(07-20-2023 02:13 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:03 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 12:47 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Sounds like the Dems are behaving exactly as embarrassingly as expected. One of the many reasons I'm basically politically homeless and likely to remain that way for a really long time.

Why do you equate your worth as an American with some political party?

I don't, but I'd like to have a party that's capable of winning elections that shares my values in any way. Right now of the 2 major parties it's not the "lesser of 2 evils" it's a choice between the evil party that's honest about opposing everything I believe in or the evil party that pays lip service to a few of the things I believe in but is the bigger impediment to actually accomplishing any of the things I support. Those are my current choices unfortunately.

If only there were a political outsider that would fight against the garbage in DC.

Damn, when did we last see that??

(07-20-2023 02:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:24 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:13 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:03 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why do you equate your worth as an American with some political party?

I don't, but I'd like to have a party that's capable of winning elections that shares my values in any way. Right now of the 2 major parties it's not the "lesser of 2 evils" it's a choice between the evil party that's honest about opposing everything I believe in or the evil party that pays lip service to a few of the things I believe in but is the bigger impediment to actually accomplishing any of the things I support. Those are my current choices unfortunately.

If only there were a political outsider that would fight against the garbage in DC.

If only that political outsider wasn't openly hostile to essentially all of my political beliefs and actually cared more about getting rid of the swamp creatures on both sides than just keeping around whoever kissed his arse the most.

So, elect another swamp creature. Makes sense.

And, which of his main policies are "openly hostile" to your beliefs? Fixing the border/immigration? Being tough on China? An all of the above energy policy? Bringing manufacturing back to the US? Getting out of stupid foreign wars? Putting an end to CRT/DEI in schools & businesses? America First?

You're on a roll.

As if we needed additional proof that yes Virginia, they do ultimately eat their own. Kennedy is as close to a moderate democrat as exists today and the far left lunatics can't tolerate a voice of reason shining a light on their shadiness.

On my cable provider, the C-Span feed had no sound for the entire RFK testimony both live and in ALL replays of it all afternoon and all night. Even the 2 AM repay still had no sound for the entire thing.

(07-21-2023 06:33 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  On my cable provider, the C-Span feed had no sound for the entire RFK testimony both live and in ALL replays of it all afternoon and all night. Even the 2 AM repay still had no sound for the entire thing.

But you can find him with audio on Youtube - so fortunately he's not been censored completely.

(07-21-2023 06:53 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 06:33 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  On my cable provider, the C-Span feed had no sound for the entire RFK testimony both live and in ALL replays of it all afternoon and all night. Even the 2 AM repay still had no sound for the entire thing.

But you can find him with audio on Youtube - so fortunately he's not been censored completely.

Well duh, but that's how censorship works in America.

You can't fully censor anyone, but you can partially. Kinda how the MSM just ignores stories that hurt the dems.

Those stories are still out there, but they do manage to slow and limit the spread of information. You end up with millions of people who never hear unapproved stories or facts.

(07-20-2023 02:55 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:24 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:13 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  If only there were a political outsider that would fight against the garbage in DC.

If only that political outsider wasn't openly hostile to essentially all of my political beliefs and actually cared more about getting rid of the swamp creatures on both sides than just keeping around whoever kissed his arse the most.

So, elect another swamp creature. Makes sense.

And, which of his main policies are "openly hostile" to your beliefs? Fixing the border/immigration? Being tough on China? An all of the above energy policy? Bringing manufacturing back to the US? Getting out of stupid foreign wars? Putting an end to CRT/DEI in schools & businesses? America First?

Trump the candidate in 2016 had some policy positions (not all the ones you listed) that I didn't find that objectionable, which combined with finding Hillary obscenely objectionable contributed to me voting 3rd party. Trump the President's biggest accomplishments were the largest corporate tax bailout in history and installing a bunch of lifetime appointed judges who forget my objections to their social policy but the biggest bunch of pro corporate bosses over workers stooges in the history of time. He didn't even actually get us out of Afghanistan, Slow Biden did. He governed 99% like a traditional GOP president, just with mean tweets. The mean tweets were the highlight of his presidency for me.

So, the reason you'll vote for a Swamp Creature over Trump is because Trump did a big corporate tax cut, appointed conservative judges, and made mean tweets.

Got it.

The reasons I won't vote for Trump (didn't say I'm voting for a swamp creature I'll probably vote 3rd party again) is because he governed essentially like every other conservative and the few places where he broke with conservative orthodox positions in rhetoric that I found interesting were the ones he ditched because he's not ideologically committed to anything and the swamp creatures on the right that will surround him and any GOP president absolutely are ideologically committed to things I hate. The mean tweets had nothing to do with why I didn't and won't vote for him, like I said him triggering the libs and making people's heads explode was far and away the highlight of his presidency for me.

