern Arizona
Sacramento State
Eastern Washington

It looks like you put the band back together from the 1987 to 1995 Big Sky and added Sac State. You dropped PSU who like Sac joined the BSC from D2 in 1996. You also dropped the football only schools Cal Poly and Davis (I presume) and UNC (whose facilities, attendance, location, and budget scream mid level D2). You may not have answered the OP, but you have described the ideal conference for the Lumberjacks.

(07-24-2023 05:09 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(07-24-2023 11:16 AM)Bronco85 Wrote:  Your point regarding Idaho is absolutely true. It is down years for the Broncos in particular when this will be more intensely felt. UI and BSU provided each other guaranteed sell outs in major sports, was a vitriolic rivalry that involved every region of the state, and created interest in minor sports. In my view that will likely never be replicated. However, unless UI decides to alter course (or BSU decides to drop down as well) I cannot see a football rivalry being renewed in a manner which would be so lopsided (but I never discount the possibility of an ignorant decision from a university administrator). It is my fervent hope that your new BB coach will match the promise of the beautiful new arena and the BB H&H series will be renewed.

To the OP, any ideal conference for BSU (which in not the ideal conference for many of the teams I might suggest) would include BYU, Fresno, Nevada, Wyoming, USU, OSU, and WSU. Throw in an FBS Montana and UI and you have a tight regional conference with historic rivalries. It is not likely to happen and most BSU fans would disagree with me.

Good to see my favorite Bronco here. I'm an optimist about the general direction at Idaho for the first time in...ever, I guess. First time in my memory we've had our president, AD, football and MBB coaching roles all filled by seemingly competent people (MBB coach is new but promising).

Also, that's the perfect conference.

(07-25-2023 03:25 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  

(07-24-2023 05:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The Big Sky Conference
Idaho
Boise State
Idaho State
Montana
Montana State
Nevada
Weber State
Northern Arizona
Sacramento State
Eastern Washington

It looks like you put the band back together from the 1987 to 1995 Big Sky and added Sac State. You dropped PSU who like Sac joined the BSC from D2 in 1996. You also dropped the football only schools Cal Poly and Davis (I presume) and UNC (whose facilities, attendance, location, and budget scream mid level D2). You may not have answered the OP, but you have described the ideal conference for the Lumberjacks.

Pretty much

Kept Sac State since that is California access, and they have a robust Athletic Department. UNC needs to go to the Summit.

Portland can stay or go, but they need to invest more in their program.

This would be an all-sports league - the two CA schools could still be football members.



As for ideal for NAU?

NAU
San Diego State
Nevada
UNLV
UNM
NMSU
Colorado State
Utah State
Fresno State
Boise State
Gonzaga
St. Mary's