The first 2 things you listed are good enough for me to not vote for someone. Big corporate tax cut leading to the largest upward transfer of wealth in a long history of upward transfers of wealth, and the corporate friendly conservative justices who listen forget Roe or AA or any of that stuff a completely not talked about ruling which is nightmarish was they ruled that companies can sue unions over damages incurred from going on strike. This is the stuff that bothers me far more than the social issues nonsense. This is they type of case that's far more harmful than sending abortion back to the states or trying to end race based school admissions, and this is what these Federalist Society judges are actually ideologically committed to. They use the social issues to get the notoriety and name value to get the positions, but this is exactly the types of things they are fundamentally committed to while they'll consistently "go soft" on the social issues from time to time. They never go soft on questions of workers power vs the bosses power.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7eejg/s...f-striking

(07-21-2023 07:23 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 06:53 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 06:33 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  On my cable provider, the C-Span feed had no sound for the entire RFK testimony both live and in ALL replays of it all afternoon and all night. Even the 2 AM repay still had no sound for the entire thing.

But you can find him with audio on Youtube - so fortunately he's not been censored completely.

Well duh, but that's how censorship works in America.

You can't fully censor anyone, but you can partially. Kinda how the MSM just ignores stories that hurt the dems.

Those stories are still out there, but they do manage to slow and limit the spread of information. You end up with millions of people who never hear unapproved stories or facts.

It's a process. Decades ago it would be a lot easier to suppress info. No doubt it has been - a lot of it. The only difference is we are now aware of it.

Been reading wayyy to many comments on social that DWS and Stacey Plaskett were “brilliant” and “strong” yesterday. At first I thought this was just social media being social media but first thing this morning a co-worker said it as well. How anyone can watch this hearing and come away with the belief that those two were the sane voice in the room is unfathomable. This country is effed. We are going to get more Leftism, not less unfortunately.

(07-21-2023 07:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Been reading wayyy to many comments on social that DWS and Stacey Plaskett were “brilliant” and “strong” yesterday. At first I thought this was just social media being social media but first thing this morning a co-worker said it as well. How anyone can watch this hearing and come away with the belief that those two were the sane voice in the room is unfathomable. This country is effed. We are going to get more Leftism, not less unfortunately.

We are going to get more of the brand of "leftism" that I despise I agree. The brand of leftism that is just fine with allowing corporations to have as much power as possible as long as they signal they are on the correct side of the lefts social issues and trying to censor speech of anyone who descents with that. In terms of any economic leftism we aren't getting anymore of that.

(07-21-2023 07:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 07:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Been reading wayyy to many comments on social that DWS and Stacey Plaskett were “brilliant” and “strong” yesterday. At first I thought this was just social media being social media but first thing this morning a co-worker said it as well. How anyone can watch this hearing and come away with the belief that those two were the sane voice in the room is unfathomable. This country is effed. We are going to get more Leftism, not less unfortunately.

We are going to get more of the brand of "leftism" that I despise I agree. The brand of leftism that is just fine with allowing corporations to have as much power as possible as long as they signal they are on the correct side of the lefts social issues and trying to censor speech of anyone who descents with that. In terms of any economic leftism we aren't getting anymore of that.

I don’t disagree it’s corporate leftism. I have this conversation with my socialist sister all the time. The Democrat Party is no more noble than the establishment Republican Party. In fact, in many ways they are the same. Both are in bed with big pharma and want war. Everything else is just nice talking points to fire up their bases.

(07-21-2023 07:24 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:55 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:24 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If only that political outsider wasn't openly hostile to essentially all of my political beliefs and actually cared more about getting rid of the swamp creatures on both sides than just keeping around whoever kissed his arse the most.

So, elect another swamp creature. Makes sense.

And, which of his main policies are "openly hostile" to your beliefs? Fixing the border/immigration? Being tough on China? An all of the above energy policy? Bringing manufacturing back to the US? Getting out of stupid foreign wars? Putting an end to CRT/DEI in schools & businesses? America First?

Trump the candidate in 2016 had some policy positions (not all the ones you listed) that I didn't find that objectionable, which combined with finding Hillary obscenely objectionable contributed to me voting 3rd party. Trump the President's biggest accomplishments were the largest corporate tax bailout in history and installing a bunch of lifetime appointed judges who forget my objections to their social policy but the biggest bunch of pro corporate bosses over workers stooges in the history of time. He didn't even actually get us out of Afghanistan, Slow Biden did. He governed 99% like a traditional GOP president, just with mean tweets. The mean tweets were the highlight of his presidency for me.

So, the reason you'll vote for a Swamp Creature over Trump is because Trump did a big corporate tax cut, appointed conservative judges, and made mean tweets.

Got it.

The first 2 things you listed are good enough for me to not vote for someone. Big corporate tax cut leading to the largest upward transfer of wealth in a long history of upward transfers of wealth

So, you're ok with transferring money from one group to another, as long as the transfer is the direction that you endorse. And, you also seem to be inferring that Trump's tax cut was unique and that Dems would never do such a thing, to benefit their wealthy benefactors. Which is laughable.

You seem like a nice enough fella, but your anti-Trump logic seems awfully flimsy to me. But, maybe that's just me. I look at what was happening prior to the Fauci Virus and it sure seemed like the dude was making things better. At least, as good as he could do, with every facet of government and media doing everything in their power to cripple his Presidency. Imagine what he might have been able to do if he didn't have everyone trying to bring him down...

(07-21-2023 09:36 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 07:24 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:55 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 02:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  So, elect another swamp creature. Makes sense.

And, which of his main policies are "openly hostile" to your beliefs? Fixing the border/immigration? Being tough on China? An all of the above energy policy? Bringing manufacturing back to the US? Getting out of stupid foreign wars? Putting an end to CRT/DEI in schools & businesses? America First?

Trump the candidate in 2016 had some policy positions (not all the ones you listed) that I didn't find that objectionable, which combined with finding Hillary obscenely objectionable contributed to me voting 3rd party. Trump the President's biggest accomplishments were the largest corporate tax bailout in history and installing a bunch of lifetime appointed judges who forget my objections to their social policy but the biggest bunch of pro corporate bosses over workers stooges in the history of time. He didn't even actually get us out of Afghanistan, Slow Biden did. He governed 99% like a traditional GOP president, just with mean tweets. The mean tweets were the highlight of his presidency for me.

So, the reason you'll vote for a Swamp Creature over Trump is because Trump did a big corporate tax cut, appointed conservative judges, and made mean tweets.

Got it.

The first 2 things you listed are good enough for me to not vote for someone. Big corporate tax cut leading to the largest upward transfer of wealth in a long history of upward transfers of wealth

So, you're ok with transferring money from one group to another, as long as the transfer is the direction that you endorse. And, you also seem to be inferring that Trump's tax cut was unique and that Dems would never do such a thing, to benefit their wealthy benefactors. Which is laughable.

You seem like a nice enough fella, but your anti-Trump logic seems awfully flimsy to me. But, maybe that's just me. I look at what was happening prior to the Fauci Virus and it sure seemed like the dude was making things better. At least, as good as he could do, with every facet of government and media doing everything in their power to cripple his Presidency. Imagine what he might have been able to do if he didn't have everyone trying to bring him down...

You are highlighting reasons I'm not a Dem anymore, because they don't even pretend to be the pro working class, pro union, anti big corporation party anymore. They never lived up to what they pretended to be, but now they are officially just the woke corporate party.

(07-21-2023 08:20 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 07:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 07:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Been reading wayyy to many comments on social that DWS and Stacey Plaskett were “brilliant” and “strong” yesterday. At first I thought this was just social media being social media but first thing this morning a co-worker said it as well. How anyone can watch this hearing and come away with the belief that those two were the sane voice in the room is unfathomable. This country is effed. We are going to get more Leftism, not less unfortunately.

We are going to get more of the brand of "leftism" that I despise I agree. The brand of leftism that is just fine with allowing corporations to have as much power as possible as long as they signal they are on the correct side of the lefts social issues and trying to censor speech of anyone who descents with that. In terms of any economic leftism we aren't getting anymore of that.

I don’t disagree it’s corporate leftism. I have this conversation with my socialist sister all the time. The Democrat Party is no more noble than the establishment Republican Party. In fact, in many ways they are the same. Both are in bed with big pharma and want war. Everything else is just nice talking points to fire up their bases.

Exactly. It's why I actually consider the Dems the far bigger enemy and hinderance to anything I want to be accomplished. Of course the GOP doesn't support it, but they openly don't support it that's baked in. The Dems fake support left economic policy on paper but sabotage even the mildest attempts to enact any of it. The GOP didn't kill any and all discussion of Medicare for All, the Dems did that by cheating to get Biden the nomination on his public option platform that I'm not sure he's mentioned once since being elected despite swearing up and down it was the more reasonable option that could be accomplished quickly on his watch. I'm not naïve, the reality was neither a public option or M4A were going anywhere without over 60 Dem senators or eliminating the filibuster, but for some reason he sold that a public option was something simple he could do immediately. LOL at that nonsense, same as the $15 minimum wage he wasn't actually committed to that. When the parliamentarian said nah we can't include that in the Covid relief bill instead of just firing them and doing it anyway same as the GOP did when the parliamentarian didn't agree with the Bush tax cuts. Biden tried to pretend his hands were tied, they weren't tied he just didn't actually want to do it. Screw the Dems.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/p...6c033207c/